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p.3 #1 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

I agree that it doesn't makes much sense to compare details of a blurred shot, and it is more like comparing IS vs no IS. While the tester might need to rephrase his point but I think the his point is valid. Every camera has a low light limit, and from his testing G9's appeared to be lower than F31fd's for still subjects.

Jan 06, 2008 at 02:11 PM

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p.3 #2 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Interesting test. Thanks a lot. Anybody care to hazard a guess as to which camera is going to be better for shooting people in low light?

Jan 09, 2008 at 10:41 AM

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p.3 #3 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

bias_hjorth wrote:
Thanks for the test although to me this is more of a how slow can you go with each camera rather than a test of image quality since F31 iso 800 and 1600 shot are shaken and blurred.

"As you can see, the G9 resolves far more detail at the hand holding limit, even with the grainy output at ISO 800. The good news is, even though there is visible noise at 100%, "

How can you test image quality in this case when the F31 shot is shaken and blurred?

Because I shoot mostly still subjects (and in dark light with a P&S, if I'm shooting people, I'll probably just use the flash, since it's likely a snapshot, not an artistic outing), and I rarely carry a pocket tripod when I have my P&S. If I'm out for solely photographic purposes, I have my 30D with me. What's important to me is this: which camera can I get a usable shot with in the lowest light. IS / lens speed / ISO all are a part of that equation. The fact is, the G9 is better at getting me the shots I want in the light I need.

Take this for example...walking home after the football game, with no tripod, just the G9 in my pocket, and I took this shot at ISO 100, because I was able to semi-brace the camera (but not real securely), and this is at 0.8 seconds....no POSSIBLE way this shot is sharp with the F31 at ISO 100...I'd need probably 400 or 800,and at that point, the image quality is nowhere near the G9. (I also prefer the G9's noise characteristic...the F31's is too painterly and processed in my opinion, but that's personal preference).

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Jan 09, 2008 at 11:39 AM

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p.3 #4 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Why can't I see the pictures? Anybody has an idea?

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Jan 09, 2008 at 03:10 PM

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p.3 #5 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Is your work blocking my site for whatever reason? They're still there.

Jan 09, 2008 at 08:37 PM

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p.3 #6 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Indeed my firewall blocks several sites but that is not the case. It's the picture I can not see. Not a site I can not access.

I have XP and IE6. Is it possible that I need to adjust something in Tools -> Internet options?

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Jan 10, 2008 at 08:16 AM

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p.3 #7 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Right...but the pictures are all linked from my website, so if your firewall is blocking my website, the pictures will be blocked.

All I know is, they are still there, I can see them at home and at work (and my server is located in California, so if I can see them it's no different than anyone else), and everyone else can see them, so I'm betting on a firewall blockage.

Can you go directly to my website? ( http://www.jordansteele.com )

Jan 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

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p.3 #8 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

It seems that this is indeed the culprit…

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Jan 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

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p.3 #9 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Bummer....it's not like I have anything bad on there either...just nature, architecture, macro, and the occasional (clothed) people shot.

And you can't even see my avatar.

(If you care, it's a square cropped version of this shot here.) Assuming you can get to BetterPhoto.com.

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Jan 10, 2008 at 10:32 AM

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p.3 #10 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Very nice picture.

I'll try to access your site from my home later as this is very interesting. I have the F30 and it's high ISO results fair well even against the 1D.

http://d-spot.co.il/forum/index.php?showtopic=131685

And as the 1D fairs well against the 40D….

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/594170

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Jan 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM

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p.3 #11 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Well, ISO for ISO, the F31 was better from a pure noise perspective (though I never liked the Fuji's noise characteristic...it looks too processed to me.) The faster lens and IS, though, allow for hand holding still subjects at much lower ISOs with the G9, which makes a huge difference in the shots you can get in those situations. (Plus the controls are a LOT better on the G9.) The F31 is certainly a more pocketable camera...it's significantly smaller.

Jan 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

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p.3 #12 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

The main user of the F30 is my wife and I don't think she'll approve a G9 size camera. I am still looking for a similar sized P&S, with the same high ISO performance but with a wider lens and IS.

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Yakim.

Jan 10, 2008 at 11:22 AM

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p.3 #13 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

I've just seen the pictures. Very interesting. Indeed I wish the F30 would have IS.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Jan 11, 2008 at 10:13 PM

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p.3 #14 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Yakim Peled wrote:
The main user of the F30 is my wife and I don't think she'll approve a G9 size camera. I am still looking for a similar sized P&S, with the same high ISO performance but with a wider lens and IS.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

I'd like a slightly smaller (flatter) camera myself, preferably with a larger sensor, but it has to shoot raw and have a good control layout!
Jordan, nice practical comparison. Definitely worth including such threads in this board, since it relates directly to the search by DSLR users for compatible, complementary, pocketable cameras to ALWAYS have with us.

Jan 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM

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p.3 #15 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

paulhodson wrote:
Still have a feeling that a small (?) Canon DSLR (perhaps secondhand so less worry about damage/loss etc) plus the 18-55 kit lens would make a reasonable compromise for a P&S and give hugely better results

And yes - I do realise it is still a lot bigger -

I had 400D and found it too large as an always-with-me camera. Now I have been carrying G9 in my briefcase for a few months, and a pocket tripod as well. The G9 is quite heavy, but nevertheless small enough to keep in a pocket of my jacket or trousers.

Images from G9 in less-than-daylight conditions are not equally brilliant as from 400D, but with G9 speeds like 1/4 s and ISO 200 work decently for handholding in low light. With a DSLR and IS, I need about 1/13 s for handheld images at close-to-normal focal lengths. Not surpring at all - it approximately matches the difference in true focal length.

Jan 12, 2008 at 09:38 PM

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p.3 #16 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

Great job testing.

This is the BEST place to put your post since many DSLR Canon owners look into the G9 for their PS camera.

Ignor the complainers.

:0)

Jan 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM

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p.3 #17 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

fotografur wrote:
Great job testing.

This is the BEST place to put your post since many DSLR Canon owners look into the G9 for their PS camera.

Ignor the complainers.

:0)
I know I did

But I wouldn't be one to recommend the G7 or G9 for low light photography. It works well as a wide to mid telephoto when I have the 100-400 on the 1D.
John

Jan 12, 2008 at 10:34 PM

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p.3 #18 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

brainiac wrote:
Interesting test. Thanks a lot. Anybody care to hazard a guess as to which camera is going to be better for shooting people in low light?

G9. Here's an example:

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Jan 12, 2008 at 10:38 PM

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p.3 #19 · WOW! G9 Trounces F31fd.

brainiac wrote:
Interesting test. Thanks a lot. Anybody care to hazard a guess as to which camera is going to be better for shooting people in low light?

Here's another example:

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Jan 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM

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