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Tony Schreiber Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #1 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? I've been mulling this over for some time now and can't come to a conclusion. Background: I've a part-time professional ramping up now for more work, mostly weddings. I use a 20D and have a 300D as a backup. I don't like to use the 300D much anymore because the noise at iso 1600 is so much worse than on the 20D (not that it's bad compared to other cameras, the 20D is just so much better). I also shoot a lot dance in low light so this is important. The widest lens I have now is the 28-70 but on the 20D it isn't really that wide. I have borrowed a 10-22 on two occassions and really like it. Musings: I need something wider for wedding groups, receptions and environmental portaits (see signature for my current lenses) I want to get a new body as a primary and use the 20D as second/backup since my wife will be doing more shooting with me. I think EF-S is going to be around for a while, so I'm not worried about that - and the 10-22 is a nice lens even without the L. I like the upgrades on the 30D (spot-meter,lcd,shutter). I'd like the full-frame of the 5D (and a new take on all my lenses). Decision (estimates on the mid-high end): New 30D (1400) + 10-22 EFS (700) = $2100 or New 5D (2900) + 16-35/2.8 (1200) = $4100 Is it worth $2000? I dunno. If price wasn't a factor, I still might not want the 5D with its larger raw files to deal with. But with the 5D, my lenses become like a whole 'nother set... Could I get away with the 28-70 on the 5D instead? Arg!!!! Mar 21, 2006 at 08:02 PM

rhorta Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #2 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? You have a third option. 5D + 17-40/4 Nice lens, if f/4 is enough for you. Mar 21, 2006 at 08:06 PM

Tony Schreiber Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #3 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? rhorta wrote: You have a third option. 5D + 17-40/4 Nice lens, if f/4 is enough for you. Well, I like my f/2.8 that's for sure. I like to avoid flash when I can. So I never really considered that. I give it up though for the 10-22 simply because it's so much wider (on the crop camera). But yeah, like I needed more options. Mar 21, 2006 at 08:08 PM

Tony Schreiber Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #4 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? Oh, I forgot to add the bit about the new 17-55/2.8 EF-S IS. Oy. Mar 21, 2006 at 08:18 PM

JasonJ Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #5 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? I'd go for the 5D. I know the noise levels on both cameras are comparable and similar, but people have said that the 5D does produce cleaner images. I have yet to try and compare both side by side myself, but I guess I'll believe what's been said. Also, the 5D produces magical images. I'm pretty sure this is because people who own 5D's have the skills to produce those images, but wow, they look great. Go for the 5D! You probably wont regret it! Mar 21, 2006 at 08:43 PM

d10d Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #6 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? IIRC... in terms of IQ the larger sensor will take advantage of the wide glass better than the cropped sensor... crop sensors favour telephoto, while FF favours WA.... i'm not sure about ef-s lenses but that 17-55 IS looks interesting... but then you were looking for wider... i've been thinking about this myself... i would lean towards the 5D and 16-35L ... or... 1DMk2 that would 'benefit' both my wide and telephoto lenses... Mar 21, 2006 at 09:14 PM

Tony Schreiber Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #7 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? Dan, how is the 16-35 on your 20D? Wide enough for you? Any shots at <20mm to show for example purposes? The 16/17 end may be wide enough for me in terms of groups and general purposes. I could get the 14 fisheye then for the creative shots... Mar 21, 2006 at 09:26 PM

jamesf99 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #8 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? RCicala wrote: Funny this is brought up. I just mentioned in another post that while I love my 5D I still often use the 20D and 10-22 for wide angle shots. However, my shooting is mostly outdoors in sunlight and while I love the 10-22 there, I go with something faster on the 5D when I'm indoors or in less than ideal light. The 10-22 is a great lens, but its not a fast lens. The 17-40 isn't that much faster. In that price range have you thought about a fast prime. The 5D and either 35L or 24L give awesome ambient light shots. Not to mention the depth of field can just let the subject jump out of the picture. Crank the ISO up and you can just about take pictures by candlelight with that combination. Actually, the 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 is 1/3 of a stop faster than the 17-40 at the wide end and only 1/3 of a stop slower at the long end. In other words, not really much of a difference. Since the cameras are similar in all ways (features) except the sensor, if money is not an issue, I'd go with the 5d and 16-35 f/2.8. A more expensive solution by far, but the lens is faster and produces beautiful (and unmatched) color IMO. Mar 21, 2006 at 09:40 PM

ahavriluk Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #9 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? technocraft wrote: Dan, how is the 16-35 on your 20D? Wide enough for you? Any shots at <20mm to show for example purposes? Maybe Dan can post more pictures too. I had experience shooting with 16-35. It is hard to say what is wide enough. You would have to decide for youself. Here is a few examples @16: Mar 21, 2006 at 09:45 PM

Andi Dietrich Offline Dedicated FM Account Locked p.1 #10 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? I droped the 16-35mm as I expected corner sharpness at f5,8-f8, not at f11-16. The 5D sensor needs higher resolving lenses in general. You might be happy with it but this lens is overrated, and I would not pay the price. If you go this way, ask to have more than one copy and pick the best of them. Edited by bathman on Mar 21, 2006 at 10:11 PM GMT (Reason: english) Mar 21, 2006 at 10:06 PM

Jim Healey Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #11 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? I'm not a wedding photographer but here's my 2c ... I tested these combo's when I first bought my 5D (I was deciding between selling the 20D+10-22 in exchange for the 16-35 ... and I guess my decision was easier than yours because one option would have left me without a backup. My signature shows which way I went). Anyway I found the IQ of the 20D+10-22 to stand up very well against the 5D+16-35 ... points going to the full frame combo in the centre and to the crop kit in the corners. The full frame winning by a very slight margin. My decision may have been different if I could have afforded to keep both bodies and also buy the 16-35. By the way, this test was mainly for the lenses as the 5D undoubtedly provides better IQ than the 20D. So IQ aside ... how wide do you need to go? If you're thinking the EF-S 17-55 may be wide enough, then consider that your 28-70 is about the same on full frame. Perhaps you don't need 16-35 (10-22) for weddings. What about aperture? I imagine the longer end of the 10-22 would find most use and this will give you f/4 - f4/5. Compare this against the 28-70 + 5D. I think you should get the 5D and give your 28-70 some room to breath! Mar 21, 2006 at 10:08 PM

akclimber Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #12 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? It's definitely worth the $2000 if you're a pro - part time or full time - no question. Your work is what will sell you and the 5D plus whatever lens you chosse wll give you hands down better images than the 30D. The 5D also has less depth of field which my come in handy when trying to isolate your subjects. CHeers! Mar 21, 2006 at 10:18 PM

Tony Schreiber Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #13 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? I've heard a lot of disappointment regarding the 16-35/2.8. It would seem that whatever those issues are, they would only be exacerbated on the 5D. 5D+28-70 and get a wide prime? Are there Canon rebates soon? Mar 21, 2006 at 10:28 PM

Tony Schreiber Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #14 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? BTW, I never understood how the (lack of) crop factor affects DOF. I'll have to look into that... Mar 21, 2006 at 10:31 PM

celsus Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #15 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? If I had to chose and wanted to maximize the performance per $ invested into my gear, I'd get another 20D + EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM. The 5D is a nice enough camera, however, in my mind just a bit too costly for a hopped up 20/30D, be that FF CMOS deposited on gold or whatever. The EF-S is not an L-packaged lens but it has the potential of turning into an L hunter/killer. Imagine a good copy of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L USM with IS added and weighing 650 g. Now, you've got the picture ! Mar 21, 2006 at 10:32 PM

ovredal73 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #16 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? I got the 5D and 16-35. Do actually miss my 20D+10-22 setup due to its weight and size, but the difference is not so big in the end. The 10-22 is an exeptional lens, as good as the 16-35 in my opinion, but then again the 5D is just a killer camera. I am quite addicted to it, and cannot go back down in "size" after using a full framer. My vote for my own current selection - 5D+16-35. Mar 21, 2006 at 10:44 PM

shamrock94at Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #17 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? I am primarily a landscape photographer but I have shot a couple of dances. Joe,s comments make a lot of sense. The 5d is a nice camera and with the 16-35 you could probably get some wide angle, stop action dance floor shots with it that you could not get with the 10-22. But will those few unique shots be worth the $2000 differance? Only you can answer that especially if your photo business has to pay for itself. If you go the 2 body route the 17-55 2.8 (if it lives up to expectations) on one body and either the 16-35 on the 5d or 10-22 on a 30d would get you a lot of interesting dance photos. I would love a 5d to go along with my 17-40 (or preferably a new and improved FF wide angle) for landscape work but I cannot justify the cost for my part time business which unlike many photographers has to pay for itself. The 5d is a great camera but it is too feature and wide angle lens limited to make it a worthwhile investment for me. If you are independently wealthy or make a significant living off of your photography and the 5d gets you shots that you would otherwise miss, then go for it. Otherwise the 30d/20d is a hard to beat investment. Tj Mar 22, 2006 at 12:57 AM

Tony Schreiber Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #18 · Sigh. 5D+16-35 or 30D+10-22? So the difference in DOF (between a FF and crop camera) with the same lens similar to the taking the same framed shot with different focal lengths...I can understand that. So...I think I'll be getting a 30D and a 10-22. I think. :? Mar 22, 2006 at 04:47 PM

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