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p.5 #1 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

That's probably the best example of it I've seen yet.

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p.5 #2 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Was that with or without a filter? Hot or cold environment?

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p.5 #3 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Numfar wrote:

I had exactly the same issue in Alaska in July shooting otters on overcast days at moderate/slow shutter speeds (1/500 -1/2000). Some shots of large floats at f4 or f/5.6, there is nothing in focus at all.

That reminds me of my D60 days when it would provide nothing but soft images.... turned out the sensor was not positioned correctly. Canon ended up adjusting the shims and it was as sharp as a tack from then on.

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p.5 #4 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

jfulton wrote:
Was that with or without a filter? Hot or cold environment?

Thats a perfectly in focus shot of the Chief Engineer who designed the MkIII

. He was a lot more handsome and human looking about 8 months back.

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Dec 13, 2007 at 03:55 AM

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p.5 #5 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Normcar21 wrote:
I had absolutely no issues with ghosting until I got this shot today, clearly a problem exists, thanks much for the heads up!

I really think you need to get that one looked at..... "Who you gonna call?...."

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Dec 13, 2007 at 03:56 AM

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p.5 #6 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Careful, people will start swearing to the fact their seeing a religious figures in the images. The next thing you know it will be reported on the 11 o'clock news and crowds will begin flocking to the holy sites singing songs.

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Dec 13, 2007 at 03:59 AM

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p.5 #7 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

This discussion is starting to get really entertaining. I am sure 'longitudinal spherochromatic aberration' is going to be just as integrated in our vocabulary as 'BIFs' !

I received my 'fixed' mkIII today, and as I wrote in another thread the initial impression I got was that it is a huge improvement. Tried it briefly with the mkIIN this evening (poor light and cold...) and the mkIII was 100% (very) sharp under conditions the mkII really struggled. I will test more this weekend in bright light. I have never noticed the 'ghosting', but I have seen some very strange blur similar to this on my new 40D. Guess it must be LSA

cheers

K

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Dec 13, 2007 at 04:08 AM

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p.5 #8 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Normcar: I shoot birds. Using a newly calibrated 600f4. I will test it more seriously over the weekend (in sunlight I hope), also using the 400f5,6. I also think shooting birds is a whole different thing than running athletes. I seldom exceed 1/4000 shutter (rarely 1/2500 I would say). No way I would use 1/8000 @f2.8 in any circumstance..

K

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p.5 #9 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

After two weeks of unending gray skies, I finally got some sun and a chance to check out my new BD Mark 3 (FW 1.1.3) on its intended subjects. Focus misses were very rare; this was more the norm (100% crop, processed through ACR and CS3; lens was 400/5.6)

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p.5 #10 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Rob Greenstein wrote:
Careful, people will start swearing to the fact their seeing a religious figures in the images. The next thing you know it will be reported on the 11 o'clock news and crowds will begin flocking to the holy sites singing songs.

Yes, but think of what you could sell the pictures for on ebay.

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Dec 13, 2007 at 01:30 PM

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p.5 #11 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Yakim Peled wrote:
My plans to buy the 1D Mk III have been postponed again. I am getting desperate. Will this saga never end?

Canon, a fix is needed ASAP or there will be more black lenses in Beijing that white ones….

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

I feel the same way as Yakim. With 2 1Dmklls, I've been anxiously awaiting the dust to settle on the mark 3 issue. But now I suppose I'm going to wait some more. I really wanted the mark 3 for football, now I'd like it for basketball, but it's just not going to happen until I have confidence it's going to have better AF than my mk 2.

Oh well.....

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Dec 13, 2007 at 01:39 PM

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p.5 #12 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

It will be interesting to see how fast B&H sells out today,,if they do.

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p.5 #13 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

What gets me really irritated is the fact that I was ready to upgrade from my 1Ds2 to the 1Ds3 and all this has put me on hold. I am really dissapointed in Canon for the way they have dealt with the issue. Getty has every right to demand their bodies replaced. Whereas I think a full refund to everyone would be more appropriate. It is just beyond me how they can sell goods that are flawed from the box and do not have to offer a refund. There should be a law for this. At least here in Estonia there is a consumer protection law which states that if something is not as it should in something You bought You are entitled to a fix, then a replacement and then a full refund.

In this situation the end result here would be a refund, because neither a fix nor a replacement can cure the problem. I make a living from photography and I cannot allow my time or money being caught up in situations like this. When I buy a 5000-8000 item I expect it to work straight out of the box with no questions asked.

Now, if that nikon D3 had 21 MP, it would be good bye to Canon.
Besides there have always been issues with Canon when new bodies came out. 1DM2 was soft, so they made a M2N. The Ds models have always been top notch, but this uncertainty that they have created will put the ones looking to buy new gear on hold until someone does the testing. That's outrageous.

Canon should be grateful it has such customers like Rob and Jeff etc, who are willing to take the time and analyze the photos. This should not be the case.
But thank You guys for an insightful thread.

Sven

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p.5 #14 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Gilles
The 1D2 was soft because of the AA filter. It sharpened very well in post. There was no ghosting or AF problems on the magnitude of the 1D3. Yes there were a few issues with lowlight focus that required firmware up to 1.10 before it was fixed. But the AI Servo shot true for most sport shooters. It still performed as well or better than the 1D. The 1D2N also performed allaround slightly better than the 1D2.
Without proof that Canon intentionally released a bad product, I'd say something got pass the QC. It's obviously it's not every camera body because some people are very happy with their 1D3. I unfortunately was not one of them.
What makes you think the Nikon D3 will outperform the 1D3 in similar circumstances? I have the D2X and 1D2N and I prefer the 1D2N for wildlife shooting, better AF=more keepers. Plus the Canon full weather sealing for body AND lens is something I will always pay more for as cheap insurance.
Going back on topic, I've seen this 'ghosting' as well in the 2 1D3 I temporarily owned. The 2nd one , blue dot with 1.1.3 was better than the first one I had. But still inferior to the performance of the 1D2N, as per RG's tests.

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p.5 #15 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Very nice shot, ejmartin.

Edited on Dec 22, 2007 at 07:47 AM

Dec 13, 2007 at 04:58 PM

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p.5 #16 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Has anyone seen this ghosting from the 40D?

I haven't checked any of my images yet but will have a look when I get home.

Presumably if the issue is as a result of the sensor cleaning function it should be present on the 400D, 40D and 1D MK III?

Edited on Dec 22, 2007 at 07:47 AM

Dec 13, 2007 at 05:21 PM

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p.5 #17 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

I have the 40D and had the 400D.

I have close to 5K on the 40D and I am guessing I had around 3K shots on the 400D. No issues ever noted.

Jon

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p.5 #18 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

UA935 wrote:
Has anyone seen this ghosting from the 40D?

I haven't checked any of my images yet but will have a look when I get home.

Presumably if the issue is as a result of the sensor cleaning function it should be present on the 400D, 40D and 1D MK III?

Yes I had that on a 400D I used for several weeks.

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Dec 13, 2007 at 06:06 PM

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p.5 #19 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Well, I just dropped my MkIII off at UPS for overnight to the repair facility. This should be interesting...

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Dec 13, 2007 at 06:14 PM

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p.5 #20 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

has anyone tried to initiate a credit card (visa, mastercard, etc) charge dispute? any success? my credit card policy gives me 120-days to dispute something like this and i'm very tempted to do it. it's worth a shot, non?

EDIT: vendor wants nothing to do with me (i've exceeded the 14-day return/ exchange policy)

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p.5 #21 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

simonella_viru wrote:
has anyone tried to initiate a credit card (visa, mastercard, etc) charge dispute? any success? my credit card policy gives me 120-days to dispute something like this and i'm very tempted to do it. it's worth a shot, non?

EDIT: vendor wants nothing to do with me (i've exceeded the 14-day return/ exchange policy)

If you are having problems with the 1D3 then it is worth a go.

While I haven't had the opportunity to shoot properly with my new 1D3, roll on Saturday, I do believe sooner or later it will get fixed. 7 months has made me somewhat pragmatic in this situation.

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Dec 13, 2007 at 07:08 PM

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p.5 #22 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Alistair Watson wrote:
simonella_viru wrote:
has anyone tried to initiate a credit card (visa, mastercard, etc) charge dispute? any success? my credit card policy gives me 120-days to dispute something like this and i'm very tempted to do it. it's worth a shot, non?

EDIT: vendor wants nothing to do with me (i've exceeded the 14-day return/ exchange policy)

If you are having problems with the 1D3 then it is worth a go.

While I haven't had the opportunity to shoot properly with my new 1D3, roll on Saturday, I do believe sooner or later it will get fixed. 7 months has made me somewhat pragmatic in this situation.

my camera is having definite problems. i'm sorta trying to avoid your situation (perpetual god-like patience) by not exceeding my credit card's 120-day dispute limit. at this juncture, i either choose to stay with the ship and hope for better times. or i cut my losses and try to get my money back. based on all the well-documented history of this problem, i'd rather not take the risk; i choose the latter.

Edited on Dec 22, 2007 at 07:47 AM

Dec 13, 2007 at 07:14 PM

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p.5 #23 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Jeff wrote:
Well, I just dropped my MkIII off at UPS for overnight to the repair facility. This should be interesting...

We all await your results!

Hopefully you live somewhere that will be BRIGHT in the next few weeks.

Edited on Dec 22, 2007 at 07:47 AM

Dec 13, 2007 at 08:19 PM

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p.5 #24 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Jeff, thanks for taking the time to do this. It doesn't answer any questions, but helps identify specific issues that may lead to answers down the road.

Anyway, I just packed up my 1D3. I never expected to keep it that long as I'm not a sports shooter and it was just something to try while I waited for the 1Ds3 to ship (I'm still on the list) but I will miss it. I'm very impressed by the files (they're beautiful!) and if this problem, or the uncertainty wasn't there, I'd absolutely keep the camera. I liked it so much I would have probably dumped my 5d.

I thought about selling the 1D3 (high SN beyond the range, with BD) but since I don't shoot at a high frame rate and didn't want to spend hours reviewing photos for focus errors, I decided to return it (I had 30 days). It may be perfect, I really don't know, but if I keep it for another 6 months and then find out it's got the problem, what then?

I'm really disappointed right now. I've never had any regrets about buying any Canon camera in my life, but now? I don't really feel comfortable buying the 1ds3 (some unknowns and I've decided it's grossly over priced right now, even with 21MP), I sold my 1Ds2, keeping the 1D3 is too much of a crap shoot, the body on my 5d has always been less than adequate (but the files are nice), so I don't know what to do. Canon is giving me no upgrade options that are worth pursuing.,

I wonder how that D3 is working for the other guys. If they nail the exact same shots in the same conditions at the same time, then the 1D3 will have a short history....

I'm bummed......

Edited on Dec 22, 2007 at 07:47 AM

Dec 13, 2007 at 09:53 PM

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p.5 #25 · ['NEW Fix' UPDATE!] - MkIII AF still broken

Jamesf99,

I've only had mine for a week and have not tested it thoroughly. At this point it blows away my D2Xs. James Russell's observations about the D3 really sold me. He is not a Nikon shooter and is not attached to Nikon in any way. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/d3.shtml

Until Nikon introduces a mega pixel monster, I don't think meaningful comparisons to the 1ds3 can be made.

Edited on Dec 22, 2007 at 07:47 AM

Dec 13, 2007 at 10:11 PM


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