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Does your MkIII have autofocus problems?
Yes, it absolutely has a focusing problem
No, it seems to work fine (similar to previous 1-Series bodies)
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p.5 #1 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


woh!
as I've seen the poll results, it means that close to 55% experienced bad AF.
One question to those who had bad AF or some other bad issues:

would you recommend to wait or buy the MarkIII and hope Canon will fix it?

I,ve been waiting the mark3 box for few months.
Now I think I should go with the 1D markII N
I especially needs the 8.5 f/sec

any suggestions, advices?

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p.5 #2 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


This picture was shot last Sunday. A few of the burst were in focus.

A few minutes before, on another stomp next to this one, where I had shot a Tri-colored Heron perching, a couple of the ducks landed, hovering, one after the other, taking their sweet time in front of me.
I pumped and pumped the focus and not ONCE was I able to shoot because it never acquired focus.

And the OOF pics on sky have happened to me too, at 2000 s/s, with a bird moer than 75% feeling the frame and being the only object the camera could focus on.

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Jun 22, 2007 at 08:39 PM
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p.5 #3 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


rd4tile wrote:
Are you thinking I should turn focus search off?


No, I'd leave it ON. That way, if the camera does lose focus, it will try to regain it.


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Jun 22, 2007 at 08:47 PM
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rd4tile wrote:
Sorry I didn't answer your last question. That one's off CP but I have quite a few that imagebrowser is showing the CP being right on the bird with same results.


What about the images right before the ones that are off?

Perhaps you're in focus, then the center AF point moves off the subject, and after that (even after you've put the AF point back on the subject), the camera can't seem to recover and find the right focus again?

Like you, I'm at a loss to explain it. However, I haven't seen it on my camera . . yet . . but I haven't shot in bright daylight conditions,either.

My camera has certainly mis-focused, but so far, I can always (at least potentially) blame it on the camera picking up something in the background.


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p.5 #5 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


What do you guys think about those photos?
http://www.prophotohome.com/forum/pro-photo-reviews-articles/73606-canon-1d-mark-iii-full-review-updated.html?garpg=8
To me they look supersoft. Focus maybe okay, but just very,very soft.
Stefan

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Jun 22, 2007 at 09:41 PM
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JeanYves Ahern wrote:
woh!
as I've seen the poll results, it means that close to 55% experienced bad AF.
One question to those who had bad AF or some other bad issues:

any suggestions, advices?


I get a different reading from the poll. It looks like 83 have commented about the AF issue in one way or the other...discounting the "Not Sure" vote. (I don't even see why the "just results" counts in the poll.)

As 55 of the 83 responders have issues with the AF, that would be 66% or 2 out of every 3 1DIII owners that have responded. Far above what are actually hitting repair service.

Yet Canon Service in Irvine apparently appears to be unaware of the problem, but the national 800# for repair service does.

One of the first to return 2 defective 1DIIIs has a friend that just got a perfect one.

I guess it is very random and if you are lucky in Vegas...go for it.

Joe Sesto
Nipomo, California

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Jun 22, 2007 at 09:48 PM
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JoeSesto wrote:
JeanYves Ahern wrote:
woh!
as I've seen the poll results, it means that close to 55% experienced bad AF.
One question to those who had bad AF or some other bad issues:

any suggestions, advices?


I get a different reading from the poll. It looks like 83 have commented about the AF issue in one way or the other...discounting the "Not Sure" vote. (I don't even see why the "just results" counts in the poll.)

As 55 of the 83 responders have issues with the AF, that would be 66% or 2 out of every 3 1DIII owners that have responded. Far above what are actually hitting repair service.

Yet Canon Service in Irvine apparently appears to be unaware of the problem, but the national 800# for repair service does.

One of the first to return 2 defective 1DIIIs has a friend that just got a perfect one.

I guess it is very random and if you are lucky in Vegas...go for it.

Joe Sesto
Nipomo, California


Could you elaborate on your friend's camera? Has he shot with the new one long enough to know for sure that it focuses the way it should? Does he shoot sports? Thanks



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Jun 23, 2007 at 01:39 AM
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p.5 #8 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


I reported my difficulties with AI Servo and Fast Frame rates and lack of consistant auto focus to Canon, Canon told me to send the body to a Canon Factory Service Center, it's at Canon in Honolulu, the Service Tech there said he wanted to check it out and then It will probably go to Irvine....

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Jun 23, 2007 at 01:41 AM
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Some of the comparisons are invalid. The dog shots---- comparing different cameras---the focus points appear to be different.

Stefan wrote:
What do you guys think about those photos?
http://www.prophotohome.com/forum/pro-photo-reviews-articles/73606-canon-1d-mark-iii-full-review-updated.html?garpg=8
To me they look supersoft. Focus maybe okay, but just very,very soft.
Stefan



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Jun 23, 2007 at 01:45 AM
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Man I just don’t know what to say. I have been keeping up with the focusing issues reported here and I have to say i have had no problems as of yet. I have shot indoor outdoor in one shot servo, 5 frames per second 10 frames per second and the camera has not missed a beat. I feel like now every time I shoot I expect something to go wrong. I hope it is just a small amount of cameras with this issue. I thank my lucky stars it has not happened to me yet.

Good luck
Bruce


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Jun 23, 2007 at 02:42 AM
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p.5 #11 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


ben_is_in wrote:
JoeSesto wrote:
One of the first to return 2 defective 1DIIIs has a friend that just got a perfect one.



Could you elaborate on your friend's camera? Has he shot with the new one long enough to know for sure that it focuses the way it should? Does he shoot sports? Thanks



Sorry to confuse you Ben...it wasn't my 1DIIIs, but a wedding pro's over at DPR.

The pro got 2 - 1DIIIs with defective AF and rec'd authorization to return them to Canon.

The pro's friend received his own IDIII that he showed the pro and apparently the friend's 1DIII AF worked properly.

Sort of a tiny sampling that validates the roughly 2 out of 3 failure rate in the FM poll.

Do a search over there for billymokdad the subject will be obvious. I get the idea that FM doesn't like links to DPR as I posted one in a previous message and it disappeared.


Joe Sesto
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Jun 23, 2007 at 02:54 AM
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Bruce Sawle wrote:
Man I just don’t know what to say. I have been keeping up with the focusing issues reported here and I have to say i have had no problems as of yet. I have shot indoor outdoor in one shot servo, 5 frames per second 10 frames per second and the camera has not missed a beat. I feel like now every time I shoot I expect something to go wrong. I hope it is just a small amount of cameras with this issue. I thank my lucky stars it has not happened to me yet.

Good luck
Bruce



One shot servo?

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Jun 23, 2007 at 04:01 AM
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p.5 #13 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


I think I have finally come to grips with the "focus problems".

As far as I am concerned, focus problems do not exist for me.

I can duplicate most of the problems as illustrated by Rob Galbraith. However, since I almost never shoot multi-frame sequences, I virtually never need additional frames for the money shot. I always shoot show jumping, speed skating, rowing, motorcycle races as a single shot capture. I do this with the 1D-III, 1D-IIn and the 5D - no shooting style change is needed when switching cameras.

For example, I was shooting the show jumping events at Spruce Meadows - the others using the 1D-III were shooting in 3-5 frame bursts and noted focus issues (as Rob mentioned). I, on the other hand, did not notice any problems since I only shot one image - as Rob indicates, the first shot is virtually always "perfect".

To ensure I can get decent disaster shots, I leave the camera in AI-Servo mode, the drive is set to "L" and have the low frame rate set at 5fps. Although I only shoot one frame normally, this allows most falls to be properly recorded (although 10fps might be help here). So far, I only have one show jumping fall (in the rain). All of the 8 images were fine - although soft because of the rain.

I shoot a large amount of theatre, dance, and music. The 1D-III is much better in very low light focus than the 1D-IIn. The 1D-IIn gets progressively worse as light is lowered. The 1D-III easily matches the low light precision focus of my old Nikon system and is even better than the 5D which is also an amazing performer for what and how I shoot.

Thus - I can comfortably say "the focus problem with the 1D-III do not exist".

The only issue mentioned by Rob that I could not duplicate was the "back light focus". I will have to try harder to duplicate this.

As to other attributes of the 1D-III images, I do have a couple of images that are soft and I have no real explanation. If this is an issue with how the 1D-III controls IS, I will shoot tomorrow with IS off at see what happens.

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Jun 23, 2007 at 05:33 AM
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Tony, that may be my situation too. Hard to say but I rarely shoot more than 3 shot bursts so have not noticed the problem.

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Jun 23, 2007 at 05:37 AM
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p.5 #15 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


Jeff wrote:
Yakim Peled wrote:
To Jeff and Fred,

Is it possible to update the polls so that the "I just want to view the results" option will not be counted in the poll statistics?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


Not possible. Just ignore the last category, and approximate the math yourself. It's not too hard...


No, it's not too hard but I was wondering if it could be made easier.
O.K. I'll manage……

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Jun 23, 2007 at 06:35 AM
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Rate seems to be constant. Of all Mk III voters half are sure their body has problems, a quarter is sure their body does not have any problems and the last quarter is not sure.

I think it is very alarming and indicates a real problem. I'm holding off my purchase for a few months. My Mk I is still fine….

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


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Jun 23, 2007 at 07:19 AM
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I just sent mine back to the dealer yesterday, I have another one on order which I am canceling! I shoot Birds in flight small ones that is first one would be sharp from a burst then after that everything was out of focus! when it was cloudy I had all to do to focus on the bird

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Jun 23, 2007 at 11:09 AM
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If this test hadn't come up I wouldn't have thought twice about OOF frames in a burst, I get those all the time with my Mark IIs too. Partly I'm sure it's because I'm not a very good photographer, I tend to wave the focus point around a bit in my haste to take action pictures, and my hands aren't all that steady. Partly I'm sure no AF system can be 100% and not be fooled by various things like lack of contrast, bright objects etc. I get the feeling the Mark III is more sensitive and quick to react so maybe it takes more attention when using it, like driving a full on race car as opposed to a sports coupe.

My Mark III seems no worse than my Mark IIs - just a gut feeling, I've made no serious test - but there's indications at least some cameras do have problems and if there's a fix from Canon I'll of course install it. Until then it's a great camera and so far I've not really been able to blame my camera for any bad shots.

Tomorrow I'm shooting karting and I'll take a few sequences with both cameras just to see if I can spot any difference.

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Jun 23, 2007 at 11:27 AM
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fabiolad wrote:
Bruce Sawle wrote:
Man I just don’t know what to say. I have been keeping up with the focusing issues reported here and I have to say i have had no problems as of yet. I have shot indoor outdoor in one shot servo, 5 frames per second 10 frames per second and the camera has not missed a beat. I feel like now every time I shoot I expect something to go wrong. I hope it is just a small amount of cameras with this issue. I thank my lucky stars it has not happened to me yet.

Good luck
Bruce



One shot servo?



one shot and also servo mode


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Jun 23, 2007 at 12:14 PM
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FretNoMore wrote:
If this test hadn't come up I wouldn't have thought twice about OOF frames in a burst, I get those all the time with my Mark IIs too. Partly I'm sure it's because I'm not a very good photographer, I tend to wave the focus point around a bit in my haste to take action pictures, and my hands aren't all that steady. Partly I'm sure no AF system can be 100% and not be fooled by various things like lack of contrast, bright objects etc. I get the feeling the Mark III is more sensitive and quick to react so maybe it takes more attention when using it, like driving a full on race car as opposed to a sports coupe.

My Mark III seems no worse than my Mark IIs - just a gut feeling, I've made no serious test - but there's indications at least some cameras do have problems and if there's a fix from Canon I'll of course install it. Until then it's a great camera and so far I've not really been able to blame my camera for any bad shots.

Tomorrow I'm shooting karting and I'll take a few sequences with both cameras just to see if I can spot any difference.



I think we're in the same boat . . that, plus the fact that I mainly shoot in LOW LIGHT, without taking bursts, means that I haven't really noticed an issue with the 1D-III at all.

Sometimes it pays to be a bad photographer?

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Jun 23, 2007 at 02:57 PM
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Perhaps a revelation here. Popular thinking says to either leave the MkIII focusing speed to either the default, or to slow it down. The following quote from LesZ on Naturescapes.net indicates this could be EXACTLY THE WRONG THING to do when using wxpanded focus points or the "ring of fire".


Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:22 am on Naturescapes.

QUOTE:

" I really didn't do a very good job, in my post above, of explaining what I'm seeing with CF III-2. I just ran another series of tests with different settings, and I'll try to do a better job of explaining. I was shooting a rapidly moving subject that filled a good part, not not nearly all of the viewfinder. The subject was moving toward me in an erratic fashion, and, to make the challenge more difficult, the background was quite busy. The camera was set to the selected center point with expansion to all surrounding points. I first tried several bursts of shots with CF III-2 set to the moderately fast position. Then, I shot several bursts with CF III-2 set to the moderately slow position. I looked at all of the pictures in ZoomBrowser, with the focus point visible. With CF III-2 set to the moderately fast setting, every picture that I took where the center focus point or one of surrounding points was on the subject (24 pictures) was sharply in focus, and every one of the 4 pictures that was not in focus was one where neither the center point or any of the surrounding points was on the subject. So, the camera seemed to be working the way I would want it to work. With the moderately slow position, however, the 14 pictures that were in focus were all ones where the center point or a surrounding point was on the subject (as you would expect). However, with the 12 pictures that were not in focus, 3 were ones where none of the active focus points were on the subject, but the other 9 were ones where the focus point or a surrounding point was, in fact, on the subject. So, what that tells me is that, with the slower setting, the camera was not switching from one of the active focus points to another quickly enough to keep the subject in focus. However, with the faster setting, it was switching from one active point to another fast enough to keep the subject in focus, which is, obviously what you would want.

Again, even though I was using the center point with focus point expansion, the same principle should apply to 45 point focus. Additionally, what is helping me significantly to figure out what is happening and why is happening is to make use of ZoomBrowser's ability to show the focus point, and, what I'm finding is that, with the faster focus tracking setting, even with a subject moving toward me and a busy background, the camera is switching from one focus point to another as it should. With the slower focus tracking speed, it is not. And, as I said above, the neutral position on the 1DIII seems to set to a similar speed as the slow or moderately slow speed on the 1DII, and that is consistent with what it said in the link to the dPreview thread.

Les "

END OF QUOTE ( From LesZ on Naturescapes.net )




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Hmmm, interesting observation.

I wonder if RobG tried the faster setting for CF III-2

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Of course, what we NEED is a setting that tells the camera to switch to a new focus SLOWLY when focus is already on the subject, but to switch QUICKLY if the focus is not currently on the subject.

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Perhaps this means that a firmware update could indeed tweak these settings. I guess if Les is write, the mechanism is ok. Mark

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hfillmore wrote:
Perhaps a revelation here. Popular thinking says to either leave the MkIII focusing speed to either the default, or to slow it down. The following quote from Les2 on Naturescapes.net indicates this could be EXACTLY THE WRONG THING to do when using wxpanded focus points or the "ring of fire".



Just a nitpick, but it's LesZ, not Les2...

Anyway, if you're photographing BIF or a situation were you are only ever concerned with the closest subject matter being in focus, and rarely deal with a closer obstruction to that subject (typical for BIF), then his suggestion makes a lot of sense. It's actually quite logical when you think about it. However, if you shoot stuff like field sports where there are often players running in front of the player you want to focus on, this will not help at all. Yesterday I photographed a football game and found I had to set CF III-2 to Slow and even then it was usually too fast to shift focus off of the desired subject and onto the closer obstruction. In such instances I'd like to see a Very Slow option. But this situation is the opposite to BIF. My desired subject is somewhere in the middle. It's not the background and it's also not often the closest to the camera.

A question I have though is whether Slow would be good enough if I wasn't using single point AF with AF point expansion. Because the obstructing players tend to be quite large, the entire AF point and expansion points are blocked for some time, forcing the AF to shift. If I switch to 45 point auto selection, even on the Slow setting, the system might ignore a large partial obstruction. It's just a matter of trying this out again. There is also the question of how CF III-4 might affect performance in such situations.

BTW, my results from the football game were generally very good. Definitely not worse than if I had only used a Mark II N. I shot with these settings: CF III-2 set to Moderately Slow but then later changed to Slow, CF III-8-2 active and used the center point exclusively during action primarily because I was using a 600mm f/4 while it was bright enough and wanted to get cross sensor sensitivity. AND, I switched to 8 fps motor drive rather than 10. After only one game I'm not totally convinced that 8 vs. 10 fps made a significant difference, but sequences were generally well focused, including many very strongly backlit situations. It was a 7pm start and the sun obviously was quite low on the horizon, often shining into the lens causing some flare issues.

When shooting with the sun behind me and a 1.4x TC on the 600, from a purely technical perspective, I managed to get some of the best focused sports results I've ever had with that combination. AF performance seemed to be very consistent frame to frame. Perhaps this is because a TC slows down the AF and thus mellows out the sometimes hyper Mark III AF behavior - but it's just a guess.

Because it was a 7 pm start there were no significant temperature related issues compared to the RG claim. It was around 22-23 Celsius, somewhat windy, and no issues at all with heat rising off the artificial turf surface interfering with AF accuracy. Shooting with the late evening sun produced some very nice results while the light lasted.

Edit:

After a much closer inspection of every frame, I am still seeing some focusing weirdness. I photographed the pregame warm-ups, which started around 6 pm and shot both with the sun and backlit. Shooting with the sun, many images were acceptably sharp (for newspaper repro) but not necessarily *critically* sharp. The acceptably sharp images look decent and considering that the 600 is not quite as sharp as the 400, (I used the 600 most of the time), I initially considered that to be the reason. But... about 20% of the images are very sharp, which leads me to believe there is something fishy going on. Either the lens is slightly off or it's the camera. The pregame photos were basically extended sequences of a single player catching or running with the ball at the camera, or standing around "portraits." Backlit was OK but still a fair number I consider to be off, primarily slightly back focused when players were moving.

As for game action results, I imagine some of what I have seen in the pregame images affected those as well, but considering the nature of game action vs. pregame, it's rare to get a long burst off without obstruction from other players on field, causing AF to shift, inaccurate AF point placement due to erratic player movement, camera/lens induced blurring due to improper panning with the subject, etc.., so I stand by my earlier statement that those results don't appear to be much different from the Mark II N.

Camera Ser. # is 505xxx.

Here are a couple 100% crops of what I mean by acceptably sharp vs. very sharp.
http://www.pbase.com/scheffler/iii_focus2

Edited by rscheffler on Jun 24, 2007 at 04:40 PM GMT

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