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Archive 2007 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

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p.6 #1 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Anon Moss wrote:
It might be wise to deadpan this release and it's features....lest the price increase by $500..... no - they wouldn't do that would they?
I think it looks like a piece of junk, And no dedicated MLU - shame.

Haha... exactly what I was thinking about all these "leaked" specs on Amazon today. An attempt to divert attention? Perhaps Nikon is set to announce something and this was an attempt to preempt them. Or a chance to gauge interest for an "official" selling price. Having a price leaked through a vendor could avoid the somewhat nasty response they got for jacking up the 1DIII $500 over the price in the white paper.

But with a camera like the 40D and the hit Canon has taken recently in DSLR sales thanks to Nikon, I suspect they won't fiddle with the price too much. Though which Nikon does this supposed 40D compare to more closely? D80 or D200? At the current price it's kind of in the middle but if they can say it's a D200 competitor, there's still some room to raise the price closer to the D200...

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:00 PM

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p.6 #2 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Still has A-DEP

I want my DEP back!

But it will come with "technological wizardry"...
good thing I'm a Harry Potter fan.

Wish it had a Nikon style 'grid-type focus screen' button...
but that direct print button must mean something to somebody at Canon.

The introduction of gravity defying "trickle-up technology" is interesting.

The CAD has held up well against the YEN and the USD,
so I'm hoping we will see good prices here in Canada.

I need some help on the math to figure out the difference in file sizes between my 30D's 12 bit, 8Mp RAW files and the 40D's 14 bit, 10 Mp sRAW files.

All-in-all I'm impressed - more that I was expecting...
Now I need to find some justification (& $) to buy it.

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Aug 19, 2007 at 10:15 PM

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p.6 #3 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

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For what it's worth, my interest was primarily in the WFT-E2a....

I am surprised no one else has realized the value this adds to the camera. Think about this: people could now theoretically have high res images transferred almost instantly from camera to website (wireless transfer to a PC folder could be an images folder on a web server that recognizes the credentials of this via WEP, TKIP/AES, WPA or WPA2. The possibilities are endless ere - journalism will change, blogging will change, so much will likely change with the delivery of high res imagery to the internet almost at the same instant of capture...it really is incredible. And you can be a part of it for $1299? Who can say no to that?

This really isn't all that new in the world of journalism and happens more frequently than one might expect (major sports events/oscars/elections, etc.). I.e. remote cameras at sports events (behind the net at soccer, in the rafters above the BB hoop or ice hockey net) are already set up to automatically upload images through wireless transmitters (though often with the ethernet port instead because it's faster). But I agree, it will open the technology to a lower price point and make it more popular.

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:17 PM

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p.6 #4 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

The 1DMIII 10MP RAW files are about 13MB each... Those for the 40D are expected to be about the same...

dan wrote:
Still has A-DEP

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:27 PM

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p.6 #5 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

dan wrote:
Wish it had a Nikon style 'grid-type focus screen' button...

It has interchangeable focusing screens, one of which has a grid on it. Not sure if its the same grid that the Nikons have. Like the 5D I believe

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:33 PM

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p.6 #6 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

dan wrote:

The CAD has held up well against the YEN and the USD,
so I'm hoping we will see good prices here in Canada.

I need some help on the math to figure out the difference in file sizes between my 30D's 12 bit, 8Mp RAW files and the 40D's 14 bit, 10 Mp sRAW files.

I don't expect the price in Canada to be exactly the same as in the US. Look at the Mark III... it retails for ~$5500-5700 and CPS price is $5000. Even at CPS it's a few hundred more than in the US once you factor in exchange. Another recent item, the 16-35II retails for $1450 US and CPS price in Canada is $1750 with street price being closer to $2000 Cdn.

The 40D will probably have a slight premium, maybe $200 before taxes compared to the US.. enough for a bit more profit while not high enough to encourage everyone to shop cross-border. Believe me, the execs at Canon Canada are VERY aware of the price comparisons made to the US... but they also know many buyers will pay a bit more for the convenience and peace of mind of buying locally. Who knows, maybe Canon Canada doesn't receive the same prices from Canon Japan as Canon USA? Given the convenience of ordering online from places like B&H and only paying shipping plus GST and PST (depending on province of course), it doesn't take much to make ordering from the US worthwhile.

Regarding your question about file sizes: I use the 12 bit 8MP 1DIIN and the 14 bit 10MP 1DIII, which are virtually identical in pixel count to the 30D to 40D respectively. File size will depend a lot on subject matter, ISO and lens used (a tele lens wide open will blur the background more resulting in smaller file sizes compared to a detailed wide angle landscape at high f/stop...). Comparing RAW files from a recent high ISO football game, the IIN average around 7.5MB while the III files average 12.5MB. But I have seen Mark III files as low as 9MB at ISO 100 when using a super tele wide open to blur out backgrounds. I haven't shot any sRAW but according to Canon's figures for the III, sRAW is only half the size of RAW, even though it's 1/4 resolution.

Hope that answers your questions...

Ron

Edited by rscheffler on Aug 19, 2007 at 05:46 PM GMT

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:42 PM

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p.6 #7 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

All 9 sensors are cross type to up to f5.6? What I would give for that in my 5D's! That and 14bit together with the weather sealing and this is a very very serious camera. Bye Bye competitors...

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:45 PM

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p.6 #8 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

DaDane wrote:

You might not find it interesting, - that's fine. But why be ridiculous and try to stop other people from discussing it?

This is the 40D thread, isn't it?

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:45 PM

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p.6 #9 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Wont the Canon WFT-E3A do the same that the Canon WFT-E2A does, but at a more affordable price? I seriously doubt the WFT-E3A will cost as much as the WFT-E2A. There’s a reason Canon calls the WFT-E3A “Compact and affordable” according to Amazon specs.

Sure, the WFT-E3A will probably be bigger and heavier, and it requires its own BP-511A battery pack (also doubles as a vertical grip) according to Amazon specs, but from what I could gather, it does pretty much everything the WFT-E2A does for the 1D Mark III.

But hey, maybe I missed something, I'm dyslexic so.. :P

Aug 19, 2007 at 10:46 PM

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p.6 #10 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Is there any way we can infer from the specs whether the central AF sensor has high (1/3 DOF ) precision up to F4 or just at F2.8?

Aug 19, 2007 at 11:04 PM

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p.6 #11 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Who knows, maybe Canon Canada doesn't receive the same prices from Canon Japan as Canon USA?

I believe I read somewhere that Canon Canada receives their prices from Canon USA...not Canon Japan. If that is truly the case, Canada will always have a higher price due to the extra "middle-man" involved.

Aug 19, 2007 at 11:17 PM

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p.6 #12 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

chchcm wrote:
Is there any way we can infer from the specs whether the central AF sensor has high (1/3 DOF ) precision up to F4 or just at F2.8?

It said on the expanded specs page at Amazon that it was only f/2.8.

I know, I know. I was hoping for that too.

Aug 19, 2007 at 11:19 PM

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p.6 #13 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

rscheffler wrote: "Regarding your question about file sizes..."

Thanks Ron.
That real life experience was just what I was looking for.

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Aug 19, 2007 at 11:27 PM

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p.6 #14 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

talexander wrote:
One feature overlooked in tech specs:

USB "host" capability: Plug compatible USB devices into WFT-E2A, for use with the EOS 40D; GPS devices (write GPS time, coordinates, and altitude info into each file's EXIF info); external hard drive (connect compact external USB hard drive, and write files directly from camera to the hard drive as if it's an additional memory card)

... think of the possibilities.

Tim

cool stuff. i had overlooked that.

edit: ahhh $999 though hmmm..... nice, but won't bne able to afford for now fo rsure.

Aug 19, 2007 at 11:37 PM

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p.6 #15 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

I'm still not gonna hold my breath on this one. Stealth mode? Wifi? Sounds a little gimmicky to me.

What sort of power drain will Wifi have on the camera? Why not add bluetooth so you can use it as a speaker phone too?

I just can't keep thinking someone at Amazon got caught having some fun with the world.

Aug 19, 2007 at 11:59 PM

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p.6 #16 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

coppertop wrote:
I'm still not gonna hold my breath on this one. Stealth mode? Wifi? Sounds a little gimmicky to me.

What sort of power drain will Wifi have on the camera? Why not add bluetooth so you can use it as a speaker phone too?

I just can't keep thinking someone at Amazon got caught having some fun with the world.

gimmicky?
when you are shooting a speaker in a room that echoes and the whole audience turns around and stares at you or laughs after each (of the only 1 or 2 you end up daring to take) you wouldn't call stealth mode a gimmick! PJ complain about this LOTS.

wifi type stuff is used ALL the time at major sporting events. it is HUGE for some. personaly i dont' think i can afford the adapter but it is not a gimmick.
i have seen it used tons and tons of times.

Aug 20, 2007 at 12:06 AM

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p.6 #17 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

coppertop wrote:
I'm still not gonna hold my breath on this one. Stealth mode? Wifi? Sounds a little gimmicky to me..

These are two features that I nearly got a MkIII for. I shoot production stills on films (silent drive) and I also shoot timelapses where the WiFi and Ethernet transfer will be very useful.

Mark

Aug 20, 2007 at 01:04 AM

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p.6 #18 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

I believe the 40D will be more attractive to people who don't already own a 20/30D/XTi yadda-yadda...

because...

8mp - 10mp is barely different in end product.
5fps - 6.5fps ...ditto, barely different.
Liveview? How often would you really use that?
Better AF? Possibly, but I'd be surprised to hear it was significantly better.

I'd say the 40D is a little better than the 20D to 30D upgrade that occurred a while back, and yes, some of the features of this new body are very welcomed but not very 'upgrade material'. What I do like is that it's maintained a small body and has a MkIII's baby brother appeal.

Aug 20, 2007 at 01:14 AM

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p.6 #19 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Oh, come on... the 20D to 30D was nothing compared to what we are seeing with the 30D to 40D upgrade...

Aug 20, 2007 at 01:18 AM

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p.6 #20 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Live view is great for macro which would be my #1 reason for wanting it (My eyes just arn't good enough to see how in focus it really is)

6.5 FPS will help in sports and it's one of those things that's nice to have. Did anyone NEED 10 fps vs 8 on mk3?

My big things I'm interested in are better viewfinder, auto ISO, highlight priority, possible better high ISO performance, deeper buffer and live-view.

Tim

Aug 20, 2007 at 01:19 AM

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