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p.2 #1 · Beginning Photographer Advice?


I didn't read all the posts above, but I suggest this book by Peterson.

Learning to See Creatively: Design, Color & Composition in Photography (Updated Edition) (Paperback)

I have read the understanding exposure also, and the "learning to see creatively" is better in my opinion. Buy both, and judge for yourself.

Don't buy any gear with the expectation that it will increase your abilities. More gear increases your options, but not abilities.


Paul



Nov 07, 2007 at 02:29 PM
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Go to the local bookstore and pick up a copy of the KISS book of photography. It has a red cover. That will get you started on the basics of photography & composition.

The truth is a photographer takes a good photo, not the equipment. Expensive professional grade equipment is not required to take a good photos. Learn about photography, buy a good tripod, stop down the lens and you will get good results. As you skills develop, you may decide to get new lenses. I used that zoom lens for years and took good photos with it. The 10D takes nice photos.



Nov 07, 2007 at 08:53 PM
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Don't listen to these clowns! A hobby is not about getting things right, its about collecting STUFF! Photography is not about good pictures, its about having the most lenses and gadgets. The next time you hear about the (xx) mm f/x.x L lens that you cannot absolutely live without, immediately go out and buy it. If you have to, put it on a credit card. Don't be a communist! This is AMERICA dammit!

Mike

Nov 07, 2007 at 09:24 PM
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Good post!

Nov 07, 2007 at 11:14 PM
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Books - Understanding Exposure as already suggested. I recommended this to many (after reading it myself) and I think it does a very good job at explaining the basics and will move you from beginner to intermediate in no time (with practice of course).

Equipment - I agree with others, don't buy any more yet. There is so much value in using a single lens to get started. I started with just a 50mm in my first photo class back in high school, but there's no reason to limit yourself to one focal length anymore. Back then (5th century BC) zooms were expensive and poor, so you'll have an advantage.

If you use the lens to shoot everything you want, you'll very soon discover if you want something wider, longer, or both. I'd agree with the suggestion to get the kit lens if you want to go wider, but don't spend a lot of money on gear.

Nov 08, 2007 at 12:30 AM
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Nov 08, 2007 at 01:32 AM
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You might be one of those people that would benefit from the NYIP home study course. New York Institute of Photography. You can fiind their ads in most photo mags.

Most people that have done any photography find it to simplistic. If you have the money and the time, you might benefit from it.



Nov 08, 2007 at 01:47 AM
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There is some kind of strange rhythmic beauty in that last post regardless of what size browser window I use. Must be good advice.

Nov 08, 2007 at 01:50 AM
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hey roy....get to the point your trying to make would ya !!

Nov 08, 2007 at 11:14 AM
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A good advice on order to make it easier to see own progress...pick a subject. Any subject, your wife, a street, a statue, dogs, cats, planes, a building, you know, anything will do as long as it is defined. Thing is that if you randomly shoot everything that comes in your path it will be harder to see how you progress from each time you are out shooting because the subject differs to much.

Pick a statue or the town square, shoot it, go home and browse the images, ask yourself, friends, familiy or better yet, post it here and ask for C&C, what could be done better. Then get out there and shoot it again, as long as you stick to the same subject you end up with "sessions" were you can compare and analyze images to see were itīs going, how light changes, angle changes and most importanly you will see how you refine the shot from each time.

By all means, shoot other things too but picking a "project" to come back to is a good learning excercise as well as a lot of fun.

Tripods are good once you have warmed up. In addition to keeping the camera still at long exposures tripods also forces you to think twice before setting up the shot due to their slightly cumbersome workflow.

Happy shooting!

Nov 08, 2007 at 11:46 AM
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leadZERO wrote:
As a follow-up, what would a recommendation be for a good book on the basics of photography.


Here is a basic guide I wrote for my son, covers items like the relationship between shutter speed, ISO, aperture, white balance, DOF etc ...

Click here for Photography 101

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I also like Photo Idea Index, it's a little green book. It is 1-part "how-to" and one part "what-if." It shows you some examples of how to view a scene in different ways.

For example, he's trying to photograph a historic building and so he looks around for creative compositions besides just a straight-on view. Looking for reflections he can play off of, ways to "frame" the subject between nearby elements. Mixing the belltower on the sbuject building with the geometry of the building next door. Finally he takes a picture from inside the bulding across the street.

Nick

Nov 08, 2007 at 04:04 PM
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Yes, Peterson's "Understanding Exposure" is excellent, but as another poster mentioned, the "Kodak Guide to 35mm Photography - Techniques for Better Pictures" is the BEST introductory book for newbies I've ever read!

It covers every area of interest, from exposure, to lenses, to composition, to macro, and much more. The book is printed on high quality paper, and the illustrative photos are to die for!!

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!

Note: I'm not sure it's still in print (Amazon shows only 1 used copy for sale). Let's all email Kodak to re-issue, or better yet, publish an update to this excellent book.

Nov 09, 2007 at 03:44 AM
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nathanlake wrote:
You might be one of those people that would benefit from the NYIP home study course. New York Institute of Photography. You can fiind their ads in most photo mags.

Most people that have done any photography find it to simplistic. If you have the money and the time, you might benefit from it.



Yep: good idea.


Nov 09, 2007 at 04:46 AM
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My advice for a new photographer?

Run away!

Run away now, before you happily lose all of your money, time, sleep, and blissful ignorance of how bad the photographs you took last season were.

And that's just from reading this forum. Actually taking pictures will only make this effect worse.



Nov 09, 2007 at 04:55 AM
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OK, so I'm new to this too (sort of, anyway) and what everyone has said so far is good. Don't worry too much about your kit until you learn more about what you want to and enjoy shooting.

I would summarize as follows:
- learn the basics - exposure, light, dof, etc etc. Just learning each term and then playing with your gear to see if you can manipulate it (for instance, you can take lots of shots of rows of individual items, like dominoes or pencils to learn depth of field).

- carry your camera as much as possible and shoot as much as you can. Learn to look at the light - how it affects the things you're seeing.

- the project idea is a good one - I'd suggest looking at the monthly assignment forum here and going out to and trying to shoot things that meet it. The weekly one is good too, but might move a bit fast (it does for me, anyway).

- one thing I haven't seen so far: you admitted you feel you lack an artistic eye.....so learn it. forget just photography - look at art books, go to art galleries, study famous painters, etc. Look at the composition, how they focused on objects, how they expressed things. Art is about presenting something in a new or different or personal way...giving meaning to what would otherwise be a simple representation of reality. If you have any artist friends, enlist them to help you. Do a shoot, show them your work, or just go out with them to learn how they "see" things...get that artidtic point of view.

keep shooting,
Andy

Nov 09, 2007 at 05:10 AM
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There are a lot of good books out there - Understanding Exposure (get the newest update which includes digital) by Peterson is great, as well as any of the John Shaw books on nature, landscape are good too, Rick Sammon's guide to Digital Photography is another one that is good for beginners - but my suggestion is GO TO YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY. Nobody ever suggests this. Our library has a fabulous photography section. Take them out, learn and then see what you would like to have at home for reference, I also like to sit at the book store (my own personal library and read through the newest books. Good luck and happy shooting!

Nov 09, 2007 at 01:11 PM
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danmitchell wrote:
A very inexpensive option is to get a used copy of the 18-55mm kit lens.


Unfortunatelly that will not fit his 10D.


Skip the 50mm prime at this point unless your main interest is short telephoto or portrait photography. On our camera it is not a traditional "normal" focal length. Yes, it is optically quite decent. Yes, it is inexpensive. NO, it is the wrong lens for most people in your situation.


I don't know why the 50 is the wrong lens, I really like 50mm, much better than 28mm. Plus the 50mm has a rather nice property too on a crop body: it makes a nice and cheap astrophotography lens. Which is what the OP originally got the 10D for.


Nov 09, 2007 at 01:18 PM
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Bryan Peterson's Understanding Exposure.

This is one of the best books on photography, easy to understand.

Nov 09, 2007 at 01:45 PM
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A couple of previous posters have mentioned the EFs 18-55 "kit "lens. As they stated this lens will not fit the 10D in its stock configuration. However the lens can be modified to work with the 1.6 crop non-EFs bodies, like the 10D. From time to time these modified lenses are available in the Buy & Sell forum. Look for a listing for a modified, or "mod" 18-55.

The modification is really simple to do. You can find directions on the web. One site that I found with very good directions is...
http://metku.net/index.html?path=mods/efs/index_eng

Check it out. Like you I am a beginner. While I have other lenses, I use the 18-55 for at least 60% of the photos I take.

Ken

Nov 09, 2007 at 02:04 PM
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Just to follow up...

Thanks for all the great advice. I ordered Understanding Exposure and Learning to See Creatively from Amazon; they'll be here later this week.

I made it out this morning to take some pictures... Here's what I came up with:

symmetry gallery

I posted in the C&C forum, feel free to reply here or there.

Thanks again.

Nov 12, 2007 at 04:34 AM




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