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fungke
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 3D Look


i know that this is talked about sometimes but what gives photos that come from a full frame camera that pop? the files that come from my friend's 5D are amazing and have a certain quality to it. with my mark III is does not seem to be the same. I had the chance to use a 1DSMark II and it too has that pop to the photo. is it really because it is full frame?



Aug 19, 2007 at 05:21 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 3D Look


I don't think the full-frame aspect really has too much to do with it. Yes, there are differences in the DOF between APS-C sensors and full-frame, but I think lighting is usually more of a factor. One shot with great lighting can look like it's going to jump off the screen, while the same shot with mediocre lighting is just mediocre.


Aug 19, 2007 at 05:39 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 3D Look


I would have to agree, it's probably more to do with the light.

Although you'll use a longer lens to get the same field of view on FF, so there might be less DOF if it's a portrait or similar, that might be part of it.



Aug 19, 2007 at 06:00 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 3D Look


I think it's definitely the DOF thing with full frame. The DOF is significantly less which of course seperates the subject from the background more. It's similar to the effect of medium format film cameras, albeit on a smaller scale.


Aug 19, 2007 at 06:18 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 3D Look


Let me rephrase, the DOF is not less technically, but when attempting to get the same framing with the same lense on a FF body vs. crop the DOF is less because you have to be closer.


Aug 19, 2007 at 06:20 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 3D Look


fungke wrote:
i know that this is talked about sometimes but what gives photos that come from a full frame camera that pop? the files that come from my friend's 5D are amazing and have a certain quality to it. with my mark III is does not seem to be the same. I had the chance to use a 1DSMark II and it too has that pop to the photo. is it really because it is full frame?


I think it's the light falloff at the corners of the sensor that draws the eye to the center (subject?) of the image that does it.



Aug 19, 2007 at 05:04 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 3D Look


Is your friend shooting with a tilt-shift lens? Those can definitely make things look 3d in the image.


Aug 19, 2007 at 05:15 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 3D Look


Have a look at this archived posting: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/530337


Aug 19, 2007 at 09:39 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 3D Look


I get a lot of comments about this landscape looking very 3d, like a painting. Oddly enough, this photo has a pretty large DOF.

Tad







Aug 19, 2007 at 10:26 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 3D Look


Don't tell me, HDR right?


Aug 19, 2007 at 11:02 PM
 

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 3D Look


ummmmmm...........no, but I guess I should take that as compliment?

Rebel XT and Tamron 17-50

1/500
f/11
Evaluative metering
EC -2
ISO 400
19mm
Raw file

Converted in LR
Tweaked levels, curves, saturation, and sharpened in CS2. You can either let the in-camera software do it for you or you can put some time and effort into learning another aspect of photography. Processing! Film people had/have to do it too.

................thanks again though Beni.

Tad



Aug 19, 2007 at 11:59 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 3D Look


Thats a very pretty image. But I would crop it down to eliminate the intruding branches at the top. (or get busy with the healing brush tool)


Aug 20, 2007 at 12:34 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 3D Look


There are almost no generalizations about how to achieve the 3D look that hold up. Why? Because there are 3D-looking images taken with $3000 Zeiss lenses and with $100 kit lenses. There are 3D-looking images with infinity focus and a huge DOF, and others with a tiny DOF. There are 3D-looking images taken on point and shoot cameras, and others taken on 20x24" ultralarge format view cameras.

In my mind, and as I stated a few times in that archived thread, there are two important features to a 3D look.

One is textural detail. This often comes from a combination of microcontrast and directional lighting. Good lenses will do better than poor lenses at this, but picking your lighting is the critical step.

Two is suggestion of depth. This can come from a shallow DOF, but it can also come from lines that lead the viewer into the photo, or simply from well placed foreground-middleground-background objects.



Aug 20, 2007 at 01:04 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 3D Look


I think its the 17-50. Mine has great color and contrast.


Aug 20, 2007 at 01:29 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 3D Look


There are almost no generalizations about how to achieve the 3D look that hold up. Why? Because there are 3D-looking images taken with $3000 Zeiss lenses and with $100 kit lenses. There are 3D-looking images with infinity focus and a huge DOF, and others with a tiny DOF. There are 3D-looking images taken on point and shoot cameras, and others taken on 20x24" ultralarge format view cameras.

There's the answer. Perfectly stated!

Tad



Aug 20, 2007 at 01:30 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 3D Look


jcolwell wrote:
Have a look at this archived posting: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/530337



That is sure a good informative post albeit long (57pg), I learned a lot but my head is spinning in 3D right now



Aug 20, 2007 at 01:34 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 3D Look


Most of the time when I read stuff about a "3D look" attributed to particular cameras or lenses, it is just hype/gibberish. --c


Aug 20, 2007 at 01:52 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 3D Look


...or oversharpening.

Nill
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Aug 20, 2007 at 02:21 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 3D Look


Nill Toulme wrote:
...or oversharpening.

Nill
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Haha. Absolutely true.



Aug 20, 2007 at 02:44 AM
Tad Killian
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 3D Look


Yeah, you're right. This landscape should only look one way, and the sharpening is all it is. You got me guys!

Tad



Aug 20, 2007 at 03:01 AM
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