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p.9 #1 · finally 30D !!!

Steen Bondo wrote:
mfoto wrote:

"The 30D looks like a great camera to me and for the price it will be tough to beat. Unless you are starting from scratch why compare with a D200?"

Because though being on nearly the same price level D200 seems to be in a different league with its much bigger viewfinder that enables you to use manual focus lenses, e.g. the german Zeiss ZF glass for Nikon F mount, soon to hit the shelves.
Now this is something that might have the potential to improve picture quality dramatically.
I think Canon 30D is such a huge disappointment, the camera still having the same tiny little amateur level viewfinder which makes it completely unfit for use with any manual focus lenses, e.g. the awesome Leica glass..
None of all the minor updates (facelifts) from Canon 20D to 30D can be expected to have any substantial implication on picture quality.

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200d and 30d are not even close in the price level and therefore they are not competing for the same market segment. 30d is great camera for the price. I would prefer camera in 200d range though and I hope that canon would make it someday.

Edited on Feb 23, 2006 at 12:06 AM

Feb 22, 2006 at 04:36 PM

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p.9 #2 · finally 30D !!!

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Forum isn't turning the page. Strange, usually the 2nd post on a new page will fix things.

Strange things are happening. After four posts finally page 20 appeared and than it dissapeared again

Edit : and now page 20 is back

It is not turning again so I will try a few posts

Edited on Feb 23, 2006 at 12:06 AM

Feb 22, 2006 at 04:38 PM

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p.9 #3 · finally 30D !!!

Feb 22, 2006 at 04:38 PM

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Feb 22, 2006 at 04:38 PM

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p.9 #5 · finally 30D !!!

grega wrote:

"200d and 30d are not even close in the price level and therefore they are not competing for the same market segment. 30d is great camera for the price. I would prefer camera in 200d range though and I hope that canon would make it someday."

Grega, that last remark of yours is exactly my point. Me too, I had also hoped for a Canon camera in the same range and at a sharp competitive price.
As far as I know the Nikon D200 in the US is $1.699 and the Canon 30D will be $1.399 - or did I miss something here?
If so, the price difference is in other words $300 which equals 21% of the Canon price and 18% of the Nikon price.
To my eyes they are therefore pricewise sufficiently close to justify a careful comparison before I would make my own decision.
And then it makes quite an important impression to me that the D200 with its large viewfinder opens the door to a different world of german Zeiss ZF manual focus lenses which I expect to be the result of a completely different qualitycontrol than the usual Canon and Nikon happy go lucky casino where you never know if you draw a good or a bad sample of a lense on the roulette.
Alternatively you could get access to the awesom german Zeiss and even Leica glass by purchasing Canon 5D plus adapters, but this option belongs in a much higher pricelevel.
5D is still so expensive that I think in that case one might as well wait for the real thing: the Leica M rangefinder camera expected at the end of the year 2006.
Just my personal thoughts on this 30D announcement.

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Steen Bondo

Edited on Feb 23, 2006 at 12:06 AM

Feb 22, 2006 at 08:25 PM

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p.9 #6 · finally 30D !!!

Steen Bondo wrote:
grega wrote:

"200d and 30d are not even close in the price level and therefore they are not competing for the same market segment. 30d is great camera for the price. I would prefer camera in 200d range though and I hope that canon would make it someday."

Grega, that last remark of yours is exactly my point. Me too, I had also hoped for a Canon camera in the same range and at a sharp competitive price.
As far as I know the Nikon D200 in the US is $1.699 and the Canon 30D will be $1.399 - or did I miss something here?
If so, the price difference is in other words $300 which equals 21% of the Canon price and 18% of the Nikon price.
To my eyes they are therefore pricewise sufficiently close to justify a careful comparison before I would make my own decision.
And then it makes quite an important impression to me that the D200 with its large viewfinder opens the door to a different world of german Zeiss ZF manual focus lenses which I expect to be the result of a completely different qualitycontrol than the usual Canon and Nikon happy go lucky casino where you never know if you draw a good or a bad sample of a lense on the roulette.
Alternatively you could get access to the awesom german Zeiss and even Leica glass by purchasing Canon 5D plus adapters, but this option belongs in a much higher pricelevel.
5D is still so expensive that I think in that case one might as well wait for the real thing: the Leica M rangefinder camera expected at the end of the year 2006.
Just my personal thoughts on this 30D announcement.

Kind regards
Steen Bondo

When 20d was announced it was priced at 1500$ (or even 1599$?? I'm not sure) and is going for 1200$. 30d is announced at 1390$ and should be going for 1100$. Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong. So that means that 200d would be 55% more than 30d.
If I'm right than 30d looks VERY good camera for the price.

I think that there are many canon shooters like you and me who want 1800$ crop camera. We were expecting it now and that is why we are disappointed by 30d. But when you realize that it is not competing with 200d but with 70ds it becomes very very good camera.

Feb 23, 2006 at 12:06 AM


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