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p.1 #1 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

For a 20D user?

right or wrong?

if I'm a 20D user I'll uprade my glass or my camera for a 1D MK....or 5D.....

right...?

please advise the forum...

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:16 AM

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p.1 #2 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

It is for a 10D shooter! But it's a minor tweak for a 20D owner (of course everyone needs a 2nd body). I'd upgrade immediately if it had ECF. Now I have to think about it. The 5D seems to be calling a little louder.

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:24 AM

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p.1 #3 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Unless you really really need a spot meter, ISO in the viewfinder and a 2.5" LCD upgrading from a 20D to the 30D just for the sake of a upgrade is not really worth it IMO.

If your upgrading from a older model or a 350D it may be worth it.

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:29 AM

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p.1 #4 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Sure it's an upgrade, it's just not a big upgrade for a 20D owner. Personally if I had a 20D I would be pleased.

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:30 AM

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p.1 #5 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Gochugogi wrote:
It is for a 10D shooter! But it's a minor tweak for a 20D owner (of course everyone needs a 2nd body). I'd upgrade immediately if it had ECF. Now I have to think about it. The 5D seems to be calling a little louder.

a 10D user can buy a 20D for $800 bucks and get a good start with extra
money for GLASS!

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:36 AM

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p.1 #6 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Blowout, if you haven't used the 5D and seen the improved interface and screen etc then your opinion isn't worth that much. ISO in the VF, 1/3 stop exposure adjustment, bigger monitor - these are all upgrades that are beneficial to some. If you love the 20D so much, get one and then quit with the moaning.

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:41 AM

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p.1 #7 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Antony wrote:
Blowout, if you haven't used the 5D and seen the improved interface and screen etc then your opinion isn't worth that much. ISO in the VF, 1/3 stop exposure adjustment, bigger monitor - these are all upgrades that are beneficial to some. If you love the 20D so much, get one and then quit with the moaning.

moaning

?

hehehehe

just helping 10D users ...........not to buy Canon upgrade!

BUY GLASSSS

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:44 AM

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p.1 #8 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

It's not really an upgrade, more like an incrimental improvement...if you have a 350D or 20D, I'd skip getting a 30D unless you NEED something it offers. If you've got a D30, D60, 10D, 300D, or point and shoot, then it's a worthwhile upgrade.

though I must say that a 2.5" screen is nice when you're used to a 1.8"...

(and yeah, I do have one on order, but that's cause I may be getting that 17-55 2.8 IS with it

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Feb 24, 2006 at 07:50 AM

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p.1 #9 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

I would only buy it for its expanded ISO choices. As a 20D owner though, I wouldn't buy it.

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:51 AM

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p.1 #10 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

i would buy one, because its an affordable second body for me

i made the jump from 10D to 5D and i could write a small novel on how happy i am about that move.

that 2.5" lcd is horribly addicting. id get the 30D over the 20D just for that!

i wonder if the viewfinder is as DIM as the 20D though? if it is i may have to think twice and get an older 1Ds

Feb 24, 2006 at 07:54 AM

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p.1 #11 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

It amazes me that the camera is not yet in anyone's hands but there's already threads telling people not to buy it. Seriously folks...

We have no idea how much the AF routines help. We have no idea how much faster read/write speeds are (especially given the variance in CF cards). People have been complaining about not having a spot meeting in a 1.6 body since I joined this board...

I use my 20D on my 600 f/4 IS. You can bet that if the 30D offers noticeably better AF then I will consider the upgrade. I paid $1,000 in March for 20D body-only and I have no reason to believe we won't see the 30D occasionally dip into those ranges in the next year.

Nick

Feb 24, 2006 at 08:01 AM

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p.1 #12 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

nickrh wrote:
It amazes me that the camera is not yet in anyone's hands but there's already threads telling people not to buy it. Seriously folks...

We have no idea how much the AF routines help. We have no idea how much faster read/write speeds are (especially given the variance in CF cards). People have been complaining about not having a spot meeting in a 1.6 body since I joined this board...

I use my 20D on my 600 f/4 IS. You can bet that if the 30D offers noticeably better AF then I will consider the upgrade. I paid $1,000 in March for 20D body-only and I have no reason to believe we won't see the 30D occasionally dip into those ranges in the next year.

Nick

Perhaps is time for your 600mm to see the light....

1DMKII

then you really upgrade..........

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Feb 24, 2006 at 08:16 AM

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p.1 #13 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

The increased buffer size alone is a significant upgrade for many users.

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Feb 25, 2006 at 05:18 AM

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p.1 #14 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

I don't understand why spot-metering, ISO in viewfinder and 1/3 increments were'nt in the original 20d. They are in the 1D Mk II which came first so why put it in the 30D now?
Canon are playing their loyal consumers in the knowledge that some if not most will bite and they'll get twice the money.

Feb 25, 2006 at 05:25 AM

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p.1 #15 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

a 10D user can buy a 20D for $800 bucks and get a good start with extra
money for GLASS!
True, but for many the extra 5 notes is worth getting a new body with warranty and extra features (hate that 1.8 inch LCD). Plus, many used 20D bodies had the crap shot outta from by lead finger owners. I've been shooting EOS since 1990 I have 19 EF lenses (should sell off half of them!) and don't really need any more glass.
I don't understand why spot-metering, ISO in viewfinder and 1/3 increments were'nt in the original 20d. They are in the 1D Mk II which came first so why put it in the 30D now?
So Canon would have something to add to the 30D feature list. Maybe the 40D will finally have ECF. Remember the D30 and D60 only had 3 AF sensors? Canon has to hold back some goodies for the next model.

Feb 25, 2006 at 05:48 AM

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p.1 #16 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

The only reason I haven't upgraded to a 1DII is because to some extent Canon is "playing" all of us regardless of what body we buy. Compare the 5D ($3k) to the 1DIIN ($4k).

Given that both cameras use CMOS chips with the same pixel density, the chances are that the 5D has lower yields than the 1DII (which has been in production for a lot longer as well). Add to that, the fact that 5D has a rebate now in the EU that drops it towards $2700.

So the 1DII is ~$1300 more expensive and it even uses a CMOS that is easier to produce. An EOS-3 has 45pt AF, weather sealing, and a mirror/shutter combo rated at 7fps and the whole thing only costs $900. So we know the upgraded internals aren't worth the $1300 price difference.

There's no technical reason they can't have a 1D3 by upgrading to the 5D's sensor and giving us the option of 8fps @ 1.3x, or 5fps @ 1.0x.

That's the camera I'm hoping for.

Nick

Feb 25, 2006 at 05:57 AM

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p.1 #17 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

nickrh wrote:

That's the camera I'm hoping for.

Nick

Hope is rather meaningless when you have jobs to do today that can benifit from the best tool around. I had a 20D a while back, but I needed the 1D mkII then as I do today. So what if Canon makes something better in the future, what do I shoot with this weekend ?

Feb 25, 2006 at 06:02 AM

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p.1 #18 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

It's a nice refinement. Sure if you have a 20D you don't need to, but why would you need to upgrade just because something has new bells and whistles? There's loads of idiotic talk going on....how many improvements warrants an upgrade for those not really making money in or because of their photography? You are snapping away fine today, but if something with X number and kinds of upgrades comes out you need to drop another 2K? It doesn't make sense.

For me there's a nice spot in my even coverage gear lineup for a 1.6 body. For the lens offerings, reach, and smaller raw file size. I loved the 20D and it's about time to get another crop body for my lineup. I didn't want 10 or 12MP files and I didn't want the new camera to be 1800 bucks. It's a great camera for me as I need a new body, the price is right as it's the same as a 20D was but better. I don't know how often I've missed shots because of that stupid toggle (the Nikon AF point selector was so much nicer)...this for me is enough as I was going to buy another body anyways. I'm glad that manufacturers are realizing they have great cameras out and that they don't need to make "great on paper" upgrades every year but tweak and refine and not run the risk of a whole new series and whole new set of err99's every year.

Paul

Feb 25, 2006 at 06:15 AM

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p.1 #19 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Brutus_B wrote:
So what if Canon makes something better in the future, what do I shoot with this weekend ?

Exactly!

Feb 25, 2006 at 06:21 AM

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p.1 #20 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Let's see, spot metering, iso in viewfinder, 1/3 stop ISO increments,selectable shooting speed in continuous drive mode, huge lcd.

Which of these are not major improvements? How many times have we seen posts of people crying to Canon to add these features in a consumer dslr? Now we've got them available.

Did you happen to notice all of these improvements come at a lower introductory price than the 20D?

If you want 1 series features, you're gonna have to buy a 1 series.

Marc

Feb 25, 2006 at 04:12 PM

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p.1 #21 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

The 30D is a body that builds upon an already superb Camera.

If things ain't broke, don't fix 'em. Like another member just said, if you want a 1-series body then shell the beans and BUY a 1-series body. Crying about it ain't gonna change a thing.

Feb 25, 2006 at 05:07 PM

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p.1 #22 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

giggsy wrote:
I don't understand why spot-metering, ISO in viewfinder and 1/3 increments were'nt in the original 20d. They are in the 1D Mk II which came first so why put it in the 30D now?

I've worked in product design and development and a company must draw the line somewhere in order to get their product to market. So many variables play a part in it, including competition, timing for the trade shows, marketing, costs, production, testing, software development, distribution, etc. The specs for a replacement camera are probably made six months after its release, maybe even sooner. Some features are added later as the tech becomes available, but it's not always possible to fit in their timeline so it's held off till the replacement's replacement, or pushed up the product line to a camera which has a longer timeline before release.

In the situation with the release of the Nikon D200, it may be one year to a year and a half for Canon to have a competitor in the market. It would be an absolute miracle for them to have it all done in less than six months like every 20D/10D/D60/D30 user was hoping for.

Feb 25, 2006 at 08:07 PM

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p.1 #23 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

If the 30 had been an upgrade in the times of film nobody would have complained about it being a minor upgrade. A spotmeter for instance has been a good reason to upgrade for many T70 users to upgrade to T90 models. The point is we have a revolutionary phase of the camera industry just behind us. The revolution of going digital coming from film. But really, a spotmeter is a major upgrade by itself . I use it for over 50% of my photography (shooting 1DmkII) and it would make me switch to 30D instantly if I owned a 20D. Also don't underestimate the bigger screen, I mean the 1DmkIIN is tempting to me for that reason. Not to mention having the ISO in the viewfinder and some other "minor" refinements. For the average amateur there may not be enough extra in the 30D, but my bet is the 30D is a more attractive upgrade to many serious photographers working with a 20D or one of it's predecessors than some of the previous posters suggested.

Anyway, have EOSfun, either 20D, 30D or whatever EOS you are shooting with!

Feb 25, 2006 at 09:37 PM

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p.1 #24 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

Marc04 wrote:
Let's see, spot metering, iso in viewfinder, 1/3 stop ISO increments,selectable shooting speed in continuous drive mode, huge lcd.

Which of these are not major improvements? How many times have we seen posts of people crying to Canon to add these features in a consumer dslr? Now we've got them available.

Did you happen to notice all of these improvements come at a lower introductory price than the 20D?

If you want 1 series features, you're gonna have to buy a 1 series.

Marc

I think the problem is that half the upgrades could be accomplished with a firmware upgrade, and yet Canon released it as a new model number.

When they did the same thing to the 1DmkII, they had the decency to call it the 1DMkIIn

Feb 25, 2006 at 10:01 PM

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p.1 #25 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!

It is called a new model number because the body shape is not identical, as it was with the 1 series upgrade. It is a new camera, just with the same sensor.

Feb 25, 2006 at 11:00 PM


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