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Does your MkIII have autofocus problems?
Yes, it absolutely has a focusing problem PollPollPoll 100 8%
No, it seems to work fine (similar to previous 1-Series bodies) PollPollPoll 64 5%
I'm not sure yet PollPollPoll 49 4%
[I just want to see the results...] PollPollPoll 1091 84%
Total Votes 1304 100%

Archive 2007 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?

  
 
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rd4tile wrote:
Thanks for your reply. Would you normally expect a full sequence shot with the IIn using 45pt to all be in focus? (honest question!) or would there typically be a few frames Oof.


One interesting thing I noted in reviewing all my shots two nights ago is that for the sequences that had problems, ImageBrowser confirmed that the OOF shots usually had no AF point highlighted. Interestingly, this most often happened when the first shot in the sequence was soft, and this usually only happened when it (also) showed no focusing point used. It makes me wonder if maybe I was being sloppy at the beginning of a sequence, and not getting it locked before I started firing. I was shooting my kids playing in the surf, so I very easily could have been a bit hasty when I saw something that I wanted to capture.

Now, in all my sequences, I found two isolated instances of grossly OOF shots, either preceded or followed by in focus shots. In these cases, I think ImageBrowser did show a focus point was chosen, oddly. This would appear to be an error, I would think. I wish I had been a bit more critical and specific when shooting, but I didn't (at the time) think I was 'testing' the camera.

The bottom line is that I need to get very detailed about trying several of the Custom Functions related to focusing, in particular C.Fn III-3, as it would appear that either the default "0" (AF priority/tracking priority) option isn't behaving properly, or it is and requires some other tweak of a different C.Fn to allow it to work as advertised.

That being said, the results are still at least as good as from the 1Ds, if not better. Considering it was my first few days with a new camera with mostly 'stock' settings out of the box, I still point the finger more at me and my lack of experience with the camera, more than at the camera itself.



Jun 21, 2007 at 02:40 PM
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p.3 #2 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


I have gone about as far as I am prepared to go with my Mark 3. I have confirmed with the dealer that I will return it for a full refund as soon as I can get to the store.

My Mark 3 arrived on the 1st June, today - the 21st June, is the last time this Mark 3 will be used by me. Apparently there is no stock of Mark 3's in the UK so exchange is out of the question unless I am prepared to wait quite some time. Return really does seem the best option at this point.

90% of my photography is based on shooting moving objects; wildlife, military airshows and motorsport. I have racked up about 3000 shots during the time I have had the Mark 3. At the beginning I just had a feeling, that the camera wasn't able to maintain a focus lock while tracking a moving object (bird/aircraft/racecar) but I initially put this down to user error, lack of familiarity with a new body. After multiple outings with the body I am now convinced that it is the body and not user error. I have experimented with all the custom settings, believe it or not, I found the defaults to work the best, slowing the focus tracking down made the focus sluggish, speeding it up, made the focus even more hyper.

Today I was at Silverstone shooting the final day of Formula 1 testing. I took my Mark 3 and trusty 300/2.8 IS lens. F1 is always a good test of how well a camera focusses since the cars accelerate to high speeds in no time at all making panning shots a real challenge and change direction quickly without warning. I took over a 1000 shots today, panning shots with the car entering from the frame from right to left and many many head on shots. My standard settings for this are centre point AF and servo mode.

Imagine this scenario - over and over again. You hear the car down shifting coming to the end of the straight, you are already in position, the car emerges into view and you lock onto it, tracking the car smoothly (giving the IS time to settle down and AI servo time to lock on) through 2 low speed bends before it arrives fully in front of you. As it begins to turn, your focus point is pretty much static on the drivers head and you shoot a burst of frames, 5 to 7 normally. On to the next car, and the next. The only trend I saw today is that the very first frame is ALWAYS in focus, deadly sharp in fact. Frames 2 to 6 are either sharp or unfocussed with no pattern, and yes, sometimes there is a focus placement problem on my part where the car jinks or something and the focus point ends up over the engine cowling, though this is easy to see. What is not at all clear is why so many frames are unfocussed, ever so slightly but enough to make the images useless. They are not front focussed or back focussed, no point in the image is focussed. It almost feelings like there is some multi-tasking problem within the camera ie as soon as you shoot a burst of frames and the buffer begins to fill and then write to the card (I always use Extreme 4 4gb CFs btw) that the camera suddenly is not able to focus properly. This is my feeling and I have nothing technical to back this up other than if I repeat the exercise in single shot drive mode but still using AI Servo focussing, nearly all the images are deadly sharp so in my opinion, and I am no professional, the problem seems only to occur in AI servo mode AND when shooting bursts of frames.

I hope people find this useful, or perhaps can use this information to go off and test their Mark 3's.

Photography is not my primary income and thus I can no longer justify a £3000 investment in a body which offers no better focus accuracy than my 1D2N, in the ways I have mentioned I feel it is worse. Other than this, the Mark 3 is perfect, at least for the type of shooting I do. High ISO capability is wonderful, as is how easy it is to control and customise functions you regularly use. For now, until these issues are fixed one way or the other, I will part company with the Mark 3 and go back to my well used 1D2N, and be happy that the camera won't miss so many shots, but a little sad that the 1D3 in it's current state is not the camera I had so hoped for.

Alistair



Jun 21, 2007 at 03:18 PM
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p.3 #3 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


Interstingly enough, supply here in the US seems to have dried up in the last few weeks. How do I know? I received ONE of my two that were on order from Pitman Photo Supply about 3 weeks ago. I haven't received my second one yet. I've confirmed that I still have the order in with them, and that I'm first (or was it second?) on the list for getting my next copy.

I wonder if that means that Canon *does* think there's a problem, and isn't shipping out any more until it's resolved?



Jun 21, 2007 at 03:34 PM
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DavidP, My brother just got a replacment camera in from Normans Camera today, It was shipped to them at 11am. I don't know how many cameras they had come in but atleast one I know of. He had his replaced because he noticed a dead pixel in the LCD when we bought them. Maybe the stock of new supplies is going to the people for replacments


Jun 21, 2007 at 03:50 PM
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Alistair101 wrote:
......They are not front focussed or back focussed, no point in the image is focussed. It almost feelings like there is some multi-tasking problem within the camera ie as soon as you shoot a burst of frames and the buffer begins to fill and then write to the card (I always use Extreme 4 4gb CFs btw) that the camera suddenly is not able to focus properly. This is my feeling and I have nothing technical to back this up other than if I repeat the exercise in single shot drive mode but still using AI Servo focussing, nearly all
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Jun 21, 2007 at 04:15 PM
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DavidP wrote:
Interstingly enough, supply here in the US seems to have dried up in the last few weeks. How do I know? I received ONE of my two that were on order from Pitman Photo Supply about 3 weeks ago. I haven't received my second one yet. I've confirmed that I still have the order in with them, and that I'm first (or was it second?) on the list for getting my next copy.

I wonder if that means that Canon *does* think there's a problem, and isn't shipping out any more until it's resolved?



DavidP, are you in Miami?



Jun 21, 2007 at 04:15 PM
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p.3 #7 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


So it seems that we, Canon users, are either clients and Canon Workers since we buy the gear and do the tests they should have done and report the mistakes for the to fix.

Jaime
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Jun 21, 2007 at 04:17 PM
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p.3 #8 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


Update by Rob on his story today.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9006#june21





Jun 21, 2007 at 04:21 PM
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p.3 #9 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


fabiolad wrote:
DavidP, are you in Miami?


Nope, Houston.



Jun 21, 2007 at 04:21 PM
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DavidP wrote:
Nope, Houston.


OK, we have a Pitman in Kendall, it counfused me

Thanks!



Jun 21, 2007 at 04:27 PM
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p.3 #11 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


Tim Larson wrote:
EXACTLY!
The same thing happened to me while doing the paintball stuff. Not front or back focussed. The entire frame was out of focus. Strange as heck. Strange enough to make me wonder about my lens.
Frustrating.


It is not likely to be the lens. I have been speaking to CPS during the week and I confirmed that with my 2 most used lenses (300/2.8 L IS and 500/4 L IS) both work perfectly on my 1D2N in single shot and servo mode, and critically, both generate superb images on my Mark 3 in one shot focus mode. This rules out any calibration issue and CPS agree. Just as soon as you engage Servo focussing and high speed drive mode, this problem occurs, for me at least.



Jun 21, 2007 at 04:38 PM
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fabiolad wrote:
Trying to be fair and clear, the image quality of the Mark III and the high iso capabilty rocks.
But to me the Autofocus is not acceptable at $4500.00

The old saying: If it ain't broke, don't fix it, applies to the previous AF system.
I have an important trip next week and will be takoing both cameras, after I come back, will probably send the III back for service.


But you sold your Mark II ?



Jun 21, 2007 at 04:50 PM
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But you sold your Mark II ?


No, I still have it



Jun 21, 2007 at 04:56 PM
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fabiolad wrote:
OK, we have a Pitman in Kendall, it counfused me

Thanks!


Yep, that's the one David means.



Jun 21, 2007 at 05:26 PM
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Having almost 50% of the camera's out there with errors is not a good thing. Several things could have happened, first Canon could have got a bad batch of parts, second they could have assembled them wrong (don't laugh this happens alot in industry), and lastly it could be a firmware error (this is the best case senario). My vote is for 1 or 2, you can be sure that canon would of tested this in the alpha and beta stages, the with the first set that went out to the super users ie SI and the big newspaper outfits so this type of error would of been found and fixed.

I strongly recommend that everybody test their camera, hopefully you haven't sold the old one yet. If it's 1 or 2 you are going need to send the camera to canon for servicing.

Good luck,
Gerry



Jun 21, 2007 at 06:10 PM
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fabiolad wrote:
OK, we have a Pitman in Kendall, it counfused me

Thanks!


You're not confused. That's the Pitman that I ordered from.

I got both my 1D-II's, there, too.



Jun 21, 2007 at 06:55 PM
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Alistair101 wrote:
What is not at all clear is why so many frames are unfocussed, ever so slightly but enough to make the images useless. They are not front focussed or back focussed, no point in the image is focussed.

Alistair


That's what's bothering me with the 400 f5.6L, static shots in one shot AF are sharp where anything moving in aiservo looks as you describe. I've gone as high as 1/6400th on the shutter and nothing seems to help.



Jun 21, 2007 at 07:04 PM
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p.3 #18 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


As someone above already noted, Rob Galbraith updated his article on the focus issues.

the skinny: He's sticking by his well-reasoned conclusion that the Id3 has a design defect in the AF and further notes that he has received a mountain of email from 1d3 owners concurring that they too have found the problem.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9006#june21




Jun 21, 2007 at 07:59 PM
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p.3 #19 · Does your MkIII have AF issues?


Mine seems to be working just fine. Just after I got it, I put it through the usual paces, tracking birds and such, but I'm really not using it as a sports or wildlife (well - not the 4 legged variety) camera, so its possible there could be an issue I haven't discovered.

What's really important to me is the camera's extraordinary ability to lock on to focus in low available light (in single shot mode) and deliver very satisfying IQ that my clients really like.

I knew what I was getting into by being near the front of the line and have no regrets. I remember clearly that I had to send my then-new D2X back to Nikon for a circuit board replacement to solve an image corruption problem. The D2X was even more money than the 1D3.

I don't even want to talk about my experience with the Leica M8!!!

I have confidence that Canon will sort things out. Meantime I use the camera productively nearly every day and no way/no how would I return it.



Jun 21, 2007 at 08:14 PM
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Returning it is excactly what canon has told me to do if I was having focus troubles. Look's like for right now thats the standard reply if you tell them you have trouble with the focus


Jun 21, 2007 at 09:13 PM
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