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p.4 #1 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Nill Toulme wrote:
BennyR wrote:
I was hopin' for a VF improvement but the rest looks quite good.
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VF = viewfinder?

"Canon extends its 'ease-of-reading' policy to the EOS 40D SLR's viewfinder as well. The upgraded viewfinder increases optical magnification from 0.90x to 0.95x, expands the viewing angle from 251 degrees to 264 degrees and raises the eye point from 20mm to 22mm."

I hope they've toned down the shutter racket to match the nice quiet 400D.

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more than you know!
it has silent liveview shooting mode even at 6.5fps. didn't have time to read caerfully, but something about, unlike mkiii, also be able to do some AF even during liveview in some way or another. maybe it drops mirror down for a second, too much info, haven't time to read carefully yet.

anyway, aside from apparent lack of lens calibration (which does stink means still sending to canon mess, ugh), quite promising! looks like it is now time to upgrade!

5Dmkii rumors also interesting. it might be able to take EF-S lenses in a reduced 6.5MP crop mode, all the MkIV might as well. might allow xxD to eventually go at least 1.3. all that is a while off though, 3-4 years, aside from 5D. dont think i could wait for 5dmkii though. sports seasons will be just about over by the time that ever gets released perhaps next spring.

(just hope the new af can use the outer sensors in some expansion way at least a tad like the mkiii, although a few hidden would've been nice. high iso should at least not be worse than 20D. if other rumors are to be believed, and they are the sensibel ones taht did pretty much exactly match these details, we may get the superior high iso feature in 2010 or so.)

anyway, gotta go, in a rush.

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p.4 #2 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

legjenda wrote:
DIGIC III?

Of course.

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p.4 #3 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Matt Tilghman wrote:
Hmm...I was set on upgrading to a 5D later this year, but now I may have to wait and see.

These high-level features are very exciting. While I'm sure it has a lot to do with fighting back to Nikon, part of me thinks that Canon has some new, breakthrough features in the works, so they aren't worried about reserving these features for their top models anymore. Once the new features come out, their top models will once again be significantly separated from the X0D's.

i think those northlight rumors that some were deriding the other day might have a lot of truth in them and might explain the lack of fear and waht the secrets may be. so far they fit exactly the amazon stuff. and they, along with the spansih rumors, sounded the most reasonable overal of any.

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p.4 #4 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Damn, now that we have a more definite date, I'm going to have to go out there and sell my kidney... looks like it will be worth it.

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p.4 #5 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

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I can think of some features they weren't able to include in the 40D: AF micro-adjustment, built-in wireless, built-in AF assist light (w/o using the pop-up flash), dedicated/programmable MLU button, native ISO3200 or extended IS06400... =P

I think the micro-adjustment is something they could, but were not willing to add. It's a serious high-end option, for those who really know what they are doing, and have the equipment to make good use of it. It makes sense to leave this as a 1D series-only option.

not so sure. they must get more returns for calibration from the mid-level users than anyone else i bet, pickier than the avg rebel owner, more numerous than the 1series owners (who sometimes are not even remotely picky at times i have seen some use seriously decentered lenses and not care saying ah jsut for the paper, whatever).

once upon a time they used to release a CD to all users that allowed this to be done by PC.

they may be afraid of people mucking stuff up, but seriously, how hard is it to just reset everything back to zero? but these days that is considered diffiicult...

wonder if it implies that the camera does not have the smaller DOF tolerance for fast lenses AF that the 1-series do??

anyway, at least the other stuff all looks very cool.

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p.4 #6 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Canon listened. I'm really exited about this one, but then its short lived. Switzerland overcharges for everything, and I am guessing they are going to charge 1400 bucks instead of 1299 like always. I really need this camera fast, but I am not sure if its smart ordering one online, since I am not sure if the first few copies are going to be lemons.

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p.4 #7 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

How is AF adjustment a 'serious high-end option'?

It's not the guys shooting weddings with an f/4 zoom that need this. I've got a 50/1.4 I had to send back to Canon three times before it would focus right. It's brilliant now, but I could have saved $50 in shipping and a month of cumulative time if I could have done it myself.

AF adjustment is purely firmware, it costs them nothing to add it. It's such a no-brainer to have in all the cameras that I'm genuinely surprised Canon didn't put it in the 40D.

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p.4 #8 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

If the IQ from the 40D approaches the 5D, ¿Do you think the price of the 5D will need to drop to maintain competitiveness?

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p.4 #9 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Mauro Moretti wrote:
If the IQ from the 40D approaches the 5D, ¿Do you think the price of the 5D will need to drop to maintain competitiveness?

no, i think it will have to drop because of 5DMkII, but that is still a while away. also i don't think the 40D will beat out 5D for pure image quality, it has smaller pixel sensors and less MP. some fo the jpg processign should be better though in some ways.

i think 5DMkII and 1DMkIII will rule for high ISO, next canon 5D, then 1DsMkIII, then 40D, then 20D/30D, then 400D, then 10D/300D.

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p.4 #10 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

One feature overlooked in tech specs:

USB "host" capability: Plug compatible USB devices into WFT-E2A, for use with the EOS 40D; GPS devices (write GPS time, coordinates, and altitude info into each file's EXIF info); external hard drive (connect compact external USB hard drive, and write files directly from camera to the hard drive as if it's an additional memory card)

... think of the possibilities.

Tim

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p.4 #11 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Rubber Soul wrote:
But the 1DsmkIII and 1DmkIII are new models that were (or will be) released in 2007. If Canon stays true to their history, neither professional model will see a real upgrade again until the year 2010. I doubt that Canon is holding back on any new technology for future models.

I think it's incredible that Canon decided to implement so many professional features into a prosumer model. The 10 MP sensor, 3" LCD, and dust reduction were a given. Bigger viewfinder, sRAW, and wireless were a mild surprise.

But weather sealing? 14-bit RAW? 6.5 fps? Dual high precision center AF point? All other AF points became cross type? Interchangeable focus screens? If someone told me last week that the EOS 40D would have all these things, I would've dismissed it as a fanboy's wishful thinking.

Upgraded viewfinder and auto focus are what I most wanted to see. Hope they both prove to be substantial improvements.

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p.4 #12 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

talexander wrote:
One feature overlooked in tech specs:

USB "host" capability: Plug compatible USB devices into WFT-E2A, for use with the EOS 40D; GPS devices (write GPS time, coordinates, and altitude info into each file's EXIF info); external hard drive (connect compact external USB hard drive, and write files directly from camera to the hard drive as if it's an additional memory card)

... think of the possibilities.

Tim

The WFT-E2A is 999$, I think that's a bit expensive. It's basically the same as you pay for the whole body!

But yes, I was quite eager about that as well, until I saw the price that is.

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p.4 #13 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Mauro Moretti wrote:
If the IQ from the 40D approaches the 5D, ¿Do you think the price of the 5D will need to drop to maintain competitiveness?

No, because a 5dm2 is just around the corner

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p.4 #14 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Ouch 999?

Ok but still, quite impressive specs.

Tim

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p.4 #15 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Does anyone know anything more about the data verification stuff? I see the kit they speak of sells for like $1000... which is way too pricey for me, even if it is a useful feature... But, I guess I am still interested in exactly what this feature is capable of. One of the things that has always bothered me when using portable storage devices, or even when transferring data to a PC, is that there really is no easy way to verify that the image file did not get corrupt some how. I always wanted some sort of check sum that could verify the integrity of the data... Not sure if that is what this data verification business is all about, but would like to find out...

"Data verification: "Original Image Data" can be appended to each image via Custom Function IV-6-1; requires optional Canon Original Data Security Kit OSK-E3 to check authenticity"

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p.4 #16 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

¿What standard lens for 40D?
17-40
16 35 II
17 55 IS

The 2 first are weather sealed, but the 17 55 is a better fit.
Decisions...

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p.4 #17 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Okay, I'll jump on board the 40D salivation train. It does look like Amazon made a rather serious faux paux in releasing the info, but the damage has been done. Screen grabs and copied content of the specs do seem to have perpetuated the Internet. From here to TOP and all points in between, it seems Canon will likely be best served by not waiting any longer to make the announcement...the wind is with them as the speculation is at its pique, but if they want to maintain this frenzy, they'd be better served to release the news now rather than wait another 3 weeks.

For what it's worth, my interest was primarily in the WFT-E2a along with the following details:

Wireless transfer methods: 802.11b or 802.11g; link speed: approximately 11 megabits/second (802.11b) or 54 megabits/second (802.11g)
• Connection method: Infrastructure or Ad Hoc (802.11g functions in Ad Hoc mode)
• Maximum wireless distance: Approximately 490 feet (150 meters), if "receiver" has its own antenna (depends on environment)
• Wireless channels: 11 (in North American market)
• Ethernet (wired) transfer: Yes; Ethernet 100Base-TX (maximum distance approximately 1,000 feet); link speed: approximately 100 megabits/second
• Transfer options: 1. FTP mode (images sent to folder on host computer); 2. PTP mode (remote control of camera possible from computer); 3. HTTP mode (view camera's files using web browser; remote firing of camera possible)
• Security options: Encryption: WEP or TKIP/AES; authentication: open system, WPA-PSK, or WPA2-PSK

I am surprised no one else has realized the value this adds to the camera. Think about this: people could now theoretically have high res images transferred almost instantly from camera to website (wireless transfer to a PC folder could be an images folder on a web server that recognizes the credentials of this via WEP, TKIP/AES, WPA or WPA2. The possibilities are endless ere - journalism will change, blogging will change, so much will likely change with the delivery of high res imagery to the internet almost at the same instant of capture...it really is incredible. And you can be a part of it for $1299? Who can say no to that?

I was waiting until it came out to snag a 30D at discounted rates, but given teh wireless features, and the possible inclusion of the WFT-E2A, it just seems like the best course of action to add $300 and get the latest and greatest rather than 1 generation old.

I got the XT three years ago, passed on the XTi, as well as the 30D...I think the time has come to upgrade!

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p.4 #18 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

I think it's mostly designed for law enforcement/legal/medical which require "proof" of original-unaltered images. Don't ask me HOW they can possibly prove it's unaltered (since it's still a file and I imagine if you know the method for detection you could take it) but that's the use.

Tim

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p.4 #19 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

As mentioned before, - have you seen the price of the WFT-E2A wireless transmitter?
B&H has it for 999$ which I find to pricey, - you can get a body for that price!

But except for that, you are totally right. It's a fantastic peace of equipment!

Having a second guy doing editing and perhaps even printing while you shoot!
Or howabout setting up a camera (or two) in the church (for weddings) or above the goal (for basket games) or similar and just have you tiny laptop any shoot away. You can see everything with live preview and you can even adjust shuttertime, aperture etc. (No zoom or pan of course, - unless you make a Goldberg construction yourself :-))

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p.4 #20 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Alright I'm glad the 40D has finally been confirmed and theres a release date and all that stuff, but please, can we wait until it at least comes out to start speculating on what it's replacement will be. A "50D" or whatever it will be is a minimum 18-20 months away at the least and the technology going into it probably hasn't been introduced into the market yet. It's just ridiculous at this point.

p.s. I cant wait until they release the 1000D in 2015 with its 142MP and wireless eyepiece and it'll take advantage of the new ef-z lenses (it will come standard with the 14-2000 f/1 IS). I heard it'll be 32bit and capable of iso 51,200. It also floats and has a built in gyroscopic stabilizer so no need for a tripod.

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p.4 #21 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

talexander wrote:
I think it's mostly designed for law enforcement/legal/medical which require "proof" of original-unaltered images. Don't ask me HOW they can possibly prove it's unaltered (since it's still a file and I imagine if you know the method for detection you could take it) but that's the use.

Tim

That's exactly what it is, and it is a very thourough checksum of some kind. It means that there is electronic proof of content in the image (i.e. not photoshopped to insert/remove content). Very handy for law enforcement, private detectives, and paparazzi alike. By enabling the feature in camera for free, the authentication will always be there in the ORIGINAL image file - which means you have to keep the unedited original as the proof.

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p.4 #22 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Carlton: But still on F/8 central sensor? I'll wait for the 2000D.

Tim

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p.4 #23 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

talexander wrote:
Carlton: But still on F/8 central sensor? I'll wait for the 2000D.

Tim

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm almost considering holding out for the 1dMMMVCIV, I'm sure they're already working on it what with getting the whole auto focus problem under control by 2147.

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p.4 #24 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Carlton Beener wrote:
Alright I'm glad the 40D has finally been confirmed and theres a release date and all that stuff, but please, can we wait until it at least comes out to start speculating on what it's replacement will be. A "50D" or whatever it will be is a minimum 18-20 months away at the least and the technology going into it probably hasn't been introduced into the market yet. It's just ridiculous at this point.

p.s. I cant wait until they release the 1000D in 2015 with its 142MP and wireless eyepiece and it'll take advantage of the new ef-z lenses (it will come standard with the 14-2000 f/1 IS). I heard it'll be 32bit and capable of iso 51,200. It also floats and has a built in gyroscopic stabilizer so no need for a tripod.
I very much disagree!
The 50D is not a 'future camera with spectacular technology we haven't even heard about yet'. It's will, I believe, be a minor update with same sensor (that's the usual way for Canon to do it).

You might not find it interesting, - that's fine. But why be ridiculous and try to stop other people from discussing it?

Just because I don't like taking pictures of flowers doesn't mean I should try to sabotage every discussion about this topic that I hear about.

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p.4 #25 · •Eos 40D Master Thread•

Careful what y'all say...next thing you know, Amazon will post a pre-buy link to the 2000D and then get their hand slapped by Canon again for releasing technical data too early for the marketing heads to spin things so they can get their cut...

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