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photosenior
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p.1 #1 · info from Pro Music photographers


Im interested in hearing the 'best practices' of how you all have made some $/ made your way into the pro music photo world.

I know the usuall - start with you local gigs and work your way up... But i wanted to hear if people have have other stories that have truly worked for them.

Thanks!



Nov 08, 2007 at 06:00 PM
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Honestly, when it comes to making money by shooting for the music industry, I'd bypass shooting concerts and performances and go straight to shooting album and tour publicity images for bands and labels. I suspect I made more money from 25 publicity shoots as I did from 6 years of concert photography, including stuff published in marquee magazines.

Shooting publicity images will mean spending more time developing relationships with labels, managers and publicists, building a solid book as a portraitist and having access to decent lighting equipment, stylists and locations. But you're doing commissioned shoots, which means you know you're being paid. Concert photography often becomes about spending time getting access and credentials, shooting, then hustling all over trying to sell what you've already shot. Beyond that, I've seen a steadily declining market for performance images - even old mainstays like Rolling Stone, Hit Parader, Kerrang and NME are only using a couple of concert shots per issue now, often at rates as low as $75/each for the initial publication. Concert photography is a LOT of fun, but I've never seen it be terribly lucrative except for a handful of high-profile shooters. I know that some shooters have been able to strike deals with regional venues as the "house photographer", but those are often fairly minor - $150/night and the house keeps the ability to use the resulting images however they like.

My most lucrative times of the year were traveling to shoot festivals, like SXSW and Gannett and CMJ. I'd make the rounds in the month or so beforehand, polling editors at publications about what bands they might be preparing to cover and would want images of, or the same of writers who were already hired and were also going out...then I'd attend those shows first, the bands I wanted to see second. Often I'd email proofs of last night's shows to those folks the next morning, hoping to be the first in line with my hand out. I'd also make myself available to shoot sit-downs and portrait setups with bands during the daytime to accompany interview pieces, and I'd shoot every private party and after-party I could get myself into...mags like Maxim, Spin, Details usually have some presence there and do puff-pieces to satisfy their party sponsors. I would generally get one publication to get my passes and creds issued as freebies in exchange for my promising to cover certain sets, then I'd pay my own travel expenses and hope for the best. Usually it was profitable, once or twice I only broke even.

You can certainly do both, of course. But I think there's a lot more opportunity as a portraitist that specializes in music performers vs. one of the schlubs in the press pit with his belly to the subs for three songs. The latter is a constant hustle, and it wore me out after a while. There's a reason why, at least in NYC and LA, most of the people in the pit are under the age of 25.



Nov 09, 2007 at 12:18 AM
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p.1 #3 · info from Pro Music photographers


Thank you SO MUCH for your response.

This was exactly the type of information that i was looking for.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to pass down you're gained wisdom!

Thanks again,
Ben



Nov 09, 2007 at 01:19 AM
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I agree with shatterkiss. I skipped the whole shooting live shows thing all together and started by showing a portrait book around. Going to shows and meeting bands helps in the beginning as you get a foot in the door. But going to all the local labels in your area and showing a physical book will do you well if you have a solid portfolio. Mind you so many others want to shoot musicians and many are willing to do it for way too little if not free. I'd try to diversify a bit. Shoot musicians and maybe try to create lifestyle images also of indie kids and rockers to present to ad agencies for younger clothing lines. Keeping a certain personal style and applying it to other things will keep your head above water and will teach you how to shoot any situation thrown at you by a label or an art director. Good luck.


Nov 11, 2007 at 01:25 PM
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Thank you all for your info!


Nov 13, 2007 at 05:21 PM
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Yes, I completely agree with the above posts... Music photography is a tough sector, both from the financial side and also in the aspect of getting your foot in the door. I've been doing it for about four years now, initially started out with live concert photos of course, and that expanded into opportunities for promo/posed sessions. That's where the real money is, it is true that it is a rare thing to be able to sell live images nowadays. I have been trying my hardest to get into some sort of agency to represent my live images, but that isn't even easy!

If you work with the smaller and sometimes mid-range labels, you will find that they will try to get the most for as little as they can. I've worked with really stingy labels, simply for (once again as it was pointed out) the fact that most 20-somethings are picking up cheap DSLRs, going out into the scene, and shooting shows constantly -- and they would love the opportunity to shoot some band for next to nothing or even free.

But as far as editorials go, not much money to be made. The top alternative music magazine in the US only pays $100 per live shot, and $200 for a posed shoot (factor in stylist/prop/etc expenses if you want your work to stand-out, and you're not left with much!). One of the main benefits of that though is the ability to network with publicists and label reps then get the promo package deals which can net you anywhere from $500-4000...... All I can say is good luck!



Nov 14, 2007 at 12:27 PM
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Just as a note, there's a good piece in the current issue of PDN about photography for the music industry. It mostly addresses editorial work, portraiture and publicity imagery, but it's still got really good insight into the photographic needs of record labels.


Nov 14, 2007 at 10:07 PM





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