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BobnJake wrote:
I just got off the phone with the Jamesburg Service Center. You should take the time to call & get your name on the "List". Apparently, a notice will be up on the Canon website the end of the month about the fix, BUT call & get on the "List" so that you receive an early e-mail notification about what to do for sending the camera in.

Thanks, Bob

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Oct 18, 2007 at 06:06 PM
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This will real interesting to see how users can identify their own cameras for the problem.

Kind of hard to replicate the "high temperature" problem now that fall and rainy weather are back in place here.


Oct 18, 2007 at 06:30 PM
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bcaslis wrote:
This will real interesting to see how users can identify their own cameras for the problem.

Kind of hard to replicate the "high temperature" problem now that fall and rainy weather are back in place here.


Instructions:
1. Place camera in micro wave oven...
2. ...



Oct 18, 2007 at 06:45 PM
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No more than 2 minutes in the microwave! Time may vary between microwave models.


I'd expect it to be something like the serial number or maybe from the manufacturing code.

He did say it would be easy.

Hey, maybe even a firmware upgrade that will check something in the camera. Who knows....

Oct 18, 2007 at 06:54 PM
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A totally unrelated issue, with the Canon A650 IS digicompact, could be excluded from having the light-leak if it had a marking inside the battery cover. (story here: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07100801a650service.asp )

So I guess the Canon quality inspection will have marked the bodies that have the updated internals, so one can easily identify if a fix is required or not.

Oct 18, 2007 at 07:03 PM
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Garylv wrote:
No more than 2 minutes in the microwave! Time may vary between microwave models.


....


Well yet another fix that did not work.... Oh and I now need a new kitchen ;-)


Oct 18, 2007 at 07:05 PM
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Tentacle wrote:
Doesn't make much of a difference, does it? Either it was a design flaw or it was a manufacturing flaw. Bottom line is that the camera has to undergo some physical modification in order to rectify the problem, it can not be a DIY solution in the form of a firmware update and/or changing settings.


As someone clarified for me earlier, if it was a manufacturing flaw it makes it more reasonable to expect that a smaller amount of cameras would be effected than if it was a design flaw, which would indicate that all cameras are effected.

It is good information to know for those of us who haven't experienced the problem first hand with our own cameras. Again, I don't want to waste Canon's time or delay someone else's repair if I don't have to.

Oct 18, 2007 at 07:07 PM
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Previously, I had posted that I received a repaired canon 1dIII back on October 4th, which I had sent in for a nonresolving Err99 in addition to the AI Servo and 1 shot focus inaccurancy issues

Canon's repair slip included the following comment:

REPLACED SHUTTER UNIT, SH, MIRROR CHARGE UNIT.
CLEANED CMOS. ADUJUSTED FOCUS TO STANDARD.
REPLACED REARD CF DOOR LEATHERETT. CL/CK ALL
FUNCTIONS.

Today I called Canon at Irvine, CA to inquire if the above repair suggested that I had the new submirror assemby. The representative reported that yes, they did in fact replace the defective submirror component in my camera and checked it against a "standard", which apparently they will be sending to us to test our own cameras. It appears thus that the submirror assembly has been replaced in defective cameras since early October.

I have had a substantial improvement in my AI Servo focus accuracy, and have posted pics of events with this modified camera (see the football images)....Yay, things seem to be in order finally.

http://ashwinlrao.blogspot.com

Oct 18, 2007 at 07:11 PM
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ashwinrao1 wrote:
Previously, I had posted that I received a repaired canon 1dIII back on October 4th, which I had sent in for a nonresolving Err99 in addition to the AI Servo and 1 shot focus inaccurancy issues

Canon's repair slip included the following comment:

REPLACED SHUTTER UNIT, SH, MIRROR CHARGE UNIT.
CLEANED CMOS. ADUJUSTED FOCUS TO STANDARD.
REPLACED REARD CF DOOR LEATHERETT. CL/CK ALL
FUNCTIONS.

Today I called Canon at Irvine, CA to inquire if the above repair suggested that I had the new submirror assemby. The representative reported that yes, they did in fact replace the defective submirror component in my camera and checked it against a "standard", which apparently they will be sending to us to test our own cameras. It appears thus that the submirror assembly has been replaced in defective cameras since early October.

I have had a substantial improvement in my AI Servo focus accuracy, and have posted pics of events with this modified camera (see the football images)....Yay, things seem to be in order finally.

http://ashwinlrao.blogspot.com


Obviously Canon US service is far better than UK. I dropped my 1D3, 1D2N, 9 lenses, asked for specific lens body calibration and a thorough test of the AF AI-Servo given the problems I was having. What did they do? 'Check and adjust AF, no problem found'. Blo00dy great! And they charged me £330 for the calibration.


Oct 18, 2007 at 07:30 PM
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Just got off the phone with Canon Service USA. They put me on the waiting list and said that it would be approx 3 weeks before they contacted 1DmkIII owners with more definitive information and mailing labels.
The rep asked me for the sales date and the serial number of my mkIII...so if you call, have that info ready. They also will ask for your mailing address and e-mail address.
I was advised that once I receive the labels, it will take approx 7-10 days total (including shipping both ways) for Canon to effect the repair and have the camera back in my hands.
Be prepared to wait on the phone approx 5-10 minutes to get through to a rep as they are currently swamped with callers seeking the fix. The rep told me that most of the calls they are receiving at the service center (in the last 48 hours) are regarding this issue.
The numer I called was the one posted on page one of this thread.
Cheers
Scott
PS: I think that when they return the cameras they should include a coupon
for a pint or two. Hint, hint - good for public relations. Sake would be acceptable too :-)

Oct 18, 2007 at 07:47 PM
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You can come on down to Texas...Austin area...suppose to be a cool 94 tomorrow....

Guess this will be a good time to send the lenses in for checking too....that way hopefully it will come back all in tip top shape.



Oct 18, 2007 at 07:47 PM
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Alistair Watson wrote:
Obviously Canon US service is far better than UK. I dropped my 1D3, 1D2N, 9 lenses, asked for specific lens body calibration and a thorough test of the AF AI-Servo given the problems I was having. What did they do? 'Check and adjust AF, no problem found'. Blo00dy great! And they charged me £330 for the calibration.

I'd DEFINITELY try to get that money back... I've had the opposite experience (not with a 1D3 as I don't own one - yet). Dropped a camera with the 580 II mounted and it fell right on the flash which broke off at the mount. Dropped it at CPS and they repaired it in 4 days without it costing me a dime. That's service! Paying the equivalent of 500 euro for a calibration of lenses with a faulty body without results looks like plain highway robbery to me.

Oct 18, 2007 at 07:50 PM
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Emile Gregoire wrote:
Alistair Watson wrote:
Obviously Canon US service is far better than UK. I dropped my 1D3, 1D2N, 9 lenses, asked for specific lens body calibration and a thorough test of the AF AI-Servo given the problems I was having. What did they do? 'Check and adjust AF, no problem found'. Blo00dy great! And they charged me £330 for the calibration.

I'd DEFINITELY try to get that money back... I've had the opposite experience (not with a 1D3 as I don't own one - yet). Dropped a camera with the 580 II mounted and it fell right on the flash which broke off at the mount. Dropped it at CPS and they repaired it in 4 days without it costing me a dime. That's service! Paying the equivalent of 500 euro for a calibration of lenses with a faulty body without results looks like plain highway robbery to me.


Why would he get his money back? He sent in 2 bodies and 9 lenses, which they calibrated. If they didn't see the issue with his Mark III, how could they fix it? Alistair jumped the gun - that's not Canon's fault, it's his.

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I just got off the phone with canon repair center and they mentioned the recall to the hardware fix for the 1d mark 3. The service man mentioned that they would fix all 1d mark3 with this problem and no mention of one serial number over the other. He mentioned anyone having AI Servo problems to get on the waiting list as soon as possible. Also mentioned that the part will not be available until late October but no later than the 25th. Canon will send two E-mails. The first will be from Canon validating the problem and providing a claim number and when the part will be available for installation. The second E-mail will be a pre-paid Shipping and Insurance form from UPS. Hope this helps.




Edited by Chefdaniel on Oct 19, 2007 at 02:55 AM GMT

Oct 18, 2007 at 07:57 PM
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Sam Bennett wrote:
Why would he get his money back? He sent in 2 bodies and 9 lenses, which they calibrated. If they didn't see the issue with his Mark III, how could they fix it? Alistair jumped the gun - that's not Canon's fault, it's his.


You're right: he sent two bodies in. So they should return half the money. I hate that is has become normal to charge customers for not solving their issue. It's always the customer's problem - never the manufacturer's or the distributor's. Call me crazy, but I don't think that's correct.

Doesn't really matter that at that time they didn't see his issue - it is quite clear there is one and it looks as they're finally admitting there is one. Seems only logical they should take responsibility in hindsight. What would you have a guarantee for otherwise? The thing was supposed to work with his 9 lenses, wasn't it?

Edited by Emile Gregoire on Oct 18, 2007 at 09:05 PM GMT

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:00 PM
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Emile Gregoire wrote:
Sam Bennett wrote:
Why would he get his money back? He sent in 2 bodies and 9 lenses, which they calibrated. If they didn't see the issue with his Mark III, how could they fix it? Alistair jumped the gun - that's not Canon's fault, it's his.


You're right: he sent two bodies in. So they should return half the money. I hate that is has become normal to charge customers for not solving their issue. It's always the customer's problem - never the manufacturer's or the distributor's. Call me crazy, but I don't think that's correct.


Horseshit. If Canon couldn't reproduce the problem, then they can't fix it, period. The Canon "announcement" so far has indicated its dependent on temperature, so it sounds like in the lab scenario the techs simply can't see the issue. That's precisely why Canon's been taking so longer to figure this out, and it's precisely why it would have been wiser for most people to take a "wait and see" approach to this instead of wasting their time and money (as well as Canon's) shipping around tens of thousands of dollars worth of gear for this futile effort.

If Alistair had approached this as a warranty issue, that would be one thing - but that was not the approach he took.

Edited by Sam Bennett on Oct 18, 2007 at 03:07 PM GMT

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:04 PM
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Sam Bennett wrote:
Horseshit. If Canon couldn't reproduce the problem, then they can't fix it, period. The Canon "announcement" so far has indicated its dependent on temperature, so it sounds like in the lab scenario the techs simply can't see the issue. That's precisely why Canon's been taking so longer to figure this out, and it's precisely why it would have been wiser for most people to take a "wait and see" approach to this instead of wasting their time and money (as well as Canon's) shipping around tens of thousands of dollars worth of gear for this futile effort.


What stink more than your horseshit is that Canon delivered a body with a problem and they're not willing to take responsibility. If at that time they didn't see the problem it was correct to charge that amount. Now that they've found out there was a problem after all, they should take responsibility and offer a refund of the money someone spent because they delivered a malfunctioning body.

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:09 PM
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Sam Bennett wrote:
If Alistair had approached this as a warranty issue, that would be one thing - but that was not the approach he took.

Edited by Sam Bennett on Oct 18, 2007 at 03:07 PM GMT

Didn't know that and you're right about that. I apologize.

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:12 PM
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Emile Gregoire wrote:
What stink more than your horseshit is that Canon delivered a body with a problem and they're not willing to take responsibility. If at that time they didn't see the problem it was correct to charge that amount. Now that they've found out there was a problem after all, they should take responsibility and offer a refund of the money someone spent because they delivered a malfunctioning body.


Again, if Alistair sent in his Mark III and that's it, you might have a point. But Alistair sent in 2 bodies and NINE LENSES, which they ensured were working properly to the best of their ability at the time. Canon spent a lot of time doing all this, and they charged him for it. If Alistair wanted the focusing issue with his Mark III fixed he should have dealt with it as a warranty issue, and then he wouldn't have been charged a dime. Seems pretty friggin' basic to me.

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:12 PM
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Sam, see my last reply: I didn't know Alistair didn't try to get his gear serviced under warranty.

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:14 PM
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Thank you for the apology.

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:18 PM
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Sam Bennett wrote:
Thank you for the apology.

You're welcome. Never be too proud.
I've seen too many instances where manufacturers tried to escape responsibility. Cost me several thousand driving a new car that malfunctioned. Guess I jumped on the barricades too soon in this case ( lived in France for three years, jumping on barricades gets under your skin you know ) I'd still think it would be a nice gesture of Canon to refund part of the cost, but I agree it wasn't highway robbery and I can imagine it would be too costly a gesture as anyone would jump in.

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:26 PM
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nathanlake wrote:
The fact that Canon waited so long to make a formal announcement is evidence of how hard this has been for them to pin down.

not really. they waited until it was fixed... 2 weeks away.

plus until they took Rob's cameras, i don't believe Canon japan even took the claims seriously... that didn't happen until mid-summer if i recall. they wasted alot of time waiting to see if there was actually a problem (foolish move).


Oct 18, 2007 at 08:39 PM
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I just got off the phone, signing up for the fix!
The rep confirmed everything reported here. I also asked him if he was getting calls regarding single shot inconcistencies, as well. He said not as many, but the sub-mirror not re-seating properly due to heat expansion, would affect single shots as well. Since that's my experience, I was pleased to hear that!!

Keeping my fingers crossed!

Oct 18, 2007 at 08:55 PM
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Emile and Sam,

I sent in my 1D2N and 8 lenses in for service and calibration at the beginning of this year. It was done for free because Canon UK rules used to be that as long as you had one body within warranty the calibration work was free. This appears to have changed because as usual people seem to be taking advantage.

I got my first Mark 3 in June this year and it wouldn't focus for 5hit. Immediately returned. I then purchased another Mark 3 in August because I absolutely needed a 2nd body. After talking to CPS techs re custom functions for 6 weeks, sending images in, they couldn't work out what the problem was so they asked me to send the Mark 3 in for calibration. The problem is, when you shoot sports wide open, to make calibration worthwhile I said all gear should go in, Canon UK agreed and I did just that. However after dropping of the gear on Monday morning, I needed it back for Saturday for a shoot, on Wednesday they called me quoting over £700 for 1 1/2 days of a techs time. We eventually negotiated down to £330. I specifically detailed all the AI-Servo issues I had with the Mark 3 on the service form and told the techs that this was at the request of the CPS people. They didn't care and I needed my gear back.

Sure the Mark 3 now has an accurate DoF when shooting wide open, very accurate actually but it still doesn't focus properly for people sports. Given this new news I am going to try to recover the £330 because I have spent hours and hours on the phone with Canon, experimented repeatedly on shoots with a body I don't trust, lost important shots. I am very annoyed with Canon UK, to say the least! Typical British understatement here!

While Canon UK currently doesn't have a clue about the focus sub assembly I am going to try to get a replacement body from my dealer as long as Canon assure me that bodies produced after x date include the fix. I simply cannot be bothered to wait any longer. If I had £1 for every time I had heard Canon UK say "oh you can't compare the Mark 3 to the Mark 2N, it is an advanced camera and operates very differently from previous iterations of the 1D series" I could have easily bought myself a Wi-Fi unit for the body!!!! I am sorry but I have been shooting for 10 years and been a Canon customer for that long too apart from a brief and never to be repeated trial with Nikon. Given that I read every single tech doc on the Mark 3, trialed every single custom function, over 1000 shots with each settings, I find it insulting to be told it is my fault, I find it insulting to be charged £330 for calibration when i send my equipment in at the direct request of Canon. Frankly I am very angry at Canon UK. Sadly, no one at Canon UK cares one bit!

Without you all falling asleep from my rambling, I wonder where we would be without RG's opinion pushing Canon forward to find this resolution. I have gained more information from this forum on possible combinations of settings combined with docs I have read from CPS/N than I ever got from Canon people. Nearly all of the feedback I have had has been constructive and worthwhile and I thank you for that.

I am not going to take my 1D3 out on a shoot again now until either this body is fixed or I get a replacement from my dealer. Shooting this summer has become such a chore, rather than something I have always loved to do. The other thing I learnt was that sure the 1D3 could be a great camera, but the 1D2N is also a great camera and I think I learnt alot more about the 1D2N by doing so much customisation of the Mark 3.

Anyway, a quick gulp of a lovely vintage Lagavulin single malt and it is time for my rambling to end. (for today anyway )

Goodnight all.


Oct 18, 2007 at 09:20 PM




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