Home · Register · Search · View Winners · Software · Hosting · Software · Join Upload & Sell

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
Username   Password

  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | City, Street & Architecture | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              3650      
3651
       3652              4307       4308       end
  

Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
  
 
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #1 · p.3651 #1 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Welcome back Grant! That story is going to be playing out all over the country. That's the administrations goal, make it as high profile and painful as possible, then blame the conservatives for it all, and go play golf.


Apr 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Leviathor
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.3651 #2 · p.3651 #2 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Of the 60 US companies with the greatest overseas income in tax havens, if only the 19 that reported their income paid taxes on those earnings the US government would have had an additional $98bn in revenue. Cost of the sequester: $85bn.


Apr 10, 2013 at 01:46 PM
stevezzzz
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #3 · p.3651 #3 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Here's something you don't see every day, either on the ground or from the air: seven elk trotting up from the watering hole where I spotted them, between Happy Jack and Meteor Crater on the northeast flank of the Mogollon Rim. Interestingly, the lead animal is a cow and the rest are bulls.












Apr 10, 2013 at 03:04 PM
Bill Gass
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #4 · p.3651 #4 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


ELK STEAK PLEASE !!!


Apr 10, 2013 at 03:07 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #5 · p.3651 #5 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Leviathor wrote:
Of the 60 US companies with the greatest overseas income in tax havens, if only the 19 that reported their income paid taxes on those earnings the US government would have had an additional $98bn in revenue. Cost of the sequester: $85bn.



While that absolutely should be corrected, our problem isn't taxation, it's wreckless spending and entitlements.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/05/tax-increases-dont-work/1746531/



Apr 10, 2013 at 03:24 PM
msalvetti
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #6 · p.3651 #6 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


What nobody in Congress has the guts to admit (or maybe they aren't smart enough to figure out), is that we're all going to have to make sacrifices to fix the mess we're in, not just the rich.

Whether that's entitlement reform, spending cuts, more taxes (and realistically it probably should be a carefully measured amount of all three), in the end it means everybody is going to have to make do with less for a while. The longer it takes for Congress to get there, the more painful it's going to be.

I think we're back to figuring out a way to put Rodolfo in charge.

Mark



Apr 10, 2013 at 04:29 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #7 · p.3651 #7 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


The front rolled up on the horizon last evening and doused some beautiful light, but the 1DX dealt with it without skipping a beat...........







Apr 10, 2013 at 04:37 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #8 · p.3651 #8 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Roger that Mark! "Measured" isn't in the government's vocabulary. It's going to be very interesting to see how the Bengazi administration handles the situation if North Korea does something very, very stupid. When it was the US and Russia, you always figured no one wanted to commit suicide, but when you introduce crazy to the nuclear mix, all bets are off.


Apr 10, 2013 at 04:43 PM
Leviathor
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.3651 #9 · p.3651 #9 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


JWilsonphoto wrote:
While that absolutely should be corrected, our problem isn't taxation, it's wreckless spending and entitlements.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/05/tax-increases-dont-work/1746531/


I don't blame you for posting a conservative think tank's conservative economic policy even though it has been historically shown to be wrong: it aligns with your beliefs.

Sorry Jim, but our problem is a combination of spending and revenue. What spending needs to be cut we will of course disagree on, and that can be another discussion at another time.

There is actual, practical, historic evidence (not "studies") for decreasing taxes leading to economic hardship on a broad scale. (Twice now in the US to a significant degree: The Great Depression and the recession of 2007. Both saw conservative presidents enact tax reductions on the wealthiest Americans in the years leading up to economic downturns. Both periods in time saw the greatest inequity--by far--amongst Americans.) This is evidence that conservative economists really don't understand their beloved Laffer curve, or are willfully ignorant of how it works. Hey, a sorely-skewed one-sided story from a politician, who'd a thunk?

While the fascist economic principles of Reagan would have been nice were they to work, they don't: they never will in the real world. The same goes for a purely communist economic plan. What is proven, however, is that middle-out growth spurs economies more than any other scenario. Look at China. Their middle class is growing at a fantastic rate, and so is their economy. They're are, of course, not democratically-run (but neither are we). Their wannabe capitalist-communism is kicking the ass of our plutocracy.

Penalizing the poor is also shown not to work. Current austerity measures in Europe right now are hampering the economy. But wait, we've seen this before! A historical magnifying glass on post-WWII Europe shows that austerity in England decimated their economy. The paradox of thrift destroys economies.

If you're going to treat the poor like mules, you will find that carrots are more stimulating than sticks. Especially when they're dying. While "measured response" is in the vocabulary of some congressmen, it's definitely not there for their economics.


Edited on Apr 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM · View previous versions



Apr 10, 2013 at 05:09 PM
Leviathor
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.3651 #10 · p.3651 #10 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


That's another problem with conservative (little "c", not big "C") policy: beliefs. This country wasn't founded on beliefs, it was founded on ideas. Ideas change. Ideas need to change. Beliefs are immutable, stale, and kill billions of people.


Apr 10, 2013 at 05:13 PM
 

Search in Used Dept. 



FlyingPhotog
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.3651 #11 · p.3651 #11 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Be careful throwing the "Great Depression" out there...

That was caused as much by the speculative behavior of "every man" types as it was by the, so called, "Titans" of industry. Now one can argue that there were flaws in "Stock Market as Vegas" but as you say, there are discussions for other times and this is also probably one of those.



Apr 10, 2013 at 05:17 PM
futurshox
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #12 · p.3651 #12 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Yes indeedy. Let's have a plane or two, from Texoma Air Race.





They were filming around the ramp for a TV show about repossessing planes...


They brought in this LearJet especially for filming (don't think it was actually getting repossessed).




Apr 10, 2013 at 05:31 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #13 · p.3651 #13 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Well Leviathor, you lost me at Ronald Reagan being a fascist. The bleeding hearts have thrown trillions at the poor, and amazingly, they are still poor. Trillions at education and our students are still uneducated. Might try expecting something from people for what is taken from one and given to another. Looks like the only thing you and I are likely to come anywhere close to agreeing on is photography.

Thank you Lady Jo for a well placed distractionary post.



Apr 10, 2013 at 06:19 PM
bobl
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.3651 #14 · p.3651 #14 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Interestingly, the lead animal is a cow and the rest are bulls.

Yup, boyz will be boyz



Apr 10, 2013 at 06:43 PM
Jan-Arie
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #15 · p.3651 #15 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Flamethrower




Tornado F3 ZG-793 Firebirds

  Canon EOS 10D    100.0-400.0 mm lens    310mm    f/8.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  




Apr 10, 2013 at 07:01 PM
astrobrian
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #16 · p.3651 #16 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Gorgeous flaming Tornado there!


Apr 10, 2013 at 07:08 PM
Bill Gass
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #17 · p.3651 #17 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


I love TONKA TOYS !
@Jo, I love that show.



Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11 PM
Jan-Arie
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #18 · p.3651 #18 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Dutch Airforce Historic Flight




Spitfire Mk IXc

  Canon EOS 10D    100.0-400.0 mm lens    260mm    f/13.0    1/160s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  




Apr 10, 2013 at 07:15 PM
Leviathor
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.3651 #19 · p.3651 #19 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


FlyingPhotog wrote:
Be careful throwing the "Great Depression" out there...

That was caused as much by the speculative behavior of "every man" types as it was by the, so called, "Titans" of industry. Now one can argue that there were flaws in "Stock Market as Vegas" but as you say, there are discussions for other times and this is also probably one of those.


I agree that the Roaring Twenties were an unchecked "every man" event. New, cheap automobiles. Upswings in resource requirements that were cheap and easy to get. People traveling. The epic urbanization of the US.

Then there were the negative things leading up to the end of the decade: Three Republican administrations that solidified relationships between politics and big business, Teapot Dome, another series of presidents who gave no government support to veterans, concentration of wealth amongst a handful of people, the privatization of tax return information, devastating tariffs, a reduction in taxes on the top tax bracket of 52%, and the implementation of incredibly low interest rates that favored larger institutions and led to a 60% growth in the amount of money in circulation.

These scenarios are exactly like what is happening today, but no one actually listens to history. Paralleling the above with today: I've touched on the concentration of wealth and income inequality that is rampant today.

Vets today in NY and LA wait on average almost TWO YEARS for benefits to kick in, with the rest of the country taking more than a year! This includes medical benefits for PTSD!

Horrid government spending on wars that were started on faulty beliefs will end up costing the US tax payer upwards of 6 TRILLION dollars after interest and demobilization, were we to leave in 2014 (go on and name an "entitlement" program that costs that much, I dare you. Sorry, the Medi-programs don't even come close. Social Security? Nope. Almost forgot about Obamacare. Also nope. I think that covers the biggies. Moving on).

There's never been more corporate money in politics in history, and it has been a downward spiral since 1978. Enter Citizens United to really put a damper on any semblance of equality in politics. What is it, something like 93% of the time the politician with the greater money wins. It's a no-brainer to see that money ruins democracy.

And finally the insurance rates. The biggest banks in the US borrow money at a lower rate, lend out the money at the normal rate, and pocket the profits. The sub-prime abomination allowed people who shouldn't have to bite off more than they could chew. This is identical to the rate disparity from the twenties. This was, most essentially, the "every man" problem from the original point, and, like before, it created a huge bubble that left everyone (except the wealthy) holding the bag when it burst.

JWilsonphoto wrote:
Well Leviathor, you lost me at Ronald Reagan being a fascist. The bleeding hearts have thrown trillions at the poor, and amazingly, they are still poor. Trillions at education and our students are still uneducated. Might try expecting something from people for what is taken from one and given to another. Looks like the only thing you and I are likely to come anywhere close to agreeing on is photography.

Thank you Lady Jo for a well placed distractionary post.


Fascism is the promotion of a strong leader through military might and ethnocentricity. I think everyone would be in agreement that Reagan helped the rich white man more than anyone else, and in doing so he started toppling democracy and progressive ideas by inspiring the next generation of conservative to be so much further right of his original principles that Reagan himself (not zombie Reagan, but 80s Reagan) could not be elected in today's political environment.

This is another impasse of belief and ideals, Jim. I agree that what passes for unemployment and disability needs to be reworked in this country, and the contributors to breaking it, keeping it broke, breaking it more (Reagan, Clinton...) all share responsibility; this is a part of what's keeping the poor, poor. Bigger problems exist in earnings versus productivity, and in the exploitation of the poorest by organizations like Wal-Mart. Ironically, if they cared for their workers, this argument would be a much smaller problem, as health care and minimum wages would actually be provided at a real living wage. And if Wal-Mart were doing it, it would be accepted as the status quo, and politicians would feel pressure to instead give everyone a living wage.

Education is a whole different can of worms, and I will instead blame conservatives for spending trillions to keep people uneducated. The poor and uneducated are easy to lie to about grandeur and getting rich, and the educated aristocrats have a selfish interest to keep "their" money. Everyone else in the middle is fair game, with educated members of society trending toward progressive political stances, and everyone else who is convinced by the lies shilled by Fox voting conservative ideals (the market share of Fox vs election returns are in eerily-good agreement, but that's not evidence). However, to back up my claim and educate you low information voters (we progressives had a good chuckle at this one, believe you me), look at the 2012 election. The top ten best educated states, as measured by population of 25-year-olds who hold college degrees, all voted for Obama. Of the "top ten" least educated states, 90% voted for Romney, with Nevada being the only state in the list to vote for Obama. There are other studies linking education with voting trends. It turns out that educated people educate themselves on the topics at hand as well, going out of their way to research politicians' stances on various topics.

Conservatives don't teach people how to think, they teach people how to follow. They "educate" through church and by bombarding media with misinformation, disinformation, or no information. Politicians at this stage in the game are pretty much all bought, but since they're bought they have to of course defend the positions of those wealthy corporations. This makes the money-takers conservative in the sense that their handlers want to keep making money, and that's by not rocking the boat. This is why issues like minimum wage, gun control, health care, resource management and climate change are all politically taboo. This is also why a significant portion of the country believes in the supernatural: because the actual fascinating stuff that makes people think is never reported, and is never reported to the same degree as the media reports non-news stories. Fascinating news should make you think, it might make you reaffirm your ideas, but it should not reinforce your beliefs.

Don't even bother to bring up the "liberal" media. There's so much corporate backing of media today that the days of any legitimate "liberal media" argument are woefully bygone. Besides, no one who doesn't actually believe that malarkey will be swayed by the argument. In fact, they probably watch Fox News.


Here's a non-inflammatory addition (I hope!):







Edited on Apr 10, 2013 at 10:36 PM · View previous versions



Apr 10, 2013 at 07:30 PM
JWilsonphoto
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.3651 #20 · p.3651 #20 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Alrighty then folks, moving on to something more productive, and less boring to the family here................


Apr 10, 2013 at 07:47 PM
1       2       3              3650      
3651
       3652              4307       4308       end




FM Forums | City, Street & Architecture | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              3650      
3651
       3652              4307       4308       end
    
 

You are not logged in. Login or Register

Username   Password    Retrive password