I think this thread is more of a Post-1D3 Discussion thread than a Post-PMA thread. That said, my wishes have all come true in the 1D3... maybe Canon wants to delay the Next Big Thing to maximise "impact"?
Joel Slack wrote:
I understand the "I didn't get what I wanted for my birthday" sentiment among 30D users or 5D users or those who wanted a new long lens, but time is going to pass and everyone is going to get a product they want. Believe me, Canon wants everyone's money. They simply are not going to release every new product at once, and everyone isn't going to get the camera/lens of their dreams right this instant.
I think a little patience and perspective will result in happy times for everybody, but surely you can understand that Canon has a business strategy that isn't always going to align with every single customer's personal preference---how could it??
You can't please all the people all the time, it isn't physically possible. Even if the DIII isn't your own dream camera, you should be happy about the terrific design and features as it will certainly bode well for future camera releases. I would have preferred an updated 5D, but this camera kicks so much serious butt that I can't even muster the disappointment necessary to take away from my appreciation of the new DIII. This really is a great camera!! Way beyond the incremental tweaking that we sometimes see.
Well done, Canon. (now get me my 5D Mark II or 1Ds3!)...Show more →
My thoughts exactly...
lordcarl wrote:
Those kits are only for UK market. Part of Canon EOS System's 20th anniversary promotion by Canon UK, not available elsewhere. Each country where Canon has a market share, the promotional style varies from one to the other.
Having different Canon promotions in different countries in Europe gives in principle more freedom of choice for customers at least inside EU.
In UK there are several kits with 5D, but one of them (5D + 24-105 f/4) has a different (white) box. That is because it is the same kit which has been available already for more than a year, whereas the other (red boxed) kits are new. The current (Finnish) price of the old kit is 609 EUR more expensive than the camera alone.
Just seen the prices for the 1dIII - $3999, and £3049 in the UK. This sort of thing really grates - by my reckoning $3999 translates to roughly £2100 - don't know what sort of sales tax there is in the US, but assuming there isn't any add on 17.5% VAT in the UK takes the equivalent price to £2500 - this implies a 20% increase in price.
Is there a similar differential in the rest of Western Europe or is it just us saps in the UK who are having to fork out for these rip off price differentials
Looks like i shall be buying my new camera gear in my December trip to the States
I agree as well -- even when you buy Books on which there is no tax of any kind you often see prices like US 15.00 (dollars) UK 13.99 (Pounds). Since the pound is a tad under 2 US dollars this is RIP OFF BIG TIME.
I buy books directly now from Amazon US and even with shipping / postage the price is STILL cheaper than the UK price.
I understand why prices are (or could be) a little higher in the UK -- Sales tax in the US varies but is never more than around 8% - correct me if I'm wrong someone from that side of the pond -- and US prices are shown NOT including TAX.
UK prices include the VAT which exaggerates the difference quite a lot.
Taking acount of higher sales volumes in the US and probably higher shipping and distribution costs to Europe I could justify say a 7% price difference but 20% --no way.
Remember however that the Street price in the UK will be less --after the initial flurry of "New adopters" people like Park Cameras I'm sure will hobble together a decebt deal.
I'm in Hong Kong over Easter --hopefully I can pick up one there.
A German dealer ac-foto.com already shows the 1D3 as EUR 4.292 + 111 for UPS COD shipping to "England" (no UK listed as a country). This includes the German VAT (of 19%). With currency rate 1.49, this results in £2.955 at your door in UK.
Somebody needs to explain to me why a stable product market that doesn't change every six months is a bad thing. Most people complaining that "Canon didn't come out with a camera personalized for me" probably aren't going to buy a new camera anyway.
And the ones worried that Canon is going to go out of business every time some company comes out with a new entry-level DSLR aren't looking beyond their computer monitor. From the 5D up in the product line, Canon has no competition
The competition for any product is always at the entry level where the price is lowest and more people can afford to buy. It's why they sell more Chevys than Cadillacs. Good luck.
Not to rub salt in the wound, but here in the states if you buy something mail order and the company does not have a presence in your state you don't pay the sales tax. B&H is in new york and I live in new jersey (they are seperated by the hudson river), and I don't pay tax. That's why the prices are listed without tax; the tax is determined by state. Theoretically you are supposed to keep track of such purchases and pay an additional tax at the end of the year. The down side is that if I drive across the bridge and visit their store to pick out my lens I do have to pay the 8% NY sales tax.
Koivulehto wrote:
A German dealer ac-foto.com already shows the 1D3 as EUR 4.292 + 111 for UPS COD shipping to "England" (no UK listed as a country). This includes the German VAT (of 19%). With currency rate 1.49, this results in £2.955 at your door in UK.
If this is going to be the real price in EU and I think so (around the 4K but in €), I hope B&H is going to fill up their stocks with 1D MkIII´s at $4K, because 4$K -->>> €3.075, for this price I can fly to NYC, buy the cam, saty the week end in the city, come back and still I did not wast all the cost of the cam here !!!
For me, even more exciting is Canon getting its act together on the flash system. I'm sick with jealously over the Nikon speelights at times. I just hope the external sync option trickles down into all the flashes. It would also be nice if the price of the current 580EX comes down a bit...I've always thought it was way too expensive for what it is...for less money you can get metz systems that are a bit more versatile, aka rechargable batteries, handheld option, etc. I'm just glad to see in this area, Canon's at least attempting to get up to speed.
EB-1 wrote:
Long, sad and frustrating. What did we do before the internet and instant news to complain about? I did not even know what PMA was 30 years ago.
EB
Well, for one thing we didn't expect our camera models to be replaced every year or two. More like every 5 years, so there was much less to fret about.
> Somebody needs to explain to me why a stable product market that doesn't change every six months is a bad thing. Most people complaining that "Canon didn't come out with a camera personalized for me" probably aren't going to buy a new camera anyway.
Because some of us are using equipment which in our opinions is marginal - I'm still using a 10d because I can't justify the cost of upgrading to a 30d based on the few extra features it offers. That means I'm stuck with a camera that takes an eternity to start up, and writes to cards about as fast as I write to slates ;)
As for the money side. I've already got the $$$ ready for a 40d sitting in the bank. I set them aside when I knew the 30d was due, since I desperately want a replacement. Unfortunately the 1D3 is simply too expensive for me. It's also a bit heavy... 5d is tempting, but again it's more expensive.
Canon cameras (and flashes) have only national warranties, even though normally bought lenses have international warranties. However, this is a minor flaw in the business case of camera shopping tourism: a major flaw is that it is profitable only if you smuggle the products to your home country and are not caught while doing it.
The MKII has issues that Canon could not fix, the MKIIn was the fix but not really an upgrade.
The MKIIn has shown to have the same issues but to a much lesser degree, so they made a new camera, 3rd time lucky, I hope, as I am planning to migrate to the MKIII.
The whole system is fantastic, not just the camera but the flash and new WiFi ~ just mega and just what I need.
jamesf99 wrote:
. Canon updated the one camera that receives more frequent updates than any other (must be for their most important customers)
Adrian,
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You call your 10D marginal and the 30D not worth upgrading too and you can't justify the cost. Yet you 've saved the money for a camera that hasn't been made yet. What do you expect from a 30D replacement ?
At the price point of the 30D, the 40D, or whatever they're gonna call it,won't be substantially better without an equally substantial increase in price. People that think it will be aren't living in the real world and are just wishing for a pro-level camera at a prosumer price. Ain't likely.
If you're that unhappy with your 10D, you can get a 30D, or keep waiting for it's successor. But despite what all the rumour junkies say, no one knows when that will happen but Canon. They may replace the 30D tomorrow or next year, only they know. Good luck.
Adrian Warren wrote:
I'm still using a 10d because I can't justify the cost of upgrading to a 30d based on the few extra features it offers. That means I'm stuck with a camera that takes an eternity to start up, and writes to cards about as fast as I write to slates
This confuses me. You claim the 30D isn't enough of an improvement over the 10D to merit the upgrade. Yet by your own admission, two of your biggest pet peeves about the 10D -- start up times and write times -- are far superior in the 30D. Left unmentioned are other big improvements in high-ISO noise, FPS, spot meter, bigger LCD, megapixels, etc. I can see 20D users being disappointed in the 30D, but I fail to understand how a 10D user would find a 30D disappointing.
Of course at this point it makes sense to wait for the 40D, which I still believe will be released within the next two weeks.
I think I understand where Adrian is coming from. He wants the 5D but is reluctant to pay so much.
I'm in a similar situation. My 300D is getting old. Every time I go down to my favourite camera shop I'm caught between a logical upgrade to a 30D (sweet camera and an unbelievable upgrade from what I have) and the 5D (what I really want). Holding the two cameras, comparing RAW files, etc. convinces me that the 30D is kind of boring while the 5D is definitely exciting, if that makes any sense. For me, I think it has a lot to do with the viewfinder and hence the crop factor or lack thereof.
Juan55 wrote:
If this is going to be the real price in EU and I think so (around the 4K but in €), I hope B&H is going to fill up their stocks with 1D MkIII´s at $4K, because 4$K -->>> €3.075, for this price I can fly to NYC, buy the cam, stay the week end in the city, come back and still I did not wast all the cost of the cam here !!!
Just be careful, if you ever need to get the camera repaired, you may need to return it to the US for those repairs....
So what do you think about 7-8th March announcements? I'm pretty sure 1Ds mkIII is not going to be announced as well as 6D, because it would hurt the 1Ds mkII sales if Canon intorduced it before mkIII (but I still hope for 5D mkII, with same sensor, but antidust, weather sealing, DIGIC III and some minor improvements). 40D perhaps...
as a country). This includes the German VAT (of 19%). With currency rate 1.49, this results in £2.955 at your door in UK.