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Fred Miranda wrote:
If someone decides to post an image on this board, on the subject line, something needs to be added. For example:
AIT: my image

So, all threads with the word "AIT" on the subject line would contain an image that would be transformed into a thumbnail and added to the thumbnail page. Once members browse the thumbnail page and like that particular image, they would be able to click on it and go to the thread in question. (And post comments, find out which gear was used, etc...)
Too complicated?

So we'd have all these "AIT:" threads that link to a main gallery page. Seems cluttered.

Nov 06, 2007 at 12:39 AM

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p.2 #2 · Logic of Locking AIT

So I click to open page 225 and it has a post with a link embedded in it as ttp:www.teamsk.org/photo/1.jpg (no h in this example so it will just show as text). My browser reads that link and then makes a direct connection to the teamsk server and the data is sent directly to my browser. Would you mind explaining why bits of that data stream pass through your server?

We have a dedicated code on this forum that "open" images once members post their URL addresses. Instead of only showing links.
It's a nice feature but involves a server hit. It's not something that would break the server, unless we have a thread with over 2,400 images...That is the problem here. Also, a large number of these images are hosted by FM and that aggravates the issue even further.

Nov 06, 2007 at 12:40 AM

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p.2 #3 · Logic of Locking AIT

Sorry for being dense but I'm still confused. A 'hit' implies something along the lines of a fixed amount of code being transferred for the 'open' operation for each image. Wouldn't this be the same chunk of code for a thumbnail as for a larger jpg?

For the thumbnail solution to cut bandwidth - a page full of thumbnails (as in the example you provided) must only transfer the code once for all of them or ?

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:02 AM

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p.2 #4 · Logic of Locking AIT

StevenPA wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote:
If someone decides to post an image on this board, on the subject line, something needs to be added. For example:
AIT: my image

So, all threads with the word "AIT" on the subject line would contain an image that would be transformed into a thumbnail and added to the thumbnail page. Once members browse the thumbnail page and like that particular image, they would be able to click on it and go to the thread in question. (And post comments, find out which gear was used, etc...)
Too complicated?

So we'd have all these "AIT:" threads that link to a main gallery page. Seems cluttered.

Is there a way to link directly to the gallery itself without starting a new thread? Also, can we add a caption to each gallery image? At the very least, I want to see what lens is being used on the gallery thumbnail page.

Edited by StevenPA on Nov 06, 2007 at 09:40 AM GMT

If a "sub-forum" was created just for these images (as there is a dedicated forum for WA and MA) then they would not clutter the main Alt. forum at all. It would be organized just like MA and WA. I see where Fred it going with this.

To have a place to post the images in a dedicated thread would allow you to receive comments and feedback, discuss lenses, etc. all in the same thread. Terrific idea, I'd say.

Edited by cogitech on Nov 05, 2007 at 08:11 PM GMT

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:10 AM

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I think the core of the AIT thread has lost its original intention anyway. I thought it was a thread where someone would get a new lens/body and post a few pics from it. Or they might post some additional pics occasionally, usually with a different subject, light, atmosphere.

Lately it seems to have become more of a photo posting thread, that has little to do with showing someones latest new alternative test. Seems the users that are posting regularly for general photo sharing are FM host members. I can think of one lens that has close to 100 posting with similar subjects, light, and atmosphere, posted by the same person. Actions like that are what I think is kiliing the thread.

Fred, why not admit the real problem are your own paid members? I know when my host is down I don't see squat I've posted on your site.

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:11 AM

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TeamSK jay wrote:
Sorry for being dense but I'm still confused. A 'hit' implies something along the lines of a fixed amount of code being transferred for the 'open' operation for each image. Wouldn't this be the same chunk of code for a thumbnail as for a larger jpg?

For the thumbnail solution to cut bandwidth - a page full of thumbnails (as in the example you provided) must only transfer the code once for all of them or ?

The thumbnail page is not live. It gets updated after a determined amount of time. That is how it could help. However, at the end it may not help much. It was just a suggestion since another issue with the “AIT” is functionality. It’s hard to find an image on a 300 page thread!

With the thumb page, it would be easy to browse through images. I will put more thought into it though.
Fred

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:12 AM

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cogitech wrote:
If a "sub-forum" was created just for these images (as there is a dedicated forum for WA and MA) then they would not clutter the main Alt. forum at all. It would be organized just like MA and WA. I see where Fred it going with this.

To have a place to post the images in a dedicated thread would allow you to receive comments and feedback, discuss lenses, etc. all in the same thread. Terrific idea, I'd say.

Sounds like your talking about an Alt Presentation Board with a gallery link to the Alt Forum? I thought the whole idea was to keep everything in the same forum. That is, new threads would open as normal, and the AIT Gallery tacked to the top of the forum page would go directly to the gallery, where we could upload pics. But if we need an AIT: tag every time, the Alt Forum is going to get cluttered, like trying to find a WTB thread in the quagmire of FS threads on the B&S board. Or did I misunderstand?

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:19 AM

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Or, what about a "monthly" Alt. Image thread, with the thumbs, individual threads for comments, etc. and a way for members to vote for an image. It could be theme-based, or not, but it would be nice to work the Alt. angle a bit and have people describe the hardware setup and explain how that particular alternative lens offered them something unique for that particular shot.

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:23 AM

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pdmphoto wrote:
I think the core of the AIT thread has lost its original intention anyway. I thought it was a thread where someone would get a new lens/body and post a few pics from it. Or they might post some additional pics occasionally, usually with a different subject, light, atmosphere.

Lately it seems to have become more of a photo posting thread, that has little to do with showing someones latest new alternative test. Seems the users that are posting regularly for general photo sharing are FM host members. I can think of one lens that has close to 100 posting with similar subjects, light, and atmosphere, posted by the same person. Actions like that are what I think is kiliing the thread.

Couldn't agree more. Still, it's nice to see a particular lens a few different time in a few different lighting situations and locations. We all need to exercise some self control in this regard and keep the spirit of the thread focused on the theme of showing the particular characteristics of a lens, and less on simple photo sharing.

Sometimes we're blinded by the "Alt Factor", but let's face it, there's a lot of junky photos (mostly mine..

) in the AIT.

Edited by StevenPA on Nov 06, 2007 at 10:32 AM GMT

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:23 AM

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p.2 #10 · Logic of Locking AIT

cogitech wrote:
Or, what about a "monthly" Alt. Image thread, with the thumbs, individual threads for comments, etc. and a way for members to vote for an image. It could be theme-based, or not, but it would be nice to work the Alt. angle a bit and have people describe the hardware setup and explain how that particular alternative lens offered them something unique for that particular shot.

I like the idea of breaking it down into months or at least more bite-size chunks of photos, with separate gallery pages defining that line. Organizing by lens would be nice too, but let's not dream too much, eh? ;-)

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:25 AM

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p.2 #11 · Logic of Locking AIT

pdmphoto wrote:
Fred, why not admit the real problem are your own paid members? I know when my host is down I don't see squat I've posted on your site.

The FM hosted images are not the cause of the problem. The root of the problem is having a 300+ page thread that could be 1000 page along with thousands of images by the end of the month.
That is the "real problem"!

Edited by Fred Miranda on Nov 05, 2007 at 05:41 PM GMT

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:28 AM

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p.2 #12 · Logic of Locking AIT

why not every few months archive the thread, create a new thread by the same name, and for the first post in the new thread post a link to the archived thread. that would keep the number of pages down but also keep the history.

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:37 AM

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p.2 #13 · Logic of Locking AIT

jonboring wrote:
why not every few months archive the thread, create a new thread by the same name, and for the first post in the new thread post a link to the archived thread. that would keep the number of pages down but also keep the history.

That was my original idea and it's the easiest one. Once the thread gets to 50 pages, it is archived. A new thread could be created by AIT posters or by me with a link to the previous archived thread.

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:40 AM

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p.2 #14 · Logic of Locking AIT

Easiest isn't always best.

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:49 AM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
That was my original idea and it's the easiest one. Once the thread gets to 50 pages, it is archived. A new thread could be created by AIT posters or by me with a link to the previous archived thread.

This seems like a reasonable solution.

Nov 06, 2007 at 01:49 AM

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p.2 #16 · Logic of Locking AIT

That certainly sounds like a reasonable solution, Fred.

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Nov 06, 2007 at 01:59 AM

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p.2 #17 · Logic of Locking AIT

cogitech wrote:
Easiest isn't always best.

...and if we have to deal with it now, let's do it as best as we can.

Nov 06, 2007 at 02:02 AM

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p.2 #18 · Logic of Locking AIT

Let's start with this solution for now and see how it works. I just made the changes.
Best,
Fred

Nov 06, 2007 at 02:49 AM

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p.2 #19 · Logic of Locking AIT

Fred Miranda wrote:
pdmphoto wrote:
Fred, why not admit the real problem are your own paid members? I know when my host is down I don't see squat I've posted on your site.

The FM hosted images are not the cause of the problem. The root of the problem is having a 300+ page thread that could be 1000 page along with thousands of images by the end of the month.
That is the "read problem"!

But that's only happened because:

Nobody ever exercised any control of the AIT thread before locking it. It could have been much smaller than its current size with a little direction and control.

You don't have any limits on your host members postings. They are free to post, post, post. That works as long as a thread is here, then gone. It looks like that's going to be the fix.

First it was "The DMR Bible" thread (which was much larger at 1000 pages), and now this thread. At least we could blame the last thread deletion on Guy. The AIS thread is just going to fade away by choice.

These longstanding threads are what has kept the Alternative group interesting and alive for me.

Nov 06, 2007 at 02:49 AM

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Wow, I am not talking about the lock/unlock. Instead, I am talking about the "Season's first ice. M8 and 90 mm."

What an outstanding shot, Arne!

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/385342/356

Nov 06, 2007 at 02:58 AM

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p.2 #21 · Logic of Locking AIT

I'd like to suggest that the AIT2 not be a sticky. I have in the past worked to make a shot that is worthy or interesting enough for posting just because the thread had dropped to the bottom of the page. It seems much more alive and stimulating if it is up to the contributors to keep it going.

Nov 06, 2007 at 03:17 AM

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TeamSK jay wrote:
I'd like to suggest that the AIT2 not be a sticky. I have in the past worked to make a shot that is worthy or interesting enough for posting just because the thread had dropped to the bottom of the page. It seems much more alive and stimulating if it is up to the contributors to keep it going.

Thanks for the suggestion. Let's see how it works.

Nov 06, 2007 at 03:18 AM

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p.2 #23 · Logic of Locking AIT

I think if Fred sees a problem, then we should look to address it and not question the reasoning. He is nice enough to let us continue with it!

If some sort of limitations were set on the images, say only one or two images per post, and only one post per week per person? Would that help at all? Or only delay the big hit once the thread eventually gets large?

I've been annoyed by the length of the thread myself. Well, not really annoyed, but frustrated I guess. I forget my place when viewing it (as I don't view it every day, every week, or even every few weeks when I get busy with work and other things). I'm not sure what would be best for functionality, but I do agree the huge thread is difficult, there have been other huge threads that I just stopped looking at because they were so long. The alternative thread however, I tried to keep up with because of the great images.

Nov 06, 2007 at 04:16 AM

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p.2 #24 · Logic of Locking AIT

well, the Alt thread had something; the single thread to mix photos (maybe a little quiet bragging and also testing) as well as sharing "Hey this is what you can do with this equipment..."

I am glad the solution is to keep the format, not make it sticky (it will stay forward on MERIT now :-))

as for the legth, let's frace it, after 100 pages, we aren't really browsing but throwing dartys (unless you guys have MUCH better memories than me

ANyway, Thanls Fred for listening, and I endorse we try this compromise.

regards
Victor

Nov 06, 2007 at 04:35 AM

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p.2 #25 · Logic of Locking AIT

Once the thread gets to 50 pages, it is archived. A new thread could be created by AIT posters or by me with a link to the previous archived thread.

From here, that seems like the best solution.

I usually record the URLs of images I really like—Fred, will recorded URLs work once a thread is archived? cheers, KL

Nov 06, 2007 at 04:42 AM


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