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p.46 #1 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Guy Mancuso wrote:
Henry i am always looking around no matter how good my gear is which it is no question but I am looking for a backup to the DMR because i may sell my second R9/DMR to get a M8 and i need a SLR backup. The Sigma sounds interesting but i need to read the article.Alkso can I use my Leica glass on it. But i do keep a sharp eye on the industry and any working Pro should do the same.

As well you should. My only point was the power that MPs have in attracting attention at all levels of the digital market. It is unfortunate but it is a reality that Canon faces as they have to stay away from defensive selling. It is one thing to get into a pissing contest with Nikon and others over CMOS v. CCD sensors but it is entirely another to have to defend one primary model when a lesser model trumps it in terms of the most visible spec and is upgraded to match it in many others.

Whether new models are annouced at Photokina or not is beyond me but I feel very comfortable in suggesting that the changes to the Canon line-up that will occur next six months will be the most dramatic since they switched mounts.

PS. Since everyone suspects that changes are coming Canon really has little to lose by pulling a Kodak and annoucing future products at Photokina well prior to their introduction. They are already losing sales as people are waiting for the next generation and like Kodak did so many times, they can freeze the market. Sure it causes a short term slump (probably made up for by 400D sales at Christmas) but it is a very effective way to prevent the migration to a different manufacturer.

(For those that don't know or remember... Kodak produced some very high-end products for commercial labs. Their favorite trick was to wait until a competitor showed their newest offering and then trump it with the annoucement of an often yet to be developed product. They killed a lot of the competition in that manner as they were always well ahead of everyone else - on paper.)

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p.46 #2 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Hrow wrote:

(For those that don't know or remember... Kodak produced some very high-end products for commercial labs. Their favorite trick was to wait until a competitor showed their newest offering and then trump it with the annoucement of an often yet to be developed product. They killed a lot of the competition in that manner as they were always well ahead of everyone else - on paper.)

Very, very, true. Boeing and Airbus are prime examples of this practice, which extends all the way back to the days of McDonnel Douglas producing the DC-8 to include many enhancements and improvements airlines voiced after acquiring the 707, which was first to market, and ultimately well outsold. The endless Intel/AMD battle is another prime example.

I too am dismayed at the pixel cramming for no photographic benefit. While there's absolutely no inherent reason to go out and buy the very latest just for the sake of owning it, over time, there does come the problem that many other features become unavailable without also perhaps getting caught up in what I've come to call "spec p*ssing".

I do believe that Photokina will bring us more news, although given what's been already announced, I'm not sure the capacity exists for a whole lot more in terms of number of new SKU's. What I do believe will be announced, or is at least most likely will be:

1Ds Mark II Successor
EF equivalent of 17-55 f/2.8 IS (perhaps a stabilized 24-70 L)
At least one wide-angle EF-S prime
Perhaps an updated 14 L (which needs it, but for which I'd kick myself after spending $1,800 for the only show in town)

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p.46 #3 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

canong3 wrote:
People new camera IS IN this thread. Prepare your VISA'S

If you're not a pro It's gonna hurt your wallet.
Got any more hints so i know whether it's gonna be worth it to eat nothing but ramen for the next 2 months?

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p.46 #4 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Quote from 30/8/2006...

Future plans

Stanzani [Alessandro Stanzani, the head of Canon Consumer Imaging UK] added that, despite its current focus on flat-screen technology in partnership with Toshiba, Canon is increasing investment into camera and lens R&D, along with its other 'core businesses'; such as camcorders.

He pointed to the huge growth in lens sales this year. Last year, sales of lenses amounted to 0.5 units per DSLR camera sold. So far this year, the figure is 1.2.

He said that Canon can 'still grow its core (image capture) business', but admitted that it will be 'challenging' for cameras, given its current domination of the market and increased competition. He added that 'printers are a big opportunity' - about which there will be further news next week

He also added that a new pro camera is 'in the pipeline', but refused to speculate when it might arrive. 'A new pro camera requires such a large investment that it can't happen every six months - which photographers are probably thankful about.'

http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=342932

Note 'in the pipeline'. Could mean anything!

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p.46 #5 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

big news by now!!!

When I order a 1dmark2 n from a Canadian Canon retailer today,they ask me to hold back,cuz they were told about new 1DS will come out at 9th Sept.

lets wait for that day

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p.46 #7 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

missmelva wrote:
big news by now!!!

When I order a 1dmark2 n from a Canadian Canon retailer today,they ask me to hold back,cuz they were told about new 1DS will come out at 9th Sept.

lets wait for that day

What might really be indicative in that is whether or not they had the 1D Mk II N actually in stock...and could get one.

The Japanese perfected "just in time" stock management. Canon certainly knows how to guage production with the introduction with new models, and the retailers can probably read the tea leaves. Few Canon retailers kept 1D cameras on the shelves, and those that did probably didn't keep very many.

My point is that shelf stock is probably nothing Canon worries about with the introduction of a new camera, and if the smaller retailers can't get one, that would indicate Canon has closed the spigot.

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p.46 #8 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

RDKirk wrote:
missmelva wrote:
big news by now!!!

When I order a 1dmark2 n from a Canadian Canon retailer today,they ask me to hold back,cuz they were told about new 1DS will come out at 9th Sept.

lets wait for that day

What might really be indicative in that is whether or not they had the 1D Mk II N actually in stock...and could get one.

The Japanese perfected "just in time" stock management. .

Well.......
1Ds

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Sep 01, 2006 at 09:21 PM

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p.46 #9 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Here is a WAG:

The scuttlebutt is true: Canon will not announce a new 1D camera at Photokina....not a new "1D" camera.

They're going to drop the numeral completely and call it the DL. The "L" stands for either "Legend" or "Luxury," take your pick. There will be a DL and a DLs (or possibly DLx).

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p.46 #10 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

dcmiller wrote:
RDKirk wrote:
missmelva wrote:
big news by now!!!

When I order a 1dmark2 n from a Canadian Canon retailer today,they ask me to hold back,cuz they were told about new 1DS will come out at 9th Sept.

lets wait for that day

What might really be indicative in that is whether or not they had the 1D Mk II N actually in stock...and could get one.

The Japanese perfected "just in time" stock management. .

Well.......
1Ds

B&H has a big warehouse. Didn't you see the last scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark?"

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p.46 #11 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

canong3 wrote:
ebeaydojraes wrote:
he said a 200 lens (meaning the 70-200 ...) and since we were all hoping for it since the rumors earlier this year ...
T H A N K Y O U. This must be it....

People new camera IS IN this thread. Prepare your VISA'S

If you're not a pro It's gonna hurt your wallet.

Anyway: this time I'm in for this lens only!

Not exactly "out on a limb" here with this prediction, are we

This thread also contains an Elvis sighting and "proof" of extraterrestrials.............

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p.46 #12 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

RDKirk wrote:

B&H has a big warehouse. Didn't you see the last scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark?"

I heard hey used a pallet of 1Ds for a table at the 2002 Christmas and found it last week

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Sep 01, 2006 at 09:29 PM

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p.46 #13 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Seems like the rumors are getting more aligned as Photokina approaches. If all the fuss is correct, which it seemed to be about the 50 L and the XTi/400D, then it would seem Canon will be introducing a 5D replacement or possibly another niche camera (not replacing the 5D).

The 5D has not appealed to me because of the 20D/30D ergonomics (once you've shot with a 1 series how can you go back

), but Canon just might tempt me if they came out with a FF 12MP or higher dSLR packed nicely in the EOS 3 body with the optional vertical grip. If they can fit a 2.5" screen on the XTi then they can certainly put a 2.5-3" LCD on the back of the EOS 3 type.

I know, I know, maybe I'm rejuvenating the long time rumor of the EOS 3D, but after 3+ years of begging from photographers you'd think Canon would listen and put something out there just to appease us

I for one would drop my 20D in a heartbeat and pick up a 3D or whatever they want to call it as a second body just so I don't have to mess around with all the different functions...

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p.46 #14 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

"I too am dismayed at the pixel cramming for no photographic benefit"

There is "no photographic benefit" from added mexapixels? Really?

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p.46 #15 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I love pixel cramming. Mo Pixels! I like working with big files.

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p.46 #16 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

dcmiller wrote:
Well.......
1Ds

I don't think this has anything to do with Canon. 1st it is only for a bit more than 24 hours and 2nd it applies to any kind of orders...

Looks like Sabbath to me.

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danmitchell wrote:
"I too am dismayed at the pixel cramming for no photographic benefit"

There is "no photographic benefit" from added mexapixels? Really?

I would argue that MPs are but one part of the quality equation. We all would like better IQ and resolution (not necessarily the same thing) but I don't personally care whether we get there by increasing the number of pixels or increasing the quality obtained from the ones we have. There are so many other factors that go into a sensor that guage the quality of a camera simply based on MP is not very productive. The advertisers want us to keep that limited perspective because it is a lot easier to tout the number of pixels than it is to try and explain the IQ enhancements from a new AA filter design.

All other things being equal though, I'll take more pixels if I can get them.

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p.46 #18 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Philippe Arnez wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
Well.......
1Ds

I don't think this has anything to do with Canon. 1st it is only for a bit more than 24 hours and 2nd it applies to any kind of orders...

Looks like Sabbath to me.

I was refering to the camera under the window.

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p.46 #19 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

dcmiller wrote:
Philippe Arnez wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
Well.......
1Ds

I don't think this has anything to do with Canon. 1st it is only for a bit more than 24 hours and 2nd it applies to any kind of orders...

Looks like Sabbath to me.

I was refering to the camera under the window.

Sorry, my bad

Now that I've re-read your post I got your point

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dcmiller wrote:
This thread also contains an Elvis sighting and "proof" of extraterrestrials.............

How cool is that! Where are the photos?

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p.46 #21 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

is it just me or has Canon updated their EOS product page with some formatting changes?

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p.46 #22 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

jwil wrote:
is it just me or has Canon updated their EOS product page with some formatting changes?

Looks the same to me...at least on the USA site it does.

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p.46 #23 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Andrew Gough wrote:
I am hearing that there are two bodies yet to anounce... They are not upgrading the 5D, it is a new body. That is all that was said...

Well another source just said no new additional SLR's for this show, so go figure...

At this point anything is possible.

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p.46 #24 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

May I take part, after having read 148 pages ?

I don't have any new rumour, any source, or any information ...

But ... Can you really imagine, Photokina starting, and Canon being asked for news, answers, well, we have come up with a new 400D some weeks ago...?

I cannot. They will have some great news. And my calendar says it will be a new 1 Series camera. Maybe an announcement only, delivery in 2007. But no less.

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p.46 #25 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I'd agree that they'll be an announcement, and probably a cool one as well. Too many little factors make a non-appearance at Photokina the least likely outcome for me.

What is the question.

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