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p.3762 #1 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Gosh, Matt, that really brings this tragedy to a personal level. I hope you forgive my analyzing the video; we pilots tend to do that, not to be ghoulish but to try and learn something we can use to save our own hides the next time we go up.

At any rate, I'm sorry you have to live with the bad memories, to go with the good.

[edit for TOPP. I'm on my iPad so the selection is limited...and you've already seen most of them ]






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Jun 23, 2013 at 04:48 PM
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p.3762 #2 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


stevez wrote:
Gosh, Matt, that really brings this tragedy to a personal level. I hope you forgive my analyzing the video; we pilots tend to do that, not to be ghoulish but to try and learn something we can use to save our own hides the next time we go up.

At any rate, I'm sorry you have to live with the bad memories, to go with the good.


Nothing to forgive, I too looked at a few videos and wondered what could have gone wrong. I'm not a pilot but I have flown R/C sailplanes for a long time and certainly have enough knowledge to be dangerous. You can learn from others mistakes but in this case even though I did not know them well it made what was a tragic event to witness just that much harder to move on from.



Jun 23, 2013 at 05:20 PM
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p.3762 #3 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Dear Matt,

What a wonderful experience you enjoyed with them earlier, and what a stark contrast in conclusion. My heart goes out to you. None of you will be "over" it any time soon. The mind is a funny thing, Tony could tell us much more about how it works in these situations, and how it parses what it needs to so we can cope.

You aren't going to feel normal for awhile, don't try to. Yesterday as I walked out of the hangar I looked up at Glenn's picture, talked idiotically to him for about five minutes, put the door down and drove away. I still haven't fully processed the loss, maybe never will. And Sheila and I have lost family in a variety of terrible ways, so we're not strangers to loss. It just doesn't get any easier.

FWIW, I think Zim's analysis, and mine are pretty accurate. Lot's of little factors just lined up at the wrong time, the wing stalled and that was it. I've said it a number of times, to survive in the air show business you have to be at 110% of your best, every time, and that is humanly impossible. When I look at the list of my friends, literally the best of the best, they went out at a point where their best just wasn't at the required 110% level that day for whatever reason, and it got them. Some acts like Franklin, Leroy, etc, just kept getting further and further out there in the realm of risk, and pure statistics/odds go into play. You do that long enough, it is going to get you. Yesterday was just one of those flukes where conditions conspired and lined up for a tragedy.

Charlie dies in a landing roll accident, Glenn is lost doing a simple break that he had practiced six times the day before. This is all the stuff that swirls through my head as I raise the hangar door. If it can happen to them...............................Certainly, what they do raises the risk bar to a level I have less than zero interest in approaching. On the other hand, I have lost a number of friends in general aviation shortly after the words, "let me show you this..." were spoken. No one is immune.



Jun 23, 2013 at 06:51 PM
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p.3762 #4 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


I hope what I say below doesn't come across in a bad way, I just have a difficult time expressing my thoughts in matters like these.

Matt, even though this ended in tragedy for Jane and Charlie, and your most vivid memories are of the accident, try to dwell on the enjoyment that you had before the accident. They enjoyed what they were doing and knew the risks involved. Even at that, they enjoyed their work performing.



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Erich just went for a Cobra ride and I may go on a Huey


Jun 23, 2013 at 08:03 PM
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p.3762 #6 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Well said Colin.

Go Laura!!



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p.3762 #7 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


NightOwl Cat wrote:
Erich just went for a Cobra ride and I may go on a Huey



I do hope you go and enjoy it. It was on my weekend list but it kinda got tossed aside.



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Dear Matt,

What a wonderful experience you enjoyed with them earlier, and what a stark contrast in conclusion. My heart goes out to you. None of you will be "over" it any time soon. The mind is a funny thing, Tony could tell us much more about how it works in these situations, and how it parses what it needs to so we can cope.

You aren't going to feel normal for awhile, don't try to. Yesterday as I walked out of the hangar I looked up at Glenn's picture, talked idiotically to him for about five minutes, put the door down
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Thanks for the kind words. Just talking about it is helping me work through it. I'm not usually the type to let these things out in the wild but I just had to get it off my chest.


Here is one part of the happy side of the weekend. My wife took this image shortly after we landed.

Jane of course is on the left, me in the middle and Rock Skowbow who was my pilot.


Group shot by VO Pro 22, on Flickr



Jun 23, 2013 at 09:18 PM
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Colin Giersberg wrote:
I hope what I say below doesn't come across in a bad way, I just have a difficult time expressing my thoughts in matters like these.

Matt, even though this ended in tragedy for Jane and Charlie, and your most vivid memories are of the accident, try to dwell on the enjoyment that you had before the accident. They enjoyed what they were doing and knew the risks involved. Even at that, they enjoyed their work performing.


Colin I'm right with you in the thought expression department, I too have a hard time putting my thoughts down in a coherent way in writing. Hell I have a hard time being coherent in any form Feels good to grin a bit. And speaking of goofy grinning here is a shot of me,again taken by my lovely wife. Jane was acting goofy and looking for a big Thumbs up and a smile for a twitter feed picture. I look like the cat who ate the canary!


Thumbs up. by VO Pro 22, on Flickr


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p.3762 #10 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


What a wonderful memory, and all due to your generosity with your imagery. Well done Matt!


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p.3762 #11 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Here's a memory from Ohio.....................









Jun 23, 2013 at 09:26 PM
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p.3762 #12 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


RTB just outside of Grimes....................... what an evening.







Jun 23, 2013 at 09:42 PM
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Matt, you've got a very nice memory of your trip then. I would have loved to have had a flight like that, but maybe not the acrobatics. The Huey was enough for me, the camera I had with me doesn't have a strap and I was in an outside seat. We wound up doing some jinking over an area about a mile from my house. If I'd have known, I'd have taken a camera with a strap. Luckily the camera stayed with me. I'm not a roller coaster person either. If you were on the left side of the pit, then you probably did see us, as we were on the left side of that wonderful speaker array. I was the one with a manual focus lens, from which the photos I posted earlier were shot with.

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Laura and the rest of the gang that was in Dayton Saturday,

I probably saw some of you on the photo tour and did not even know it. I have been really busy with my life & work and have not spent a lot of time lately looking at all of the fantastic images from you talented folks or taking photos of my own.

After the Indianapolis show got canceled I was very much looking forward to going to Dayton. I was hoping to meet a few of the folks who hang out here but never had the time to check
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I did. . Not much of a roller coaster person, but I made it back to terra firma I just didn't want to see camera and lens tumble out, especially since I would have been driving those roads back home and would have seen the pieces...

JWilsonphoto wrote:
Well said Colin.

Go Laura!!




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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Here's a memory from Ohio.....................



Jim,
This looks like it could have been taken on mission 70 years ago. Nice conversion.

Gero



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p.3762 #16 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Prayers go out to all touched by the Dayton accident. Nothing takes the sting out of such a horrible event as knowledge that someone involved knew Christ as their savior.

We spent our Saturday at a local lake with friends and family. Although it was a long day of paddle boats, fishing, cooking and talking I am thankful for the ability to do so. It was one of those times where you were taught a lesson and didn't know it. Sometimes you just need to be still and listen to what is being said.





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p.3762 #17 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


few from today, before I fall into bed



NightOwl Cat 2013

Wright B Flyer





NightOwl Cat 2013

Michael Goulian





NightOwl Cat 2013

The View From The Huey




Jun 24, 2013 at 02:45 AM
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p.3762 #18 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


JWilsonphoto wrote:
RTB just outside of Grimes....................... what an evening.



Jim, was this Saturday night at the Mustangs and Legends? They ran everyone off about an hour after the show ended and I had to watch you all fly around as we were stuck in traffic.

Lynn


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p.3762 #19 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Hi Lynn,

No, but I have similar images from every evening/dawn at The Gathering as well. That one was from a dusk mission at The Raiders Anniversary a couple of years ago.



Jun 24, 2013 at 04:47 AM
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p.3762 #20 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Dear Geaux,

Man, you said it all my friend. That is it in a nutshell. Thank you for the clarity.



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