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p.248 #1 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

jbear2000 wrote:
I agree with you on the B/W - it doesn't set well with me due to the anachronisticness of it. But I thought I'd try it.

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I'm tempted to add some sepia tone, vignetting, scuffs spots and scratches, and then add some subtle paper shadow around half of the edge, in order to make it appear a vintage photo

Dec 01, 2008 at 05:57 PM

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p.248 #2 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Sharing a meal would be great - but no need to spring for the sizable volumes i tend to eat.

Its what this forum is about - no matter what anyone else says!

Dec 01, 2008 at 06:14 PM

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p.248 #3 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Geert - all that might work with a P-38... but just thinking about it with the Raptor gives me the willies, man.

Dec 01, 2008 at 06:17 PM

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p.248 #4 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Kind of old news...: Norway har decided to replace their fleet of F-16:s with F-35.
Kind of big deal considering the size of the country(Norway...).
Here is an older machine from Rygge Air Show 2007:

This image is copyrighted by the owner

Dec 01, 2008 at 06:38 PM

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p.248 #5 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

jbear2000 wrote:
Geert - all that might work with a P-38... but just thinking about it with the Raptor gives me the willies, man.

Think Back To The Future, Jon

It'd be sufficiently tongue-in-cheek.

Dec 01, 2008 at 06:39 PM

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p.248 #6 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

jbear2000 wrote:
Sharing a meal would be great - but no need to spring for the sizable volumes i tend to eat.

Its what this forum is about - no matter what anyone else says!

No problem! I tend to eat more than my share!

Dec 01, 2008 at 07:00 PM

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p.248 #7 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Rodolfo,

Re: the new Nikon. Looks like a great camera, but it was unrealistic to expect it to come in under the 1Ds MKIII in price. From the very first 1D Canon has settled in the $7998.00 groove for all their top of the line pro bodies and they sell every one they make. Nikon would have left lots of money on the table if they came in under that number. Should be a rockin' body though. The 1Ds MKIV is rumored to be in the mid 30 megapixel with a number of the usual improvements in buffer speed, noise reduction, etc. I'm sure it will be street priced at ..............$7,998.00. Even in this economy, my guess is that both Nikon and Canon will continue to have demand outpace production.

By the way, if you weaken, or come into a pile of cash, I can pull some strings and get you one of the first off the line. I have strings in both camps.

Dec 01, 2008 at 07:06 PM

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p.248 #8 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Nice shot misster,

Would love to see the F-35. Get some as soon as you can and post them here...

Dec 01, 2008 at 08:27 PM

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p.248 #9 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Whoa Hoss - take it from me - never buy a brand new model until its been out 6 or 8 months... not even from a reputable manufacturer!

Dec 01, 2008 at 08:28 PM

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p.248 #10 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

futurshox wrote:
However, your hard drives will thank you ;-)

I sure noticed the jump when I changed from a 6MP 10D up to 10/12MP bodies! The pictures got nicer but my discs suddenly got smaller...

Yes, that does happen!

I guess my new 5.5-terabyte array will last longer than I'd expected now. But it's all good... I've got so much hard drive space available, that I've just got to go out and take more pictures to fill it up!

Dec 01, 2008 at 09:16 PM

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p.248 #11 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Atrawick wrote:
Jim,
You didn't discourage me. I'm looking at my options. I would really like to learn more on air2air. Unfortunately in South Alabama theirs no pro's to talk too and not many formation pilots. I do have one formation pilot here on the field and alot of ex airline pilots.

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Mikko,
You have a good point about aircraft to shoot from. All i have access too is 172 and a few twins. I don't imagine going over 120knots with the aircrafts that wants photos. It just depends if these guys want to pay for the second plane and pilot.

Allen, my friend... think bigger. South Alabama may not have access to seasoned air-to-air professionals, but you do!

Here's what you do: explain to your prospective customers how it works, and what is needed for a successful air-to-air engagement. Explain to them that you haven't found the requisite pros locally, and then quote them Jim Wilson rates. You're now perfectly set up: if they're not serious about the investment in safety and professional results, that'll convince them either to toss the idea or to wait until you do have or grow the talent locally. But if they are serious, you can now deliver a safe, professional shoot with a virtual guarantee of great results... just as soon as you find a free spot on Jim's calendar! And I don't know of a better combination of shooter and teacher, do you?

Of course, it works even better if you coordinate with Jim in advance to make sure he's on board with the idea.

Dec 01, 2008 at 09:25 PM

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p.248 #12 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Building on what Rodolfo just said...

as an entrepreneur/business owner having one mindset and remembering what it was like to be an employee and having that mindset - i think maybe it might help to say - think about being a manager of the event instead of the photographer.
Figure out how much it will cost to hire the necessary pro pilots with formation experience - including what it takes to get them to the shoot, rent the photoship, cover expenses including airport fees, fuel - whatever costs go into pulling this thing off, determine if the owners want pics of their planes - or if they want pics of them flying their planes, get quotes for both scenarios from your pro pilots and also figure in what it would cost you to hire a pro A2A photographer for a day - including travel and lodging if necessary.
Then do what all business owners do - sharpen your pencil and see if you can do it for a profit, do it for break-even and get ride along experience, or do it for a loss and a hard lesson in economics.
If it makes financial sense at the end of the day - give your pilot buddies a quote and on signed approval, start looking to hire your pilots and pro shooter. If not - why bother?

If you're going to risk your life and the lives of others - at least make a business of it!

Dec 01, 2008 at 10:09 PM

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p.248 #13 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

I kind of like Rodolfo's train of thought there!

Dec 01, 2008 at 10:28 PM

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p.248 #14 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Seems like I have tons of these shots... where did they all come from?

makes me want to sing "look for, the union label"

Dec 01, 2008 at 10:45 PM

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p.248 #15 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

jbear2000 wrote:
...where did they all come from?

First, there were the dinosaurs. And then they all died and turned into oil...

Dec 01, 2008 at 10:47 PM

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p.248 #16 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Whaaattttt!!!! The dinosaurs are dead

/ waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dec 01, 2008 at 11:08 PM

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p.248 #17 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

musta been a lot of lard assed dinosaurs...

looks like this one died too!

btw - what kind of cat is that in your avatar? 'cause if that's a cheatah - they look different down here!

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Dec 01, 2008 at 11:10 PM

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p.248 #18 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

I like those!!!

Dec 01, 2008 at 11:58 PM

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p.248 #19 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Does Deb know you didn't delete that shot?

Dec 02, 2008 at 03:48 AM

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p.248 #20 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Its sorta funny... you'ld think I'd be in all sorts of trouble taking pictures of strippers... but i agreed I'd only take their picture if they promised not to change their spots... (Cheetah girls...) Deb saw me post this and just shook her head...

Actually I was shooting an Atlanta Thrashers game and shooting stills with a videographer and my friend from CBS Sports who was doing interviews of fans for promo work on an ad campaign for this years TV ads. As we worked the crowd during the break, these girls wanted to be interviewed and have their picture made... of course - being the nice guy that i was and knowing digital film was cheap... and it was in a family setting... i reluctantly said "OK". They posed for a couple shots and the girl on the right gave me a kiss on the cheek - and i didn't even have to give her a dollar. (or whatever you do).

Of course I really heard about it from the videographer and Nicole the CBS announcer, on the way back to the CBS studio... but it was good for a great laugh anyway.
I know it ain't props spinning - but here is another shot and then I'm done!

Dec 02, 2008 at 04:03 AM

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p.248 #21 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Matching colors and a prop that actually spins ... its a full disc too!

Dec 02, 2008 at 04:09 AM

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p.248 #22 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Just watched the Red Bull Air Race World Series on FS Sports. Show was in Rotterdam and won by Paul Bonhomme with Hannes Arch second. First of these I have ever seen and pretty interesting.

Jbear, I like Red.

Grant

Dec 02, 2008 at 06:05 AM

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p.248 #23 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

For every shade of gray... it still comes down to 1s and 0s...

Dec 02, 2008 at 03:02 PM

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p.248 #24 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Hmmm....the mig shots are very nice. Tack sharp.

The last girl in the first pic....is amazing....and it seams like I have see the girl leaning back some place else....and no it is not what you are thinking...

Love the last b&w...but after hearing your thoughts on vignette....I have to say I am a little suprised you used one. I think it works well here....

Dec 02, 2008 at 04:37 PM

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p.248 #25 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

The girls are just eye candy - a nod to the objectivisation of women. When I look at that series - i see a real sadness in their eyes that betrays their smiles. Look closely and you can see it too. But then I've heard people in that profession talk of where they came from and why they thought they had to be there. The lab business back in the 70s and 80s used to have a lot of former "dancers" working in labs... we've employed at least two in our 21 years. Having been a manager for the last 30 years - you hear a lot. There is a sense of compassion for them. I've heard their stories.

I've always said - and said it often enough in the ATL thread - that vignettes aren't something I like to use much and that overused just cheapens the work. If the work can't stand on its own - adding a fake vignette doesn't help it. I also said using natural vignettes - like tree branches or OOF objects can have dramatic effect on a photo - sorta like Leo's little friend Canaan's wonderful shot of the Masters of Mayhem at Pensacola - shot through the OOF obstacles of people in front of him - makes for a better kind of vignette. Not so common or mundane.

All that said - my B/W Conversion of the F-15 does not have a vignette at all - its not a rounding of the corners - it is a fade-frame and while it may be similar in some ways - it is a good bit more effort to accomplish as each side has to be built individually. I started with a vignette - but didn't like it at all -so I kept working, hopefully it improved on an average color image. Thanks for commenting though - it keeps me on my toes!

Dec 02, 2008 at 04:58 PM


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