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p.6 #1 · 40D is for july

DynoMoHum wrote:
If Canon did not add some features that are not in say the Nikon D200, then some might argue that it's not being very competitive in it's own market segment. Surely Canon can come up with some improvements that would at least put it clearly ahead of the D200 wouldn't you think?

Indeed. Big&bright D200 style viewfinder is one thing, modified body design and a few minor updates. I don't believe we'll see 7fps, substantialy better AF (5D's could be better, which is almost identical anyway), live view 3" LCD, 1,3x crop sensor, over 10 mpix etc. But I hope Canon will implement some of the 1D mkIII software adjustments (fine focus, AV range etc). The only thing we can be sure about is, that dust reduction and digic 3 will be implemented.

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Jul 05, 2007 at 09:48 PM

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p.6 #2 · 40D is for july

I just hope they release a 3D with the same great build as the old EOS 3

16 MP and FullFrame would do it for me

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Jul 05, 2007 at 10:13 PM

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p.6 #3 · 40D is for july

The Olympus page is one I extracted from the purported 'leaked' Olympus marketing pdf which is still available for download (Out of curiosity, I tweaked it to see how many places copied it without any attribution ;-)

It was 'hidden' behind some graphics on page 10 and extracted using acrobat ;-)

If it's a fake then someone has far too much spare time - there is a lot of marketing related info on the new Olympus stuff. I'd suspect a deliberate leak to raise the profile of the Oly kit (which it has) It says mid October for the (official) press campaign

Oly PDF download site

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Jul 06, 2007 at 08:54 AM

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p.6 #4 · 40D is for july

Another rumor, regarding 40D specs: ...

Edited by Jeff on Aug 19, 2007 at 07:58 AM GMT

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Jul 13, 2007 at 04:16 PM

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p.6 #5 · 40D is for july

That rumour page is a copycat of the original rumour page:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_40D.html

Ignacio

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Jul 13, 2007 at 04:43 PM

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p.6 #6 · 40D is for july

Well, it's half way through July now and nothing heard so far, methinks it isn't going to change much over the next two weeks.

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Jul 13, 2007 at 05:04 PM

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p.6 #7 · 40D is for july

Nothing is going to happen until rebates end on Monday.

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Jul 13, 2007 at 05:30 PM

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p.6 #8 · 40D is for july

Interesting! Rebates en on Monday and per this guys blog:

http://www.dsmcomunicacion.net/blog/?cat=8

Most consumer (or prosumer) bodies have been announced the third week in August, while pro level bodies have almost always been announced in September.

Interestingly enough the pro level bodies that have been announced in September have always been announced on a Tuesday.

So that blogger goes out on a limb and using his cristal ball sets the 40D announcement on August 23rd.

The same logic would put the release of the Canon 1Ds Mk III on September 25.

Let's see how that goes!

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Jul 13, 2007 at 06:29 PM

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p.6 #9 · 40D is for july

elader wrote:
The only thing I worry about as I sit and wait to buy one, is if it'll have the sensor that is on the XTi. That will be a dissapointment. All I really want in a repalcement to my 20D are:

Features:
ISO in the viewfinder
a bigger (but still bright) display
spot metering for theater

Performance:
less high iso noise/higher dynamic range if possible.
upgraded focusing

They are not likely to do that the pixel size of the 30D and the XTi/rebel are already different, considering this is where the performance in the high iso/noise comes into effect I am sure they would not do that fullstop.

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Jul 16, 2007 at 12:51 PM

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p.6 #10 · 40D is for july

ISO6400 on the 40D will be too much to hope for, particularly if it is a 10mp sensor (which is likely). It will probably be a different sensor from he XTi, with better signal.noise performance.

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Jul 16, 2007 at 02:51 PM

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p.6 #11 · 40D is for july

jaymz73 wrote:
When asked about yet another extention of the 5D rebate till the end of July my shop in Toronto said that their Canon Rep had told them that 2 new bodies are planned for release late this year.... 3D to replace 30D and 7D to replace 5D line up. Annoucements to be officially made in September ....

Its a big canon dealer so I don't know what to think.

this doesn't sound like it makes sense. Based on the canon numbering sequence, why would the 5D be downgraded to a lower model with the 30D being upgraded to a near pro camera. The original EOS 3 was basically a pro camera.

I would think the most likely option is the 30D will be replaced with the 40D and the 5D will remain until next year. The xxD lineup has a good spot for people that want a full size camera that is inexpensive but with some pro-level features

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Jul 16, 2007 at 04:08 PM

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p.6 #12 · 40D is for july

Partial thread drift but Samy's in LA is selling the 30D for $999 if you buy any kind of canon lens with it. This is the in store price! For those of you who know Samy's, they are known to have high in store prices. For them to drop to $999 I would definitely say the 40d is right around the corner. Maybe almost here!

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p.6 #13 · 40D is for july

timbop wrote:
ISO6400 on the 40D will be too much to hope for,

Maybe, but I'm willing to bet that it will have "ISO Expansion" to 6400.

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Jul 16, 2007 at 04:52 PM

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p.6 #14 · 40D is for july

July is 1/2 over, and the 1DMkIII is still a dream to the average photographer.
So, maybe the "40D" will actually be introduced in (delayed to) August or September.

my personal 40D wish list:

1> 10MP
2> 6FPS (up from 5FPS)
3> better AF performance (to give edge on new improved XTi AF )
4> larger LCD monitor (2 3/4") will a 3" LCD fit?
5> larger JPG/RAW budder (always good)

Canon could go upscale with the "40D".......similar to the EOS-3,
where it brings professional-like attributes to an advanced amateur camera.

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Jul 16, 2007 at 05:05 PM

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p.6 #15 · 40D is for july

EOSMIKE,

I believe all your wishes should come through. Add to that sensor cleaning (which is a no-brainer) and live-view, at least according to the only feasible leaks I've seen so far.

Ignacio

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Jul 16, 2007 at 05:17 PM

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p.6 #16 · 40D is for july

Dream on at best you will get the 5D AF, you are not going to see weather sealing. After the 40D the next upgrade will be the 1dsMKIII which is NOT going to happen until the AF issue with the 1dMKIII gets fixed. The 5D will not be upgraded at least for another 12 months.

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Jul 16, 2007 at 05:29 PM

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p.6 #17 · 40D is for july

Who is talking about weathersealing? 5D AF would be an upgrade to the current 30D AF, wouldn't it?

I agree with you, we will see the 40D in August, 1Ds Mk III in September-October and no 5D Mk II (or however it will end up being called) until PMA 2008. Which is good because I'll be looking long and hard at the 5D MkII as a sibling for my 1D Mk III

Ignacio

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Jul 16, 2007 at 05:35 PM

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p.6 #18 · 40D is for july

Gerry Szarek wrote:.........The 5D will not be upgraded at least for another 12 months.

Gerry, I think you are right! 12 months at a minimum before there's a 5D replacement
Why does Canon need to one-up themselves on this totally awesome digital FF niche camera that has not one single competitor in the marketplace.
(except, of course, Canon's own 1Ds MkI and 1Ds MkII)

Canon does not need to introduce a 6D / 5DMkII....
except maybe just because they can!

Edited on Aug 19, 2007 at 04:22 PM

Jul 16, 2007 at 05:59 PM

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p.6 #19 · 40D is for july

I wonder if Canon is going to use the same sensor that they build in 400D or is it going to be slightly different like in 20/30D compared to 350D.

Edited on Aug 19, 2007 at 04:22 PM

Jul 16, 2007 at 08:56 PM

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p.6 #20 · 40D is for july

EOSMIKE wrote:
Gerry Szarek wrote:.........The 5D will not be upgraded at least for another 12 months.

Gerry, I think you are right! 12 months at a minimum before there's a 5D replacement
Why does Canon need to one-up themselves on this totally awesome digital FF niche camera that has not one single competitor in the marketplace.
(except, of course, Canon's own 1Ds MkI and 1Ds MkII)

Canon does not need to introduce a 6D / 5DMkII....

Canon's shareholders might think otherwise. It's the nature of business.

Edited on Aug 19, 2007 at 04:22 PM

Jul 16, 2007 at 10:43 PM

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p.6 #21 · 40D is for july

Pixel Perfect:

Canon shareholders wouldn't want the 6D introduced before it would actually be profitable to do so. How do you know it would be profitable at this time, or at any time

?

I don't know the answer, and I doubt you do either!
(The information that I wrote far above is just my best guess... and trust me, it's a very educated one)

Edited on Aug 19, 2007 at 04:22 PM

Jul 16, 2007 at 10:55 PM

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p.6 #22 · 40D is for july

There is no competition for the 5D, but it's getting old. Expect a minor upgrade like the 20d-->30D upgrade - bigger LCD and dust shaker function, DiGiC 3 as well.

40D...10mp, dust shaker, 3" LCD, DiGiC3 are givens.
Probably better battery life, perhaps a new battery.
better AF would be nice and keep it up with the Jones', i doubt live view or weather sealing but perhaps they'll bring out 2 models....the 5D was a surprise when it showed up if you recall. If Nikon can sell D200s at $1800ish and the pattern canon has had suggests the 40D will retail for 1299 when released, there is a $1000 gap to the 5D...room for a 1.6 crop weather sealed live view unit at $1799.
Only time will tell.

And from the Canon folks i've spoken with it's not what we the users want, but what canon thinks it needs to keep the competetion down. They fear sony, not nikon. A 500XTi with anti shake built in would not be too surprising either, but don't expect that feature to migrate up the model line.

Edited on Aug 19, 2007 at 04:22 PM

Jul 16, 2007 at 11:08 PM

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p.6 #23 · 40D is for july

EOSMIKE wrote:
Pixel Perfect:

Canon shareholders wouldn't want the 6D introduced before it would actually be profitable to do so. How do you know it would be profitable at this time, or at any time

?

I don't know the answer, and I doubt you do either!
(The information that I wrote far above is just my best guess... and trust me, it's a very educated one)

I didn't say I knew the answer; I just mean in business it's expected you upgrade products even if technically there's not much point (although Canon seems to take it's own good time and not offer knee jerk reactions to the competition). The 5D is not a great seller despite it's ability. I see Canon possibly splitting the 5D into two lines: a lower cost version that is basically the 5D minus a feature or two sitting just above $2000 and a new one that is a full on upgrade that will sell for around $3000. That way they start realizing their goal of spreading FF into more market areas, but satisfying those that can afford a top of the line FF but certainly couldn't or wouldn't go for the 1Ds III say. Next year will see Sony at least competing against the 5D IMO; they won't target the DX3 or 1Ds III with their FF of course, so the 5D is most likely target, and one thing for sure it'll be very well specced, think Minolta 9D for inspiration.

I'd be surprised not to see a PMA release or announcement for 5D successor(s).

Edited by Pixel Perfect on Jul 17, 2007 at 08:13 AM GMT

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Jul 16, 2007 at 11:09 PM

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p.6 #24 · 40D is for july

timbop wrote:
ISO6400 on the 40D will be too much to hope for, particularly if it is a 10mp sensor (which is likely). It will probably be a different sensor from he XTi, with better signal.noise performance.
A different sensor with a higher IQ would be nice, whatever mp that will be. I would like to see 12mp but 10mp would be fine if it has increased IQ and less noise.

Edited on Aug 19, 2007 at 04:22 PM

Jul 16, 2007 at 11:11 PM

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p.6 #25 · 40D is for july

Pixel Perfect:

I think you are dreaming in techni-colour!
don't you think TWO (2) full frame sensor dSLRs from Canon is enough

NO body else has even one, and now you want Canon to have THREE!

The 5D is a great camera, but not a "HOT" seller for these main reasons:
1> it's price (you can spend a little more and get a 1D2)
2> for most people a dREB or 30D is all they really need
3> it's a niche dSLR that suits a relatively small group of Pixel Perfect Peeper People (sorry, couldn't help myself.. hey, now say that fast ten times).
That truth is good, because that makes it a very unique product.

Edited on Aug 19, 2007 at 04:22 PM

Jul 17, 2007 at 12:16 AM


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