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p.4 #1 · finally 30D !!!

8mp is fine with me. I would never need more. BUT I was expecting at least one big upgrade in 30d. Like 6 frames per second or better AF performance... ISO in viewfinder and spot metering are great but not worth the upgrade for me.
10d and 300d owners should jump on it while most 20d owners need to wait one more year.

I believe that there are many owners of 20d who would buy a better camera in a 1800-2000$ range. IMO if Canon is not going to make one in that range is making a big mistake. I can't justify 1d series and I don't need FF but I would love to buy something in 1800$ range.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 09:55 AM

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p.4 #2 · finally 30D !!!

The 30D certainly fixes all the minor complaints about the 20D, and turns it into a pretty solid camera, but it's most likely not worth upgrading from the 20D for most people.

I think it's a good thing Canon released the 5D. I think it's the most important camera in the lineup right now.

Are we expecting any new camera announcements, or is the 30D all we're getting for now? I'm excited about the new 85, and any other new lenses as well...

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Feb 21, 2006 at 09:55 AM

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p.4 #3 · finally 30D !!!

I don't understand... why an 85mm f1.2L II.

What was wrong with the first version - tried and tested benchmark for portrait lenses...

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Feb 21, 2006 at 09:57 AM

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p.4 #4 · finally 30D !!!

Probably wishful thinking, but wonder if D200 will push down price of 30D to about $1100 street (pretty likely) and 5D to around $2900 (maybe less likely).

The 30D is probably a very nice camera, but it seems uncharacteristically non-aggressive for Canon right now as the DSLR market is heating up.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 09:58 AM

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p.4 #5 · finally 30D !!!

pascal03 wrote:
I don't understand... why an 85mm f1.2L II.

What was wrong with the first version - tried and tested benchmark for portrait lenses...

The only flaw of the old version seems to be the slow focus, that should be fixed now

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:00 AM

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p.4 #6 · finally 30D !!!

it had something to do with passing distance information to the body for e-ttl II calculations.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:15 AM

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p.4 #7 · finally 30D !!!

Now my 20D is obsolete.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:20 AM

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p.4 #8 · finally 30D !!!

I've read pretty much every thread here and no one has mentioned what I consider to be *THE* most important thing

the 30D won't produce better quality images than the 20D

All the fluff and bluster about spot-metering and 3FPS is well and good, but the simple fact is if you have a 20D you can still take photos exactly and precisely as good as if you buy the newer model.

For me the ONLY significant and useful upgrade is ISO in 1/3rd stops like my 5D.

Personally speaking, I won't be trading up

David

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:20 AM

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p.4 #9 · finally 30D !!!

dhphoto wrote:
I've read pretty much every thread here and no one has mentioned what I consider to be *THE* most important thing

the 30D won't produce better quality images than the 20D

All the fluff and bluster about spot-metering and 3FPS is well and good, but the simple fact is if you have a 20D you can still take photos exactly and precisely as good as if you buy the newer model.

For me the ONLY significant and useful upgrade is ISO in 1/3rd stops like my 5D.

Personally speaking, I won't be trading up

David

If the revised shutter report is true, then technically I expect the 20D to be noisier than the 30D

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:26 AM

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p.4 #10 · finally 30D !!!

'Relatively' slow focus. The old 1.2 is pretty snappy for most uses.

Hugely disappointed in Canon, yet again. A tiny tweak to the 1DmkII, an overpriced FF 20D and now a 20Dn with an overambitious name. Not exactly a gripping line-up of recent releases. Kind off get the impression its all about sheer money making at the moment at the expense of innovation with either minor tweaks or under specifying.

Wheres my APS-C 3D uber-cam, Canon?

As most of the improvements are tiny, can we assume a firmware upgrade will be made available a la D70s, Mr.Canon?
Of course not, something for nothing is against company policy. Can't believe I waited with baited breath for this. 1DmkII for me, no question.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:27 AM

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p.4 #11 · finally 30D !!!

dhphoto wrote:
I've read pretty much every thread here and no one has mentioned what I consider to be *THE* most important thing

the 30D won't produce better quality images than the 20D

All the fluff and bluster about spot-metering and 3FPS is well and good, but the simple fact is if you have a 20D you can still take photos exactly and precisely as good as if you buy the newer model.

For me the ONLY significant and useful upgrade is ISO in 1/3rd stops like my 5D.

Personally speaking, I won't be trading up

David

I won't either. The 5D is my main camera now and I love it. The 20D is still good enough for backup and for telephoto

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:27 AM

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p.4 #12 · finally 30D !!!

What a stupid "upgrade" , had the thing been 11-12 mpix I would have bought one in a heartbeat to compliment my 5d

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:37 AM

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p.4 #13 · finally 30D !!!

If the revised shutter report is true, then technically I expect the 20D to be noisier than the 30D

But you see that is my point...so what!...I'm really not trying to be rude, but so what if the 30D is *slightly* quieter, so what if it has spot-metering when I've got an immediate accurate review of exposure with a histogram

So what if I actually have to look at the top of the camera instead of through it to change or check the ISO

It's an upgrade, that's great it still hasn't fixed the daft mirror-lock-up issue and it will still take exactly the same pictures.

The point I'm trying to make is that great, Canon have made a new and better version of an already excellent camera, but there's nothing new and aren't we so damn lucky to be able to complain and create hundreds of web-column-inces about the focusing algorythm and the re-designed toggle selector

David

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:42 AM

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p.4 #14 · finally 30D !!!

Sprout Crumble wrote:
an overpriced FF 20D.

Ever actually used a 5D?

Fantastic fantastic camera and MUCH MUCH more than an overpriced FF 20D

David

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:44 AM

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p.4 #15 · finally 30D !!!

dhphoto wrote:
Sprout Crumble wrote:
an overpriced FF 20D.

Ever actually used a 5D?

Fantastic fantastic camera and MUCH MUCH more than an overpriced FF 20D

David

Same here. I really love my 5D

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:50 AM

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p.4 #16 · finally 30D !!!

Wow, what an amazing thread. I can't believe people think the 30D is ...ummm... "yawn". Seriously, what was everyone expecting from an "enthusiasts consumer camera".

As someone pointed out, the 30D fixes all those little things we have been wanting in the 20D. The price is right, the target market is right. If you need more camera, then get the 5D, or above.

The 20D is still selling well, the 30D will continue to uphold that tradition.

But where are all the people that had "inside" information that the 30D would be 10-12 Mpixels?

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:53 AM

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p.4 #17 · finally 30D !!!

I would say that it definitely is a surprise that Canon didn’t increase the megapixel count – at least from a marketing point of view. But maybe we have reached a limit where it wasn’t possible to add more pixels on the 1.6 crop CMOS sensor without making some sacrifice in the noise department?

Anyway the 30D confirms that getting the 5D wasn’t a bad move at all for me.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 10:56 AM

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p.4 #18 · finally 30D !!!

Will the old 20D battery grip still fit? Or is that part of the 'suck all the money out of upgraders' strategy as well?

Bubba

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:04 AM

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p.4 #19 · finally 30D !!!

The 5d is nothing more than a 20d with a FF sensor with perhaps an extra frill or so , fooling yourself that it is much much more is silly . One would NEVER pay the price of a 5d over a 20d if it didnt have the FF sensor.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:05 AM

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p.4 #20 · finally 30D !!!

I think it will be great, I have the 5D and the 1DMIIN, the 2.5" LCD is such a huge upgrade from 1.8". Once you've used it, you can't go back. This also shows us that there isn't alot to upgrade these days. Technology has leveled off quite a bit. The 20D is a great camera, the 30D with the 2.5" LCD will be an awesome camera.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:07 AM

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p.4 #21 · finally 30D !!!

THANK YOU CANON

still havnt given me a full frame...but the 11 shot raw buffer has just sold me this camera. for me atleast, this will be the first affordable (for me) digital camera that will do my job....kind of.

i shoot surfing and this will let me shoot digitally from the beach and channel, still need a full frame body to shoot fisheye...the 5D will be fine when I can afford it. i can live with film for that for now.

i'm not complaining = )

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:16 AM

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p.4 #22 · finally 30D !!!

CANON FAILED THIS TIME. I think this is the turning point for them. I was planning to upgrade and switch to Canon. But unbelievable they did not care about. Seems they were not so busy with this line.

NIKON D200 is much much better. People do not analysed very well. D200 at high ISO is not worst than D20. I made a depp analysis comparing lots of reviews.

Currently for prices D200 for 1500 Street Price are MUCH MUCH better than this.

I am sad but Canon Loosing people who wants to switch to them.

Ohhh what did you done my friend ?

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:21 AM

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p.4 #23 · finally 30D !!!

onder wrote:
CANON FAILED THIS TIME. I think this is the turning point for them. I was planning to upgrade and switch to Canon. But unbelievable they did not care about. Seems they were not so busy with this line.

NIKON D200 is much much better. People do not analysed very well. D200 at high ISO is not worst than D20. I made a depp analysis comparing lots of reviews.

Currently for prices D200 for 1500 Street Price are MUCH MUCH better than this.

I am sad but Canon Loosing people who wants to switch to them.

Ohhh what did you done my friend ?

Troll.
1500 street price are you nuts, where? this camera is demanding a premium!

If you have tried a 20D it is a VERY capable camera. The 30D fixes almost ALL the little niggles that people complained about. So for a few hundred more than the current 20D, the newer 30D can be yours! I am certain that the newer feautures will make the camera worth those that don't already have a 20D moving toward Canon.

The D200 DOES have some issues. I bought 2 bodies, 1 had SERIOUS banding issues, 1 was perfect. Sold the perfect one for $200 more than I paid on Ebay, because I have canon lenses. I bought the D200 more out of curiosity than anything, and I can say that both are good solutions....but the photographer is THE most important part of the equation, not the little details about which body you own, its just a tool to work with.

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:27 AM

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p.4 #24 · finally 30D !!!

I think Canon spent their R&D budget for the year developing the fantastic 5D and only had a little left to make relatively minor upgrdades to the 1DII and 20D.

Whilst I personally wouldn't change to Nikon I fear a lot of the measurebators will see the 10 Meg Nikon offering and buy that in preference to the better 20D/30D

Time will tell but Canon rarely get it wrong

David

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Feb 21, 2006 at 11:27 AM

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p.4 #25 · finally 30D !!!

bubbablair wrote:
Will the old 20D battery grip still fit? Or is that part of the 'suck all the money out of upgraders' strategy as well?

Bubba

If you will be buying 30d than HOPE that it WON'T fit.

Edited on Feb 23, 2006 at 12:06 AM

Feb 21, 2006 at 11:29 AM


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