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p.1 #1 · Basalt Tripods


Has anyone ever used one of these? Gitzos website is kind of limited on information. I was looking at these or a carbon fiber but I need something thatll hold around 50 pounds. Anyone have any suggestions?


Nov 29, 2007 at 02:42 AM
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p.1 #2 · Basalt Tripods


Fifty pounds

Fifty pounds ain't exactly portable, so the weight of the pod, my thinking, wouldn't be a consideration. Does it have to be basalt as opposed to aluminum? Thassss a lotta weight for a set of legs. Yikes!



Nov 29, 2007 at 09:44 AM
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p.1 #3 · Basalt Tripods


omg I didnt mean to type 50 pounds lmao. Around 15 pounds.


Nov 29, 2007 at 09:48 AM
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p.1 #4 · Basalt Tripods


Aaaah, fifteen pounds.

How do you plan to use the legset? In a studio; out of a car trunk; a two hour hiking expedition; carried into the outback on a two week wilderness trek?

Even fifteen pounds doesn't sound very portable.



Nov 29, 2007 at 09:55 AM
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p.1 #5 · Basalt Tripods


Also, a tip in the meantime: I found the Gitzo PDF catalog (downloadable from the site) to be much clearer and easier to navigate than the website.


Nov 29, 2007 at 10:12 AM
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p.1 #6 · Basalt Tripods


it would be for hiking. 15 pounds is probably an over estimate (I over estimate to be safe) I would be carrying a 5D, a 70-200 2.8L, a 24-702.8L and a 16-35 2.8L and a 580ex. Im sure none of these combinations equal that weight but its good to be too sturdy then not sturdy enough Thanks for the tip about the catalog, Their site is terrible to navigate!


Nov 29, 2007 at 11:12 AM
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p.1 #7 · Basalt Tripods


Their site is terrible, but a 2540 carbon would hold your set up just fine. It's lighter weight than the basalt, and more rigid. I looked at a basalt, but for the $120 price difference, I wasn't that impressed.


Nov 29, 2007 at 11:36 AM
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p.1 #8 · Basalt Tripods


For hiking purposes and the combinations that you suggest, I'd go with a 1540 with column removed and either a BH-40LR II or a BH-25Pro.


Nov 29, 2007 at 12:12 PM
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p.1 #9 · Basalt Tripods


How sturdy is the 1540 with a 5D / 70-200 2.8 combo? I always thought Gitzo recommended the 2xxx series for a 200mm lens? Thanks!


Nov 30, 2007 at 01:28 AM
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p.1 #10 · Basalt Tripods


Quite sturdy.

Gitzo recommends the 1540 up to and through 200mm. From my personal experiences with the 1540, I feel comfortable recommending the 1540 up to and through your lighter 300mm's; 100-300/4.0, 100-400L IS, 300/4.0 IS (non-IS), pro-bodies and bodies w/grip. Where the 1540 comes up short is in blustery conditions; torsional forces. It's a surprisingly rigid legset that for it's lightness, suffers expectedly in the torsional department. In a light breeze, you're good, but blustery conditions, you'll need heavier. For light, portable and compact, it's the gold standard all the rest of the lightweight legsets wish they could be.

Did I mention that I like the 1540? The short of the long story, in real terms, I find that it's a two tripod world.

FWIW, out of fairness, I should mention that if working out of the car trunk or a short mile or two off road while wandering a park, I prefer to work with the much heavier and more stable 1325 (3530/3540). I have a 1325 cause I haven't found either the extra dough or need to upgrade to the 3540. Worth repeating, I like the 1540 for it's light weight and rigid character (travel/hiking pod) but prefer working off the heavier (beefier) and more stable 1325.



Nov 30, 2007 at 09:35 AM
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p.1 #11 · Basalt Tripods


Thanks for the detailed info Beeman!

Sorry to be pestering you with questions, but have you had a chance to try the 1540T? I was wondering how that performed as compared to the 1540.



Dec 01, 2007 at 11:06 AM
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p.1 #12 · Basalt Tripods


"...have you had a chance to try the 1540T?"

No I haven't. When looking to buy the 1540, I looked into the 1540T and for my purposes, it was too unstable (capacity) of a platform and the weight difference between the 1540T with BH-25Pro and a 1540, column removed and replaced with a Kirk FP-100 was but a few ounces/inches.

My opinion, the 1540T is more a specialty item as opposed to a general use item which I consider the 1540 to be.

B&H provided specs below:

1540:
http://tinyurl.com/2wffwl

1540T:
http://tinyurl.com/2wbrkp

1540T
Length: 15.4" (B&H provided spec)
Weight: 2lb 0.0oz (900g) (B&H provided spec)

A few actual specs, measured just now, at the computer desk.

1540:
Length: 22.5" with column removed and replaced with a Kirk FP-100 base plate.
Weight: 2lb 4.6 oz (1037g).

BH-25Pro:
Length: 2.25" (folded length)
Weight: 6.5oz (183g)

1540 + BH-25Pro (total weight) 2lb 11.1oz (1220g) when weighed together.

Carrying capacity of the 1540 (8kg) vs 1540T (4.5kg) is about double which to me equals both more rigid and more versatile; lense selections;16-35L/85L vs 100-300/4.0/100-400L IS in non-blustery conditions.

If you compare personally provided specs with B&H provided specs, it will give you a better idea of what's what and what will work best for you as I find that choices of this nature are a personal choice thingy.

"Thanks for the detailed info..."

Details



Dec 01, 2007 at 12:18 PM
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p.1 #13 · Basalt Tripods


I was kind of curious about the basalt series too.
No comments on the OP's original question?



Dec 01, 2007 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #14 · Basalt Tripods


Very cool. Thanks again.

And this latest post was definitely detailed.



Dec 02, 2007 at 09:10 PM
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p.1 #15 · Basalt Tripods


k7xd wrote:
I was kind of curious about the basalt series too.
No comments on the OP's original question?


Since I seem to be one of the few owners on earth...

I just looked on the Gitzo website for the G-1298 Reporter Basalt Tripod that I own and it’s not listed. But if you want to purchase one they’re in stock (today) at B&H and they’re US$279.95 – which is one of the reasons I bought mine.

About 18 months ago, I was in that phase of tripod evolution where you know you want something better, but your rational mind hasn’t yet come to terms with figures over $500.

Then I walked into a camera shop that had two versions of the Gitzo basalt tripod, with 3-section and 4-section legs. I liked the 4-section for portability, could live with the US$300 I paid (and the 3.5 pounds I would have to carry), and bought it. Considering that Gitzo no longer features this tripod on their website -- and that I’m the satisfied owner of their G0012 Tabletop Tripod which they discontinued -- I’m glad I bought it.

Here are some details…

Gitzo Basalt G-1298
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/360181-REG/Gitzo_G1298_G_1298_Reporter_Basalt_Tripod.html

Weight: 3.45 lbs (1567g)
Folded for carrying: 19” (4-section legs)
Capacity: 12.1 lbs (5.5kg)

Tripod in action

Legs not extended: 17.5”
Legs extended, column down: 47”
Legs extended, column up: 59.5”

Tripod with legs splayed in secondary position

With standard column (hitting the dirt): 16.5”
With short column (guessing a little): 10.5”

I find this tripod a nice combination of height, weight and price – and it even has the visual charm of being nearly black, rather than carbon grey. Like other Gitzos, the centre column reverses and there’s a hook at the end for hanging your bag or spare tire for additional weight and stability.

Then there’s the carrying of the tripod

One of the challenges of tripods for me is finding a way to carry the thing, no matter what its weight. If I don’t have a decent way to carry a tripod, I’ll never do it, no matter how lightweight it is. There’s no getting around the fact that a tripod is an unwieldy device and about as enjoyable to carry as an umbrella on a fine day.

I’m skipping the moody studio shots and going straight for graphic evidence; otherwise, this will never get done.

Bag is the Domke F3 (I think). Tripod is the Gitzo above, but it doesn’t matter for the purposes of suspension. I used braided nylon cord, four lightweight carabiners, and two pre-made web connectors I found in a mountaineering shop (they often have normal-sized carabiners threaded through each end, but you can buy the connectors separately).

The two web connectors are slightly different lengths, because the longer of the two has a slightly larger loop at one end that just fits over the bottom rubber foot of my tripod – but is small enough that it doesn’t go any higher.

To unmount the tripod, it’s easy to slip this loop off, leaving the web connector and two small carabiners dangling from the bag strap. At the other end, you just unclip the carbiner and the web connector stays with the tripod. I unclip it so that both carabiners stay with the camera bag so they’re not knocking around the tripod legs in the wind.

The nice thing about this arrangement is that the tripod hangs in place just above the bag flap (if you want it to ride higher, just use one carabiner; I wanted it just above the bag). The shoulder straps keep it away from your body. You can tuck your arm inside the tripod but over the bag strap for a little security. And you can just pick up the tripod and lift it out of the way if you need to – in practice, however, I just lift up the bag flap and reach in to get what I want – the tripod easily moves out of the way.

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/g9/tripod1.jpg

This shot shows the longer of the two web connectors – the one with the slightly larger loop that fits over the rubber foot of the tripod. Not that it matters, but the loop at the other end where the carabiner fits in is smaller.

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/g9/tripod2.jpg

This is the other end (duh).

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/g9/tripod3.jpg

I simply took some of the braided cord, made a loop and threaded it through the plastic clasp. The knot is big enough inside to keep it from slipping through and the carabiner traps it on the other side.

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/g9/tripod4.jpg

I still needed a connector on the tripod, so I used a little more of the cord to wrap around the tops of two of the legs. It doesn’t interfere with anything. I mentioned "legs splayed" in my specifications above -- you pull out those Gitzo-labelled stops and you can spread the legs farther apart to get the tripod closer to the ground. But unless you have a short column, it only makes an inch-worth's of difference.

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/g9/tripod5.jpg

And this is me with a self-satisfied look, thumbing my shutter button in the reflective glass my office entrance. Another thing that makes this arrangement comfortable is threading your arm inside the tripod but still over the bag strap for a little security in case the bag should slip off your shoulder -- in other words, your arm doesn't have to go over the entire contraption.

http://www.kleptography.com/dl/g9/tripod6.jpg

You can obviously leave your ballhead attached if you know you’ll be regularly using your tripod on a particular outing. And if you’re taking a low shot that doesn’t require you to extend the tripod legs but just spread them, you can set the bag on the ground or picnic table or tree stump, unhook the bottom loop, stand the tripod up next to the bag and use it without disconnecting it from the bag.

When I’m carrying my small Domke bag, I use a Domke strap (sold separately: just the neck strap portion with a loop at either end – with the slip nylon web connectors removed) and snap the carabiners into those loops and put it over my shoulder.

The carabiners were about US$6 each and the web connectors were US$5 each. Plus some braided nylon cord that I had around. I would use black if I could find it, but that’s for another day.

I carried it for three weeks around Darjeeling last year and was happy to have it. I find 3.5 pounds a reasonable weight and when it's extended to its full height, I just have to tilt my head slightly to see through the viewfinder (I'm 6' 2"). Without the column extended, I bend my knees a little, which is probably good for my health.

Of course, I've figured out other ways to use my tabletop tripod, so I don't carry the basalt every day. (You can't see it, but it's in the pocket on the left in the first photo; folded, it's 9.75 inches.) And if you beg me, I’ll post shots of my Gitzo G0012 Tabletop Tripod in action.

Cheers,
Don



Dec 04, 2007 at 10:56 PM
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p.1 #16 · Basalt Tripods


Thanks, Don. That was food for thought, especially the 4-section tripod.


Dec 05, 2007 at 01:17 AM
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rico wrote:
Thanks, Don. That was food for thought, especially the 4-section tripod.


You're quite welcome. Here’s some more food for thought (also known as the "muddling of the decision process)…

Accessories for the G-1298 basalt tripod:

Short column and ground level kits – if you want the tripod to operate at its lowest point, with legs spread, you’ll need the GS2510KB short column. This also includes the Ground Level Set (which allows you to remove the column entirely and mount the plate on top of the tripod).
7.4”/19cm, 3.5 ounces/100g, US$85
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/490667-REG/Gitzo_GS2510KB_GS2510KB_Low_Level_Medium_Length_Center.html

Lateral Arm - if you want some horizontal latitude, you might consider a Lateral Arm, G532.
13.3”/33.7cm, 1.12 pounds/510g, US$130
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/20801-REG/Gitzo_G532_G532_Side_Arm.html

Of course, the addition of the lateral arm will put you at 4.5 pounds, at which point you might consider one of the Explorer tripods with their even more manoeuvrable columns -- the GT2931EX at 4.4 pounds and similar height to my basalt is a possibility. B&H has it for US$440.

Another possibility is Gitzo’s new line of aluminium tripods. I saw them today for the first time and they looked pretty good for build, height and especially cost. Again, a comparable model to the basalt I have is the GT2330 at 3.9 pounds and similar height. Cost at B&H is $300.

But at that point, we've come full circle, since B&H has the G1298 basalt for $280 and I like the black look and lack of "leg warmers" they tout for the aluminium models.

BUT, the G-1298 basalt and the lateral arm combination comes to US$410, versus $440 for the GT2931EX Explorer -- at about the same weight. BUT THEN I can leave my lateral arm at home for studio work only and Explorer people can't.

I hope I've clarified all this for you.

Cheers,
Don

As long as I'm exhausting this product and your patience, I might as well share the fact that I find it amazing that the lateral arm is nearly half the cost of my tripod and one-third its weight. Ok, I'm done now... for this message.



Dec 05, 2007 at 03:27 AM





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