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JWilsonphoto wrote:
You're most welcome Nick! Always glad to be a help, but I think you have this nailed. Nice work. Slight tweak here.........


Thank you, Oh Master.

I see a small lateral perspective stretch, with a sliver taken off the left side – which tidies that up nicely. More important is the globally (?) applied local contrast enhancement. (?) That gives everything a more modelled look, and in particular brings out the colour, texture, and patina in the stone work. Fabulous – and a lesson learnt. I can see now that my version is rather too “polite” - very BBC World Service.
BTW, I have seen a lot of other folks work taken at this event and at other times. Apparently I'm the only person who bothered to get the colour balance “right”. Everyone else is apparently quite happy with the tungsten lighting making that wonderful old sandstone look uniformly orange as if from a kids colouring book. Oh well, to each their own.

Thanks again.

Sincerely,

Grasshopper.



Jan 04, 2014 at 04:40 PM
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p.3652 #2 · p.3652 #2 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Don't see many of these about, Las Vegas Sands Group 747SP.




Jan 04, 2014 at 04:49 PM
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p.3652 #3 · p.3652 #3 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


A "panovision-crop" night image of the new Fiji A330 at LAX.







Jan 04, 2014 at 04:49 PM
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p.3652 #4 · p.3652 #4 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


It is my honor Nick, glad you like it.

Mark, your 74 photo should tell every Vegas attendee what their odds are at the tables......



Jan 04, 2014 at 04:56 PM
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p.3652 #5 · p.3652 #5 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


JWilsonphoto wrote:
Hi Mike,

No, interestingly enough, the dealer is one I have never heard of. Competitive has been hounded by Phase One, but they have no interest. My guess is when you're talking that kind of investment, a dealer has lots of money on the shelf, very slow turn over and a thin margin. Why mess with it?

There's no way, with back ups and accessories, you would have 100 grand in the system. If I'm going to invest that kind of money in a camera system, I want to be sold hard by the company, and feel the same level of
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Interesting situation with Phase One. Frankly Jim, with your client base and track record, if they can't convince you – then who on earth are they selling to and for what purpose? Looking from the outside they have a clearly different business model to 'blad – who deliberately made their system closed a few years back and royally ticked off plenty of their customer base in the process. Phase went in the opposite direction and made a point of hooking up with third parties – like Alpha. So I wonder how many potential “clean sheet” customers like you there are out there? Like you said – even a fairly basic professional system is going to run to an amount of cash that would buy more CanNikon kit than I could get in my car. So Phase, 'blad or whoever need to give you tools and information that you can use to convince your customers that the investment has real benefits.
Clearly I'm all wrong on this – I should think Phase, 'blad or whoever should be all over you like a rash. Oh well.



Jan 04, 2014 at 05:13 PM
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p.3652 #6 · p.3652 #6 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Here's another view of the Queen City of the Plains. It's an ironic nickname for a place defined by its proximity to the Rocky Mountains, no?

Stereo-X pair.





Downtown Denver, the Front Range foothills, and the Arapahoe Peaks Wilderness Area




Jan 04, 2014 at 09:08 PM
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p.3652 #7 · p.3652 #7 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Steve,

I know these are 2 separate shots, but the verticals on the left hand side shot are slightly off compared to the right hand side one. Does this affect the Stereo pair effect? I always have difficulty getting the Stereo effect to work.

Mark



Jan 04, 2014 at 09:51 PM
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p.3652 #8 · p.3652 #8 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Mark, I don't think it makes that much difference. I believe the eyes and mind compensate either way. Like you, I noticed the offset in this set as well as in Steve's previous set. The first stereo pair was more subtle on the offset, the second being more noticeable, but not so much that it affects the stereo image.


Jan 04, 2014 at 10:25 PM
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p.3652 #9 · p.3652 #9 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Mark, I didn't see a problem in 3D.

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Jan 04, 2014 at 11:36 PM
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p.3652 #10 · p.3652 #10 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


The thing about stereo views is that they truly are two different photos. I could have tried to crop this pair so the left at right edges of the middle-ground buildings were identical; but then the foreground and the background offsets would be opposite and very noticeable. When I put this pair together, I aligned the upper right corner of that large, light-colored building at the center of both frames, then cropped the two images to the same size before arranging them as a stereo-X pair.

It really makes little difference what point you choose as your 'anchor point' when constructing these pairs: your visual system is quite forgiving and will do whatever it needs to do to make sense of the two images. This allows for a wide latitude in the eye-point offset during capture; the larger the spacing, the more vivid the stereo effect...up to a point. When you start to reach that point you'll find there's a lot of 'visual dissonance' in the stereo view and it makes the viewer uncomfortable.



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p.3652 #11 · p.3652 #11 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


All,

thanks for the explanation. As I can never get the stereo pairs to "merge" when viewing I was interested to hear how that would affect the viewing.



Jan 04, 2014 at 11:51 PM
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p.3652 #12 · p.3652 #12 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Harrier at KLAS.




Jan 04, 2014 at 11:51 PM
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p.3652 #13 · p.3652 #13 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Here's a couple of different stereo-X pairs to illustrate my last post. Both were constructed from the same burst of still images taken while flying at 1000' over Elitch Gardens, an amusement park in downtown Denver. This is the 'Mister Twister' coaster.

The first pair is close to ideal: good 3-D effect, comfortable to view. It consists of frames 0297 and 0300 in a two-second burst at 6fps, so at the speed I was flying, the two frames were taken at an eye point spacing of about 50 feet.

The second pair is a stretch for the old brain: the 3-D effect is considerably more pronounced, but it's quite uncomfortable to view the image because moving your eye around the frame requires more of an adjustment in your eyes' convergence to maintain the illusion. The two frames I used here are 0300 and 0309, so the eye point spacing between the two frames is roughly 150'.





stereo-X pair with eye spacing of 50'







stereo-X pair with 150 feet eye spacing




Jan 05, 2014 at 01:14 AM
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p.3652 #14 · p.3652 #14 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Staggerwing on Final
from Coolidge, AZ Breakfast Fly-In this morning.
1Dx w/500mm f4 II
ISO 100 f5 1/125 .6ND







Jan 05, 2014 at 03:58 AM
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p.3652 #15 · p.3652 #15 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


And a Stearman
(same gear, settings…except f8)




Jan 05, 2014 at 04:00 AM
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p.3652 #16 · p.3652 #16 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


And a Starduster…to complete my biplane trio! There were 3 other bipes but these were the coolest!
same gear and settings as Stearman




Jan 05, 2014 at 04:02 AM
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p.3652 #17 · p.3652 #17 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Good analysis Nick! The verdict on P1 is pending, but I don't know if they have any better sales people than Blad in the final analysis. In the heavy equipment business we had marketing people and we had "order takers". Some people thought that Caterpillar only had order takers because our equipment was so superior to the competition. They were, of course, mistaken. Our equipment was superior, but it was also 60% more expensive than anyone else's. Every once in a while you had a client who just wouldn't consider buying anything that wasn't Cat, in those cases one was an order taker. In most situations, the client needed to be persuaded that there was at least a 60% benefit to choosing our product, so you had to know your stuff and believe in what you were selling.

Hasselblad lost their sales people a long, long time ago. Like many companies, they read and believed too much of their own press. When Rob Morgan (my rep) and Ernst Wildi faded from the scene, all that was left seemed to be people waiting around to do you a favor and let you buy their product. Anyone in sales knows that signals the beginning of the end. Certainly Blad doing that closed system thing was more evidence of an increasingly unmerited arrogance, mixed with a blatant disregard for the client's needs. More of, "we're Hasselblad, be happy we will even speak with you". I'm a good example, for decades I had five or six bodies, a dozen 12/24 backs, 20 lenses, accessories out the wazoo. Hasselblad regularly serviced my bodies and backs, mostly preventative maintenance, especially in the backs to prevent that light seal weakness they exhibited. I was very well known in the Hasselblad inner circles. When Rob retired and Professor Ernst left the company, no one ever contacted me again to keep up the relationship. Never got a call to coax me into Hasselblad digital, just dead silence. Few photographers had the breath and depth of their product I did, I would have considered me a sitting duck as a prospect for upgrading. In fact, a few years ago I initiated some dialogue with them and they repeatedly dropped the ball.

We'll see about P1, at these prices I have no intention of jumping in without a lot of confidence that it is the right thing to do, both in the product performance area and the support department. My experience tells me that if you can't get a company excited about selling their product to you, their support staff will be exponentially less interested in you. While I can get myself stoked about a camera that captures 200mb files with 13 stops of dynamic range, looking objectively at my market, my clients are very pleased with the product I produce for them. I constantly over deliver, as does my chosen equipment. Adding medium format digital will be something I do more for myself than for my clients, it's that desire to stretch to the next level of quality. Sure the clients will notice it and hopefully be impressed, but only incrementally. I think most of us here will agree that we strive for the end product we do, largely for our own satisfaction, and I think that is a very honorable motivation. When you go wading out into the surf, you're not doing it to make our jaws drop (certainly we love the accolades from people we respect), but you are doing it to one up your expectations.

The ball is firmly in Phase One's court now. I don't expect any special treatment, just a supplier who is confident in their product, and who is so excited about it, and getting it into the hands of a new client, that they can't wait to tell me about it and demonstrate why I can't go on shooting without one. If they care that much, I'm interested, if they don't, I don't. Weebeesee.

I like your "all over you like a bad rash" approach, it tells people you believe in what your selling. I'm confident in the product I am going to deliver to a client, but to this very day they can see that I am excited and enthusiastic about being able to create that product uniquely for them. That's the clincher, indifference rarely inspires confidence, particularly in a sales situation.

As far as your work, it's beautiful. I hope one of these days I can wade out into the surf with you and create something breathtaking.



Jan 05, 2014 at 04:42 AM
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p.3652 #18 · p.3652 #18 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Wonderful Rob, just wonderful! Would you guys send me a case of that Arizona water?


Jan 05, 2014 at 04:53 AM
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p.3652 #19 · p.3652 #19 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Ha! Thanks Jim! Really appreciate the feedback!



Jan 05, 2014 at 05:11 AM
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p.3652 #20 · p.3652 #20 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


How about one more stereo pair, before I go out and brave the snow and cold? This is particularly successful in 3-D, I think.







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