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p.118 #1 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


nikt wrote:
Chuckies comments were in Dec '06.



He gets wordy with delicate subjects. He will also "tow the corporate line" past the point of credibility. Look at his written response to the criticism of no raw on the G7 (or whatever the current model name)

Could there be another 1.3 crop? Sure.But it's an orphan size that doesn't lend it self to a strategy of easily reusing older steppers for down market products.



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:02 AM
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p.118 #2 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


The 1.3X has one advantage, and it is a very significant one IMHO: Price. That allows Canon to direct itseld to two markets.


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:09 AM
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p.118 #3 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Of course he does. Can't imagine anyone in Canon (let alone the execs) coming out and saying it was a crap decision to lose RAW in the G7.

All execs are sales folk, and you know how much credence I put on sales folk (oops, hang on a minute :worried: ).

But I do have a good amount of respect for Chuckie, all things considered. Have a look at the first article:

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0701/tech-tips.html

You'd never get a Nikon exec talk like that.



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:09 AM
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p.118 #4 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


I always here price ... I really think 4500 are enough to give us FF...


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:11 AM
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p.118 #5 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Chris Hauser wrote:
I always here price ... I really think 4500 are enough to give us FF...


FF? Yes and even cheaper.
FF in a 1 series body? Not yet.



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:17 AM
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p.118 #6 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


so what did they do the last years ? nothing... I mean a 1.3X with 10MP and 10fps is a joke. I mean come on. At least they could have bumbed up the speed to 12fps or the MP to 12... perhaps even both. We speed shouldn't be a problem at all. The file size shouldn't be the problem either.... so WHAT ist the problem with Canon ....


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:20 AM
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p.118 #7 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Complacency.


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:23 AM
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p.118 #8 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


There can't really be that many people who want 12fps can there?


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:31 AM
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p.118 #9 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


The 5D has 12 MP, why wouldn't they on a body that costs twice as much?

EDITED: To fix typo.

Edited by Johnny Blood on Feb 18, 2007 at 02:42 PM GMT



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:33 AM
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p.118 #10 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Chris Hauser wrote:
so what did they do the last years ? nothing... I mean a 1.3X with 10MP and 10fps is a joke. I mean come on. At least they could have bumbed up the speed to 12fps or the MP to 12... perhaps even both. We speed shouldn't be a problem at all. The file size shouldn't be the problem either.... so WHAT ist the problem with Canon ....


Well of course you are SO right. And the results of it are there for all to see. Canon's decreasing sales--decreasing market share--they are jumping out of windows at Canon shouting 'Why didn't we listen to Chrissssssssss......' all the way to the ground, right?

Not.



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:34 AM
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p.118 #11 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


nikt wrote:
There can't really be that many people who want 12fps can there?


Oh yes, there are. Everyone knows you need at least 10 fps to successfully capture your dog or children.





Feb 18, 2007 at 09:35 AM
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p.118 #12 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Ok so they don't need 12fps. That should be even easier to make it 12MP or 16MP with 8fps. Just talking about the speed and file size....


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:35 AM
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p.118 #13 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


A 12 fps camera is more responsive in single shot mode than a 8.5 fps design.


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:38 AM
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p.118 #14 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Johnny Blood wrote:
The 5D has 12 fps, why wouldn't they on a body that costs twice as much?


Where'd you get that from?

The 5D does 3 fps.





Feb 18, 2007 at 09:39 AM
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p.118 #15 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


What I was hoping Canon would do is:

* New 40D: 10.1 MP, all the features of the XTi in the 30D body, weather sealing, and different battery grips (i.e. WiFi, GPS, etc.).

* 5D: No competition, no need to change.

* EOS-1Ds Mark III and EOS-1D Mark III N just as Erwin Puts described.



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:40 AM
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p.118 #16 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Sorry...my brain isn't working well this morning yet. I read 12 MP, not fps. And no, 12 fps isn't needed...but I would think 12 MP is a reasonable upgrade at 8 fps.

Edited by Johnny Blood on Feb 18, 2007 at 02:45 PM GMT



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:41 AM
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p.118 #17 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Chris Hauser wrote:
so what did they do the last years ? nothing... I mean a 1.3X with 10MP and 10fps is a joke. I mean come on. At least they could have bumbed up the speed to 12fps or the MP to 12... perhaps even both. We speed shouldn't be a problem at all. The file size shouldn't be the problem either.... so WHAT ist the problem with Canon ....


Every one who needs a high speed camera knows how to use it 8 fps is ENOUGH for everything. People who don't know how to use a HS camera, always demand more fps.

Get a motion picture camera. One of the Canons can even use EF lens.



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:42 AM
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p.118 #18 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Lets use some examples (figures are for illustrative purposes only based on the $AU, please feel free to insert your own third world currency here) .

Lets say the Canon 5D sells for $4500 and drop the price 30% to around $3200. Is anyone confident that by doing so they will pick up 30% more sales NOT from their own good profit cameras?


Edited by nikt on Feb 19, 2007 at 12:49 AM GMT



Feb 18, 2007 at 09:43 AM
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p.118 #19 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


The 40D needs to go into a 1D type body without grip (optional extras of course), and lose the consumer modes. It needs to aim at the 'second body' market of the 1D shooters. Otherwise, yep, everything you said, even at 10MP.


Feb 18, 2007 at 09:48 AM
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p.118 #20 · 'Un-Official' pre-PMA Rumor Thread


Do you mean to have the 5D replace the so-called 40D?

I don't think that will result in 30% more sales at all. The prosumer market is a 1.6 crop factor market. I would think (for strictly marketing reasons), Canon needs a 1.6x camera to compliment the XTi. That's what the 20D was and that's what made it so popular. It was a reasonable upgrade at a reasonable price. The 5D, to me, is a completely different camera.

Give the consumers a camera to compete with the D200 on the same playing field, which autmoatically differentiates the 5D from the D200, making the 5D (or certainly the 5D Mark II in 6 to 12 mos.) a reasonable upgrade. Give the professional photographers a camera that is clearly at the top of its class. Do so, and you own the market.

Edited by Johnny Blood on Feb 18, 2007 at 02:54 PM GMT



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