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p.3 #1 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

rd4tile wrote:
RGS65 wrote:

I think the 24-105 will settle in price as soon as the initial demand is satisfied. It's already in the general price range of the 24-70. I expect it will settle in around $1000 but who knows.

This would make more sense to me, and it would be more attractive in this range.

Jan 20, 2006 at 06:49 PM

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p.3 #2 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

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This may seem like a silly question, but does anyone have (or could you take) a picture of the 2 of these side-by-side. People always talk about the size of the 24-70, but from seeing it at BH a while back, I felt that the 24-105 felt the same. Obviously this is not the case considering that the 24-105 is 30% lighter.

Anyway, just though it would be interesting to see the difference in size/ for practicality of having it as a walkaround lens
M

Matt, the difference isn't huge but it is noticeable. On a 20D the 24-70 is somewhat ill balanced and the 24-105 just "seems" better.

Jan 20, 2006 at 06:51 PM

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p.3 #3 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Hrow wrote:
The incrediably fine detail in capitalK's shot is what I didn't see in the 24-105. I would love to think it was there. Can anyone offer a similar demonstration with the 24-105?

Thanks Hrow,

That shot is RAW processed to JPG though Apple Aperture with absolutely zero sharpening. Straight from the camera. I was really happy with the detail and once I saw that shot at 100% I knew I made the right decision buying the 24-70 L.

Jan 20, 2006 at 06:53 PM

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p.3 #4 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Here's an ugly shot, but demonstrates the sharpness. JPG right out of my 20D.
105mm f/4 1/60th sec

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Jan 20, 2006 at 07:01 PM

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p.3 #5 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

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Robert wrote: "True.......only if you do not have a tripod or refuse to use one. I just think it is overpriced/overvalued personally. Curious how much of the 24-105 price you think is the IS value? Isn't/shouldn't this lens really be a $800 lens? Is IS worth $400+ ? "

If you are asking whether IS is worth $400 to the photographer, that is a question that only the photographer can answer.

If you are asking if the 24-105 is overpriced compared to other lenses in its class, I don't think so. Look at the difference in price between the IS and non-IS versions of the 70-200mm f.2.8 L as a starting point. Now take Canon L non-IS lenses that might be sort of equivalent to the 24-105, such as the 17-40mm f4 or the 70-200 f4. These lenses sell in the roughly $600-$700 range.

Add to this the difference in cost between the IS and non-IS 70-200 lenses and you'll see that the cost of the 24-105 is just about what you would predict it to be.

Of course, if Canon wants to sell it for less I won't mind at all... ;-)

Dan

I see yes, but $400-$600 seems steep for IS and extra reach, but losing a stop. Seems like it should be a wash to me. If the IS is an even swap for loss of the extra stop, then you are paying $400-600 for the 70-105mm focal length? If the 24-105 settles in at the 24-70 price it seems to make more sense to me. As you say, though, it depends on the individual on their needs.

Jan 20, 2006 at 07:05 PM

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p.3 #6 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

xmattkx wrote:
This may seem like a silly question, but does anyone have (or could you take) a picture of the 2 of these side-by-side. People always talk about the size of the 24-70, but from seeing it at BH a while back, I felt that the 24-105 felt the same. Obviously this is not the case considering that the 24-105 is 30% lighter.

Anyway, just though it would be interesting to see the difference in size/ for practicality of having it as a walkaround lens
M

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-24-105mm-f-4-L-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

Yes, the 24-105 is 30% less weight and 13% less in length compared to the 24-70. I have a new 5D and decided on the 24-105 for a good all-around lens. I hate large heavy lenses and this is about as small a zoom I could find that was highly rated.

Jan 20, 2006 at 07:31 PM

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p.3 #7 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

I like the sharpness of the 24-105 as well.
A friend at work - 1/10s f/4 at 105mm iso800

Jan 20, 2006 at 08:45 PM

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p.3 #8 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

That's sharpened in PS though, isn't it?

Jan 20, 2006 at 08:54 PM

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p.3 #9 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Edit: Double post.

Edited by capitalK on Jan 20, 2006 at 04:39 PM GMT

Jan 20, 2006 at 08:54 PM

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p.3 #10 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

A couple of shots with the 24-105L

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Jan 20, 2006 at 09:29 PM

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p.3 #11 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

I find I use the 24-70L most of the time. I think it is just great. I have no experience with the 24-105 so I can not comment on it. Here is one I like with existing light.

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Jan 20, 2006 at 09:32 PM

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p.3 #12 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Now we are getting there! Nice 24-105 shoots - let's see some more!

Jan 20, 2006 at 09:35 PM

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p.3 #13 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Here is a good comparision between 24-70 and 24-105:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/28-105.shtml

My decision has not made yet as to which one to own but I'm leaning
toward the 24-105 after reading the comparision.

Jan 20, 2006 at 10:08 PM

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p.3 #14 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

You can search PBase by lens:

24-105/4L IS
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/ef_24-105_4l_is_usm

24-70/2.8L
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/ef_2470_28u

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Jan 21, 2006 at 02:28 AM

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p.3 #15 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Looks like the 24-105 is kicking butt.

Jan 21, 2006 at 04:29 AM

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p.3 #16 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

I'm sort of a hack but here are some on my humble shots with the 24-105 (which I really like).

I'd rather have both but if push came to shove I'd take the 24-105 and a fast prime over the 24-70...

Jan 21, 2006 at 04:48 AM

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p.3 #17 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Hrow wrote:
What I wasn't OK with was the image quality as it was not on par with my 24-70. I acknowledge that it may have been my copy but I have noted that a number of others have felt the same way.

I've no doubt that the 24-105 you tried was not up to your 24-70. Did you get a bad copy of the 24-105 or do you just have a great 24-70? (rhetorical question I know!)

As far as my experience with the 24-70 - 24-105 goes (they appear very equal to me IQ wise) did I get a great 24-105 or just have a bad 24-70?

I think the problem here is that we are all splitting hairs!

The 24-70 has certainly not been immune from the good copy/bad copy argument over the years! (I remember agonizing over mine, I thought it should be able to replace a 35L I had at the time!)

Jan 21, 2006 at 05:01 AM

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p.3 #18 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

emgvod wrote:
I'm sort of a hack but here are some on my humble shots with the 24-105 (which I really like).

Good job!

I'll bet your car shots were done at f8 - high ISO and slower shutter speeds, just the kind of shots the 24-105 is good for.

Jan 21, 2006 at 05:15 AM

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p.3 #19 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Rich,

That indeed is the question of the day. For my shooting, I would prefer the 24-105 as theoritically, it is the perfect lens for me. I'll probably get another one in the spring to try it out and compare once again. The funny thing about it was that if I did a standard lens test,ie. boxes, walls and such, the two lens were virtually indistinguishable. However, when I looked at real world images there was a difference. At first I thought it was me being picky but I had a bunch of non-photographers compare the images and every one of them picked the 24-70 as the better quality image each and every time. Believe me, it wasn't what I wanted to hear as I rarely need 2.8, love the IS and it is enough smaller that it cases better with the rest of my kit.

Jan 21, 2006 at 05:25 AM

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p.3 #20 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Ron... very cool cat!

Mike... nice cars! I'll trade you my 24-70 for the Cobra.

Jan 21, 2006 at 05:27 AM

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p.3 #21 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

rd4tile wrote:

I'll bet your car shots were done at f8 - high ISO and slower shutter speeds, just the kind of shots the 24-105 is good for.

I was trying to keep the ISO down so IS certainly helped. Exif is in the images but the Indy car was 24mm, f8, 1/13, Enzo 24mm, f8, 1/40, Cobra 24mm, f4, 1/20 - I do believe that IS helped on the first and thrid pics quite a bit. Compression for web obviously hurts sharpness - 100% crops are tack sharp.

MIke

Jan 21, 2006 at 05:31 AM

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p.3 #22 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

IS - a marketing gimmick? Let's see your best 105mm shot at 1/12 hand held less than 18 inches from the subject.

BTW, the "fuzziness" around the word menu is the texture of the printer - the shot is razor sharp.

Jan 21, 2006 at 06:24 AM

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p.3 #23 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

I'll throw in my ¢.02. I've had two 24-70L's, two 28-70L's one Tamron 28-75 and the 24-105L IS. All the 24-70L's and 28-70L's were not as sharp as the Tamron and the Tamron is not as sharp as my 24-105L IS. The color and contrast is better on the 24-105 as well. All in all, I'm extremely happy with the 24-105L. The IS allows me to handhold very slow shutter speeds. If I want shallow DOF for portrait work, I shoot with my primes. The 24-105 is my absolute favorite lens though. The only thing I wish it had was f2.8, but for now I'm happy with it and my choice. (I traded a 24-70L + 85mm f1.8 for the 24-105L IS and some cash)

Jan 21, 2006 at 07:12 AM

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p.3 #24 · Best 24-70 v. 24-105

Joe Marques wrote:
IS - a marketing gimmick? Let's see your best 105mm shot at 1/12 hand held less than 18 inches from the subject.

BTW, the "fuzziness" around the word menu is the texture of the printer - the shot is razor sharp.

The lens looks good, but why would I want to take this shot? And I could take a sharper one with a tripod. I think the previous posts better describe the benefits of the lens.

Jan 21, 2006 at 02:39 PM

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akivisuals wrote:
I'll throw in my ¢.02. I've had two 24-70L's, two 28-70L's one Tamron 28-75 and the 24-105L IS. All the 24-70L's and 28-70L's were not as sharp as the Tamron and the Tamron is not as sharp as my 24-105L IS. The color and contrast is better on the 24-105 as well. All in all, I'm extremely happy with the 24-105L. The IS allows me to handhold very slow shutter speeds. If I want shallow DOF for portrait work, I shoot with my primes. The 24-105 is my absolute favorite lens though. The only thing I wish it had was f2.8, but for now I'm happy with it and my choice. (I traded a 24-70L + 85mm f1.8 for the 24-105L IS and some cash)

I really appreciate your comments here, but I just do not get the bottom line: "The only thing I wish it had was f2.8" You are saying your 24-105 was the sharpest? Sharper than your 24-70s? That is the first time I have heard that. I guess I have to at least take a look at one of those Tammys. You are lucky to have had all three

Jan 21, 2006 at 02:43 PM


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