p.3 #2 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
EOS20 wrote:
[The next camera due for replacement/upgrade is the 1Ds Mk II. If not the 350D/Rebel XT I guess. There has been alot of rumours of a new EOS 3000D.
It would be intresting to see what would replace the 1Ds 2, But I rekon it will only be a slight upgrade like the 1D Mk IIn.
When all of the discussion of a +10MP 30D/35D with more focus points, DIGICIII, (etc.) was happening leading up to this announcement, I wondered what such a camera would do the the 1DMKII sales and how that would fit into Canon's strategy. Well, now we see that they have left plenty of distance between these two cameras for the time being.
I tend to think that Canon is working to consolidate the 1D line (18-22MP, higher frame rate). If so, there will not be a 1DMKII or a 1.3x sensor any longer. Such a move would open up room for a higher end 1.6x camera (the mythical 3D?). It would also allow the 5D to be upgraded (perhaps with the current 1DsMKII sensor). All three of these cameras could get DIGICIII at that time also. Any chance any of this could happen this fall?
p.3 #4 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
wow, i dunno what to do now...
I like the "updates" they have made, the most important to me is the RAW+JPEG simulateously (sp).
the 20D didn't do that, correct? if so, i never knew about it when i had it.
and if the 30D is only $400 more than a used 20D, i will probably get that until i buy a 1DMKIIN or something.
p.3 #5 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
I won't be upgrading, the next camera that I buy is going to be a 1 series or the mystical 3D that knowing my luck and all practical sense will never exist. This might be a good upgrade for people looking to replace their D30, D60, 10D, 300D or XT, but for serious 20D shooters who think that this camera will better their art or skill? I think not.
p.3 #6 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
HBOC wrote:
wow, i dunno what to do now...
I like the "updates" they have made, the most important to me is the RAW+JPEG simulateously (sp).
the 20D didn't do that, correct? if so, i never knew about it when i had it.
and if the 30D is only $400 more than a used 20D, i will probably get that until i buy a 1DMKIIN or something.
p.3 #7 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Well,,,this morning first thing 0600 was excitied. By 0900 not so much, by 1100 decided to put that money into a 24-70 2.8L. purchased before 2pm. We will now wait for photokena.
p.3 #9 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
cogitech wrote:
It seems that Canon has a dog here.
Most of the response from 20D owners (including me) is that it just isn't much of an upgrade. Be better off to spend the money on glass.
For anyone in the market for a new dSLR in this price range. Nikon's D200 is currently a much better value.
So who the hell is going to buy one of these things?
I for one am very happy about the fact that I'm not looking at my 20D and feeling disappointment. I don't think that Canon really has a dog here though. 300D, XT, and non-DSLR owners will buy the 30D and be really happy with it. Meanwhile folks like us that are already happy with what the 20D gives us will remain the happy kind of person that buys Canon glass.
Remember that in many cases people are either going to spend money on bodies, or they're going to spend money on lenses... either way they're spending and if it's on Canon equipment they're probably happy.
It'll be interesting what price the 20D settles in at after 6 months. For a while the D200 will appear to be a great deal... but if triple rebates come up again next year and include the 30D it poses a great value proposition. What's more it's a value proposition that includes the purchase of two very decent lenses. That's the kind of investment that makes it unlikely for a person to switch to the opposing brand at some point down the road.
This time last year I was a relatively new owner of a 300D. I did not know the upgrade cycle at that time. When the XT came out I was taken off guard and it was a "look honey, there's this nice new rebel that I like way better than the one I've already got". It was so much nicer when my wife came home today. She got the "look honey, the new body came out like I told you... And I don't even want it!!!".
If you haven't guessed by now... I'm not upgrading
p.3 #10 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
i will buy the 20D if a bit lower in price and buy some glass with the money saved. no sense in losing photo opportunities while waiting, or saving, for a different camera.
p.3 #12 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
With the 30D being a minor, incremental, update my next upgrade will be to a...
... 1Ds. Yep, not the mkII. Having a 1DmkII and a 20D, I realize that the differences in the cameras make me have to stop and think just a bit each time I swap. (The 20D isn't not just a backup for me, but used concurrently as a second body...)
p.3 #14 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
nads wrote:
I for one am very happy about the fact that I'm not looking at my 20D and feeling disappointment. I don't think that Canon really has a dog here though. 300D, XT, and non-DSLR owners will buy the 30D and be really happy with it. Meanwhile folks like us that are already happy with what the 20D gives us will remain the happy kind of person that buys Canon glass.
Remember that in many cases people are either going to spend money on bodies, or they're going to spend money on lenses... either way they're spending and if it's on Canon equipment they're probably happy.
It'll be interesting what price the 20D settles in at after 6 months. For a while the D200 will appear to be a great deal... but if triple rebates come up again next year and include the 30D it poses a great value proposition. What's more it's a value proposition that includes the purchase of two very decent lenses. That's the kind of investment that makes it unlikely for a person to switch to the opposing brand at some point down the road.
This time last year I was a relatively new owner of a 300D. I did not know the upgrade cycle at that time. When the XT came out I was taken off guard and it was a "look honey, there's this nice new rebel that I like way better than the one I've already got". It was so much nicer when my wife came home today. She got the "look honey, the new body came out like I told you... And I don't even want it!!!".
If you haven't guessed by now... I'm not upgrading ...Show more →
Ya, I didn't think of all the 300D and 10D owners out there who still haven't upgraded. I can see the 30D being very attractive to them, but it'll depend on how cheap the 20D becomes.
So, I guess the 30D isn't necessarily a dog. That was too strong a word. But think of the 10D-to-20D upgrade and then the 20D-to-30D upgrade. Which is more of an upgrade? Not even close. Even the 300D-to-350D upgrade was *much* more significant than 20D-to-30D.
My conversation went sort of like this:
Me: "Hey honey, did I tell you that Canon released the 30D today?"
My wife: "Uh-oh..."
Me: "Ya, it's basically a 20Dn, or maybe a 25D. Not really much of an upgrade at all."
My wife: Look of relief.
Me: "It has ISO in 1/3 stops and ISO in the viewfinder and it can buffer a few more photos."
My wife: "Oh, that's kinda cool, but I don't need it."
Me: "I know. Don't worry. I'm not upgrading."
My wife: "That 1D sounds like *way* more camera for the money."
Me: "Yep."
Edited by cogitech on Feb 22, 2006 at 10:24 AM GMT
p.3 #16 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Not me. When they release a 20D/30D/40D type camera with a 45 point AF system, then I'll jump. Else, I'll stick with what I have. The 20D is a good all-round camera with a fast burst rate and the ability to take wide angle shots.
I'd love a 20D with 45 point focus - best of both worlds!
p.3 #17 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
I don't have a 20D, but I am considering "downgrading" from the 1D. The 30D has spot metering, 1/3-stop ISO increments, and a large RAW buffer. If the AF turns out to be as good as the 5D, I'll be buying one.
p.3 #18 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
I don't think I'll upgrade my 20D just yet. I may wait for a short time and see what else develops at Canon.My 20D is just fine for me. If prices come down I may get a 5D but if another 1.6 crop comes out thats weather sealed I'm there.
p.3 #19 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
rcomas wrote:
I don't have a 20D, but I am considering "downgrading" from the 1D. The 30D has spot metering, 1/3-stop ISO increments, and a large RAW buffer. If the AF turns out to be as good as the 5D, I'll be buying one.
The 30D AF system is the same as the 20D, but with revised AF algorithms. I can't imagine it can compete with the 5D.
p.3 #20 · So how many 20D brethren jumping to the 30?
Dr D wrote:
Not me. When they release a 20D/30D/40D type camera with a 45 point AF system, then I'll jump. Else, I'll stick with what I have. The 20D is a good all-round camera with a fast burst rate and the ability to take wide angle shots.
I'd love a 20D with 45 point focus - best of both worlds!
