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p.3 #1 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

mholdef wrote:
Regarding the sensor on the new 1DS MKIIN / 1Ds MK III:
Is it generally expected that the sensor on the new 1Ds would at least be comparable tothe 5D in terms of ISO noise performance despite climbing to 18MP/22PM pixels?

Expectations and reality are often two very different things. The 30D is a prime example.

If the low noise of the 5D sensor is a function of the pixel density, putting in even more pixels than the 1Ds2 has now is not going to make it any less noisy, without a major improvement in technology. So, if Canon did release a 22MP 1Ds3, and there is more noise than the 5D, will every one be happy (because of more MP) or bash it (because of the noise)

You can't have it both ways!

Yet again, just like the 5D and 30D, I don't see how Canon can release a new product and make every one happy. Some one here will dismiss it as useless, pointless, disapointing etc etc, while others says it's the best camera since time began. They simply cannot win!

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p.3 #2 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I would be happy with more MP and the same amount of noise...at 22MP vs. the 5D at 13MP at 100%.

Which I imagine would offer a significant gain in terms of noise at comparable prints sizes.

Which might bring ISO 6400 to us sooner than we think.

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p.3 #3 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

What I meant to say is that we might have images at 6400 on next model that equal the current 5D at 3200 ISO.

I don't imagine having a "native" 6400 ISO in the next month!

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p.3 #4 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

mholdef wrote:
I would be happy with more MP and the same amount of noise...at 22MP vs. the 5D at 13MP at 100%.

Which I imagine would offer a significant gain in terms of noise at comparable prints sizes.

Which might bring ISO 6400 to us sooner than we think.

So you want more pixels and less noise..... Hmmmm.... don't hold your breath.

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p.3 #5 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

>> So you want more pixels and less noise.....

I'd rather have more lenses at less money.

>> don't hold your breath.

I'm not :-(

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p.3 #6 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

More Mp, wider DR, higher noise suppression....what a techno-geek crowd !

(I wonder how many are really doing large prints

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I'd like to see some common-sense basics.....like real good human interface engineering of a new 1 series body. It has been done well elsewhere within Canon, thus it should be rather easy:
* reduce the camera weight/size.
* get the joystick for AF point selection (An X-Y type. The diagonal selection does not work too well on the existing one.)
* reduce the number of LCD displays and streamline the info contents-presentation on them.
* give all those little buttons placed all over the camera, and two button actuations in particular, a kick in the **s. That design of controls has always sucked and is getting really tired.
* make personal functions on-camera-adjustable.
* mark the AF points display squares to actually correspond to the AF sensor size (sensitivity boundary)

And more......

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p.3 #7 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

>> I'd like to see some common-sense basics.....like real good human engineering of a new 1 series body.

As I see it (I have a 1D Mk I) it is just about perfect right now. None of the issues you mentioned really bothers me.

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p.3 #8 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

EOS20 wrote:
Sprout Crumble wrote:

the 50/2.0 macro will never sell.

Why not? The current 50mm macro is still popular and is a fantastic lens! Its long over due for a upgrade though, Making it half a stop faster, adding a USM and making it 1:1 instead of 1:2 would make it a very popular lens for those shooting Full frame or APS-H cameras and find the 100mm macro to long.

It would also make a great "Normal" lens on a full framed camera and a nice low light lens!

all the above and more is already true of the ef-s 60mm macro that was just recently released. great lens. certainly lessens the liklihood that we'd see any significant 50mm macro changes.

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p.3 #9 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

How about killing 2 birds with one stone and making the 1Ds mkIII with a removeable grip? That might shut up the 3D crowd plus making it as much a icon as the 1V was if they up the FPS.

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p.3 #10 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Sprout Crumble wrote:
I hope the EF-S range is expanded to cement its position in the range if nothing else. I think the 1Ds2n will be a 1Ds3 and while keeping the same sensor, will have an enhanced spec all round and yet a much lower price. Canon MUST bite the bullet if we are to accept they genuinely believe FF is the future. If its expensive then it remains obvious that to Canon, FF remains a low volume, high profit niche format.

these are almost contradictory, yes? the more canon puts into the ef-s line, the greater commitment they have to providing an upgrade path within the prosumer line. and FF will never be cost competitive with 1.6 cropped sensors, if only because of the cost of fabbing them (the lower yield).

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p.3 #11 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

>> the 50/2.0 macro will never sell.

Just try me.... :-)

Give me an EF 50/2 1:1 macro with ring USM and IF and I'll gladly sell my 100/2.8 macro USM for it.

Another thing altogether is whether such a lens is in the works. My guess is that it doesn't but I wouldn't bet against a 50/2.8 version.

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p.3 #12 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

I don't want to spend any more money - please stop making new cameras!

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p.3 #13 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Judging by your signature, one can understand why :-)

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p.3 #14 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

http://www.camerawest.com/

OK what do they know that we don't

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p.3 #15 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

bad_doggie wrote:
the 50/2.0 macro will never sell.

EOS20 wrote:
Why not? The current 50mm macro is still popular and is a fantastic lens! Its long over due for a upgrade though, Making it half a stop faster, adding a USM and making it 1:1 instead of 1:2 would make it a very popular lens for those shooting Full frame or APS-H cameras and find the 100mm macro to long.

It would also make a great "Normal" lens on a full framed camera and a nice low light lens!

Sprout Crumble wrote:
all the above and more is already true of the ef-s 60mm macro that was just recently released. great lens. certainly lessens the liklihood that we'd see any significant 50mm macro changes.

Except the EF-S 60mm macro doesn't fit a full frame camera...so how can you say 'all the above and more' when EOS20 said 'on a full framed camera'

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p.3 #16 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

clocksley wrote:
I don't want to spend any more money - please stop making new cameras!

From your sig:

Canon 24-125mm f/2.8 L IS

Canon 15-40mm f/2.8 L

Canon 50-200mm f/2.8 IS L

I've never heard of these lenses...where did you get them?

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p.3 #17 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Yakim Peled wrote:
I think this thread is going to be on top without the need from any moderator to make it sticky....

I think you're right.

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p.3 #18 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

clocksley wrote:
Canon 1Ds Mk III
Canon 1D Mk III N

Canon EF 50mm f/1.0
Canon 24-125mm f/2.8 L IS
Canon 15-40mm f/2.8 L
Canon 50-200mm f/2.8 IS L

Forrest Egan wrote:
I've never heard of these lenses...where did you get them?

Nothing in his signature exists, it's a 'joke'.

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p.3 #19 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

tgrey wrote:
Great -- well let me be the first to carry over the fun (and I think plausible) rumor set that has been much discussed in one of those threads:

1] a merged 1D, 18.5 mp, 5 fps - 10 mp 8.5 fps digic 3. looks like current 1D
2] a 5D update or camera looking like a 5D, 6 fps, improved autofocus, digic 3. same sensor as 5D.
3] 100-400 4L - improved IS
4] 35 1.8
5] 400 5.6 IS

This of course was the info from the mysterious missing post which led to a long thread a day or so ago. Perhaps I'm naive but this still looks very realistic (perhaps a bit too optimistic). These are not exactly main stream lenses.

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p.3 #20 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

DaveMart wrote:

They certainly seem to think they can boost high ISO performance in the near future:
http://www.dslrphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Future_DSLRs.pdf

Some camera with a pellicle mirror also seems to keep cropping up - hate to think how you would clean the sensor.

With improving high ISO, pellicle mirros look more and more attractive. With a pellicle mirror, would it not be possible to seal the entire space behind and below the mirror, so that cleaning the sensor would be a thing of the past?

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p.3 #21 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

mfoto wrote:
This of course was the info from the mysterious missing post which led to a long thread a day or so ago. Perhaps I'm naive but this still looks very realistic (perhaps a bit too optimistic). These are not exactly main stream lenses.

There is nothing 'mysterious' about the missing post (the OP deleted it), and regardless of how 'realistic' the information may look, the information above is not considered to be from any official source, whatsoever.

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p.3 #22 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

clocksley wrote:
Canon 1Ds Mk III
Canon 1D Mk III N

Canon EF 50mm f/1.0
Canon 24-125mm f/2.8 L IS
Canon 15-40mm f/2.8 L
Canon 50-200mm f/2.8 IS L

Jeff wrote:
Nothing in his signature exists, it's a 'joke'.

Thanks...didn't notice the Mk III on the bodies.

But didn't the 50mm f/1.0 exist? Although, I believe it was an L lens.

Sorry, I just don't get all this rumor and joking about what Canon might have in a few weeks/months. I guess I need to switch gears and not click on the [Next] thread, only to find out it's a bunch of speculation nonsense. Or, perhaps, just stay clear of the Canon SLR forum for a while.

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p.3 #23 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

Forrest Egan wrote:
Or, perhaps, just stay clear of the Canon SLR forum for a while.

Just steer clear of this thread, and all will be good in the world. That was one of the points of consolidating all of the rumors into one thread, so that people like you can easily avoid the constant 'noise' if you wish.

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PS: And yes, the 50/1.0 was indeed an "L" lens.

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p.3 #24 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

The best way to start a powerful rumor seems to post it in a new thread and then delete that thread shortly afterwards

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p.3 #25 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread

so... i should sell all my gear right? what is the new legendary item that is coming

EF-X lenses... X standing for "way too eXpensive for you peons"

maybe a 7D with 7fps and 12mp

but seriously, I would love to see a 100-400/4 IS, although I probably couldn't afford it, it would be sweet.

what I'm really looknig forward to (as usual) are the price drops on the older gear as a result of the new announcements... always a step behind

Edited on Oct 08, 2006 at 08:06 PM

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