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Hrow Offline Buy and Sell: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement I am hoping that folks can shed some light on why there seems to be so much excitement regarding the 17-55 EF-s announcement. From my way of thinking for a general purpose walk around lens... 17mm is too long (which is why I went with the 10-22 and put the 17-40 on the shelf) and 55mm is too short. Strikes me that a 10-22 / 24-105 combo would be a much better walk around solution for serious image making with a 20D/30D. For the ultimate walk around combo, it would seem that the 5D and 24-105 is the ticket. Sure 2.8 is nice, but is it really necessary on a casual lens? I say casual only because it is obviously being marketed as a non-pro lens and doesn't fit into the body upgrade path. Unless it outperforms the L's in the range, I don't see this as being a big whoop and would like to know why others seem to consider it to be a must have lens. PS. I am not trying to flame the lens. I am merely trying to understand what I am missing. Feb 21, 2006 at 05:25 PM

Locster Online Buy and Sell: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement Not everyone wants to walk around with 2 lenses. I think that's the big deal about it. Feb 21, 2006 at 05:27 PM

najibs Offline Buy and Sell: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement I posted this on DP Review: I'm very intrigued by the new EF 17-55mm. As an owner of the 17-40L, I'm contemplaing selling it, and my Tamron 28-75mm to pick up this new Canon. Supposedly the new lens will be L quality, and I think this may be true. Although, Canon have made a bad image for themselves with the EF-S line, seeing as the lineup isn't too big yet. The perceived quality for the EF-S line so far has been nothing special, but I think this lens will change all that. Most people are going to think of it as an inferior lens, but considering it's pricetag I think we'll all be surprised when we see the images it will produce. I'm thinking of this lens as the new 28-70L, for cropped cameras. It's an L lens in disguise, but can't be called an L because it's not FF. Look at Nikon's 17-55DX. It costs over $1k also. This is how it will turn out to be in terms of quality and perceived quality: Nikon 18-70DX = EF-S Canon 17-85IS Nikon 17-55DX = EF-S Canon 17-55IS If it does turn out to be a competitor in quality to the Nikon, then it will be great. What is has that makes it better than the Nikon though is IS! Some people will argue, is it worth twice as much as the Sigma? To some yes, to others no. The Sigma doesn't have IS, doesn't have USM (or its equivalent), and there's no guarantee of future compatibility of the Sigma on future Canon bodies. Same thing when people compare the Sigma to the Nikon version. To some it's worth the difference, while to others it's not. I think wedding photographers will want this lens badly. It's a perfect range. Has f/2.8 AND IS to boot! There's my take on this new gem of a lens. Only time will tell... Feb 21, 2006 at 05:29 PM

andyjaggy82 Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement 17mm is too long (which is why I went with the 10-22 and put the 17-40 on the shelf) and 55mm Yeah that equates to a 28mm - 90mm range. Constant f2.8 and IS. Sounds like a terrible range and lens to me. Feb 21, 2006 at 05:34 PM

andyjaggy82 Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement 17mm is too long (which is why I went with the 10-22 and put the 17-40 on the shelf) and 55mm is too short Yeah that equates to a 28mm - 90mm range. Constant f2.8 and IS. Sounds like a terrible range and lens to me. Feb 21, 2006 at 05:35 PM

mc05401 Offline Buy and Sell: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement For me the price will be the key. I would be pretty hard pressed to pay >$1,000 for an EF-S lens, just too many other good choices that I could also use on my 1D. If street price were down in the $700-800 range it sure would make a nice wedding/event lens. Feb 21, 2006 at 05:36 PM

panos.v Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement 17-55 is 28-90. Given that Canon's super-duper standard lens that everyone is buying is the 24-70/2.8, you can see how that lens might be useful to people using a 1.6x crop camera. They finally have a fast lens in that range. The other options so far were the 17-40 (f/4, to short on the tele end), the 16-35/2.8( even shorter on the tele end), the slow and so-so 17-85 IS and some so-so attempts by Sigma at f/2.8 (like the 18-50). I'll put this plainly, until now, if someone wanted an all-round fast lens they had to look for a 5D with the 24-70L or the 24-105L. If this lens is any good and is near-L image quality, then there is now a choice: 1) 5D + 24-70L 2) 5D + 24-105L IS 3) 30D/20D + 17-55 IS 4) 350D + 17-55 IS Given that option 4 costs less than the body of a 5D, you might understand my excitement. You might not like the zoom range, but lots of folks (like me) find it very useful. Feb 21, 2006 at 05:44 PM

mudlake Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement For me the price will be the key. I would be pretty hard pressed to pay >$1,000 for an EF-S lens, just too many other good choices that I could also use on my 1D. If street price were down in the $700-800 range it sure would make a nice wedding/event lens. I agree. $1,000 for a non-L lens that can only be used on cropped sensor cameras seems. . .well. . .CRAZY. We're talking a thousand dollars for a walk-around zoom that isn't built like an L and is useless if one ever goes full frame. I'm shaking my head. Feb 21, 2006 at 05:48 PM

ebeaydojraes Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement yep yep yep. I have the 24-70 and 24 is a bit too long for me to view as a walk-around lens. I was considering to buy a 18-200 for that, but now ... i'm not saying i'll be selling my 24-70, because it's 2 damn good and i realy need something longer that 55 for my usual concertstuff, but for vacations it would be a very nice one 2 use (next 2 the 55-200 sigma, which is pretty bad, but nice enough for vacations). Feb 21, 2006 at 06:02 PM

nads Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement I wasn't intrigued by the length when it was a kit lens. Considering the ratings for the Sigma 18-50, and what might be expected from the new tamron release.... that is one hell of a price tag that Canon put on this thing. What's it come to $600 for IS? WOW. Based on the size and weight, I doubt the Canon will be anywhere near the build of the other two. Count me in as not impressed by the EF-S G. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:05 PM

ocean7 Offline Buy and Sell: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement I am not excited at all, although the idea of such a range on my 20D made me think about it. But now : look at this price... what kind of customers are they targeting with a 1k$ EF-S lens? Oh yes it has IS, so what? Useless marketing gizmo if you ask me. Just ask yourself how often you would really shoot in such low light that you would benefit from this, or even ask yourself how you used to shoot when IS wasn't there. Tripod anyone? Beside the price, I am already looking forward to seing some samples. I remember I compared once my 17-40L to the EF-S 17-85. Boy the L kicked the EF-S to the ground real fast. So where should the excitement be? Please help me see the light if I am missing something. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:09 PM

DavidJB Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement If this lense was out 6 months ago, it would have been unlikely that I bought a 17-40L for my 350D. Given the weak lineup of EFS I really questioned Canon's commitment to the 1.6 crop. This makes me a bit more comfortable that an EFS lense investment isn't going to turn out to be betamax. I still expect the 17-40L to give better clarity and colour, but the 2.8 and IS offer great indoor value. Until now, the sigma 18-50 f2.8 was the only alternative...i experienced great sample variation in store, and decided to go with the 'safe' bet of the 17-40. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:09 PM

Greg Feldman Offline Buy and Sell: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement I'm not gonna pay as much for this lens as I would pay for a used copy of the 16-35L. Here's a big question nobody's asked yet: is this new 17-55 lens going to perform great wide-open? If not, then suddenly it's functionally an f/4 lens. In which case I'll save $500 and go with the 17-40L. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:16 PM

ebeaydojraes Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement Rob Galbraith quotes canon as that it is on par with L-glass lenses. The only thing is that it doesn't have Fluoriet elements and it isnt weather-sealed. But the last thing isn't a big thing. It's an EF-S! There is no 1.6x camerabody that is weathersealed. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:20 PM

RobinQW Offline Image Upload: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement Shmackey wrote: I'm not gonna pay as much for this lens as I would pay for a used copy of the 16-35L. Here's a big question nobody's asked yet: is this new 17-55 lens going to perform great wide-open? If not, then suddenly it's functionally an f/4 lens. In which case I'll save $500 and go with the 17-40L. The MTF charts on the Canon site look better than the 16-35. We'll see. This lens will be the answer to a lot of "What lens do I get for my trip over seas?" posts here. It will also make a great wedding photography lens if it performs like a $1000+ lens. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:24 PM

sifpandor Offline Image Upload: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement Does anyone know if Canon has altered the optics in any way? If they reworked the optics so that images favorably compare to the 16-35 and 17-40, they may have a winner. Okay, Canon's consumer lenses have a reputation for being soft wide open, but if you stop this one down one stop to f/4, now you have the potential for images similar to the 17-40 with a wider range, IS, and f/2.8, which takes full advantage of the center focus point on the 20D and presumably the 30D. The only definite loss is weather sealing, but only the 1 series is weather sealed, so I'm not sure that makes that much of a difference. Also, just because the initial price is that high doesn't mean it will always be that high, and consumer grade lenses depreciate faster than the Ls. I won't be getting one, but if I didn't have the 24-70 I may very well consider it. Just sopme thoughts, Mark Feb 21, 2006 at 06:25 PM

clotug Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement Shmackey wrote: I'm not gonna pay as much for this lens as I would pay for a used copy of the 16-35L. Here's a big question nobody's asked yet: is this new 17-55 lens going to perform great wide-open? If not, then suddenly it's functionally an f/4 lens. In which case I'll save $500 and go with the 17-40L. MTF charts look rather good so I have my hopes up high Feb 21, 2006 at 06:26 PM

longshots Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement I excited in the fact that this lens may put some used 35mm 1.4's on the market:-) Feb 21, 2006 at 06:28 PM

abam Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement panos, they're just anti EF-S snobs. try posting the identically superb MTF charts for the 135L and the 60mm 2.8 macro, and put on your flame-retardant suit... "obviously being marketed as a non-pro lens." ...which would make sense, because the vast majority of canon dslr users are enthusiasts with EF-S compatible bodies. "We're talking a thousand dollars for a walk-around zoom that ... is useless if one ever goes full frame." most EF-S body users aren't going to go full frame until FF is in the area pricewise of the 20D/30D. so when 2011 rolls around and one can finally find a FF body for under $2000, they can simply sell their EF-S lenses to one of the millions of 1.6 body users and get new lenses. "...isn't built like an L...." how many of us photograph for national geographic? most just mount their L's to non-sealed bodies - negating the whole weather-sealed system concept, and use them for recording the adventures of being an average citizen. for the kind of shooting that 99% of canon dslr users do, the build qualities of the 10-22 and 60mm 2.8 are more than they need to be. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:29 PM

EOS20 Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement This lens seems to be a nice walkabout lens, I just wish it came in a normal EF mount. If it did I would buy one. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:30 PM

loudtiger Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement EOS20 wrote: This lens seems to be a nice walkabout lens, I just wish it came in a normal EF mount. If it did I would buy one. quoted for truth. but they really just want the pre 20D kids to upgrade. Feb 21, 2006 at 06:37 PM

Hrow Offline Buy and Sell: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement Sorry to say, I am still not getting why all of the excitement. In response to some of the responses... For those who only want to travel with one lens... there are now some very fine P&S cameras that shouldn't be looked down upon and may prove to be more appropriate for family travel as well as a lot less expensive. The new Canon PowerShot S3 looks interesting for the casual stuff and will be good enough to protect from the life long frustration of missing the shot of the century. (I did this fall and am still kicking myself for leaving the camera home because even the 20D and the 24-70 would have been a pain to deal with.) If I am traveling and shooting seriously, there is no one lens that has a range that is sufficent and at least two lens (regardless of body) are going to be going with me. For wedding shooters... I tend to doubt that there are many serious wedding shooters out there who are shooting with a 20D and not planning on upgrading at the first available moment. Certainly some are and doing fine work with the camera but I don't think they represent a market for which Canon would build this lens. Feb 21, 2006 at 07:07 PM

Ozone42 Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement There's a lot of cognitive dissonance in the air today. I think it looks like a great lens. I don't think the price is overinflated if the claims of it's quality are close to true, and looking at the other EF-s lenses I don't doubt the claims. The 10-22 and 60mm macro are completely superb lenses. Feb 21, 2006 at 07:13 PM

RobinQW Offline Image Upload: On Baffled by 17-55 excitement EOS20 wrote: This lens seems to be a nice walkabout lens, I just wish it came in a normal EF mount. If it did I would buy one. If this were a non-EFS mount L-quality for the same money, it would cannibalize 16-35 and 24-70 sales more than it will now. This is a good lens for EF-S mount camera owners who aren't considering an upgrade to FF any time soon. Feb 21, 2006 at 07:19 PM

Talia Offline Image Upload: Off Baffled by 17-55 excitement This new lens makes me wonder if Canon will be announcing a replacement for the 17-40L and/or the 16-35L, to make these L-lenses more desirable relative to the new 17-55/2.8 IS. Time will tell. Feb 21, 2006 at 07:22 PM

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