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p.1 #1 · Food for thought.........................................................

A friend of mine, who also shoots with Nikon DSLRs, described the feeding frenzy that surrounds the introduction of the D200 to me this way in email......

"It's the upscale version of people bashing each others heads in at Wal-Mart for $400 laptops..."

I thought that was pretty funny, with an element of truth in it. Comment?

Scott Wong

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Well, what´s wrong with that as long as you get a decent quality for your money? Cheap is not everything, and usually you get what you pay for, but I think that the camera makers might have a much larger margin in their products than PC makers. I love my D2X but is a product out of robotized industrial production really really worth 4500$ in comparison to what you get with your TV, Car, or dishwashing machine?

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Nicodad wrote:
Well, what´s wrong with that as long as you get a decent quality for your money? Cheap is not everything, and usually you get what you pay for, but I think that the camera makers might have a much larger margin in their products than PC makers. I love my D2X but is a product out of robotized industrial production really really worth 4500$ in comparison to what you get with your TV, Car, or dishwashing machine?

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My friend's comment was really social commentary about the consumeristic mentality of Nikon boards---not the speed of technology affecting price.

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Scott

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p.1 #4 · Food for thought.........................................................

I think it's pretty funny Scott. It isn't only Nikon boards though. It's amazing what people blow their money on and the pace that they blow their money.

I'll admit I have my camera goodies, but I bought them only after all other debt (except my mortgage, which we're paying triple payments on) was gone.

Andrew

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Fundy wrote:
I think it's pretty funny Scott. It isn't only Nikon boards though. It's amazing what people blow their money on and the pace that they blow their money.

I'll admit I have my camera goodies, but I bought them only after all other debt (except my mortgage, which we're paying triple payments on) was gone.

Andrew

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You're right, Andrew---and it's not only Nikon boards. It's also Canon boards, and computer boards, etc. It's the "I Need the Latest" Syndrome.

Scott

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p.1 #6 · Food for thought.........................................................

As far as the social commentary part of this is concerned: ever wondered how things would be if our society was matriarchal? Maybe this is something like "boys and their toys". Women don´t like to change things that work for something that works better, because good is good enough to them. With women sitting in mens places we might still work with 8086, if we had any computers at all. So maybe this is not so much "People spending their money" but "Men spending their money". Or maybe better "The Boy in the man"

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Steffan---Are you for real? I haven't read such sexist poppycock in ages. And Germany now with a woman at your helm. Good grief.

Suzanne

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Soenda wrote:
Steffan---Are you for real? I haven't read such sexist poppycock in ages. And Germany now with a woman at your helm. Good grief.

Suzanne

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Uh oh...Steffan, yer in trouble now!

:-)

Scott

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p.1 #10 · Food for thought.........................................................

Never thought that a woman would complain if someone thought things might be better with women as social leaders....
What I dare to mean was that man might buy things more on the "want" than the "need" basis. Well, maybe women do too- not cameras maybe, but shoes?
And for our chanceler ( chanceleresse?)- she didn´t buy now cameras for the government. Until now. But the day is still young.
Bye the way- what is puppycock? Can´t find it my dictionary. Closer explanation plse.

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p.1 #11 · Food for thought.........................................................

Ah Steffan, you're squirming now :-) And you add insult to injury by raising that old stereotypical image of women and shoes. I'll have you know I only have 15 pairs of shoes, and I "need" all of them. All that said, I "need" a D200. Like my good friend Goldilocks says, the D2X is toooo big. And the D50 is tooooo small. But the D200 is just right.

Cheers, Karen.

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p.1 #12 · Food for thought.........................................................

Ooooh, Steffen you must not know women very well. If it weren't for women, every economy in the world would collapse. Purses, shoes, makeup, hair styles, clothing, perfumes, appliances, homes ..................etc. The list goes on and on. It's us men that are more complacent about what we have. Just look at Scott and his D1X.

15 pairs of shoes

That's a start.

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Nov 27, 2005 at 04:06 PM

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p.1 #14 · Food for thought.........................................................

Scott,

I do not stand in lines. "Well" not if I can help it, not by choice, had enough in the service.
Your 2 links were very nice to look through, I enjoy them!

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Nicodad wrote:
As far as the social commentary part of this is concerned: ever wondered how things would be if our society was matriarchal? Maybe this is something like "boys and their toys". Women don´t like to change things that work for something that works better, because good is good enough to them. With women sitting in mens places we might still work with 8086, if we had any computers at all. So maybe this is not so much "People spending their money" but "Men spending their money". Or maybe better "The Boy in the man"

1. Poppycock = Unsinn, Blödsinn, dummes Zeug, Flause

2. Matriarchy, and its counterpart, patriarchy, are systems in which family authority is in the hands of one gender or another. Those of us who believe that men and women are different, but that they are entitled to equal rights, work toward a society in which family authority is shared. That includes making decisions about how to spend the family resources.

3. Women don´t like to change things that work for something that works better, because good is good enough to them. In the US, studies have shown that women purchase 50% of the electronics (computers, video games, etc.) and 65% of the cars. Hardly likely if "good is still good enough to (women). That would have women playing the earliest versions of PacMan and Frogger according to your logic. Woman make purchasing decisions based on different criteria than men. For example, fuel efficiency is more important to women than to men. Regarding digital cameras, women make up 53% of the current market.

4. Judging by the number of women joining the threads here on FM about new cameras about to come on the market, it CAN be said that women don't spend as much time speculating about the new features, arguing about comparitive advantages, etc.

Steffan---Women don't want to take over, they want to take part. In photography, women are not still using Brownie Box cameras, they take advantage of new technology as fast or faster than men. It may be a point and shoot, but it will have all the bells and whistles they can afford.

Suzanne

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Nov 27, 2005 at 08:48 PM

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Soenda wrote:
4. Judging by the number of women joining the threads here on FM about new cameras about to come on the market, it CAN be said that women don't spend as much time speculating about the new features, arguing about comparitive advantages, etc.

And bless their hearts for that. My girlfriend is as discriminating about her gear as the next person, and will quite happily upgrade her equipment when she sees that a tangible benefit to her workflow exists. What she won't do is upgrade because just because she can.

She's happy that I am more into the gear speculation, since it makes it easier for her to keep abreast of the latest developments (i.e, she asks me, instead of wasting the kind of time I do in a gear forum... women are a lot smarter than we can ever imagine...

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The other day, she called me to tell me that one of her family acquaintances just received a $4000 engagement ring. Then she made me promise that I would not waste that kind of money on a 'stupid ring' with a 'big ugly diamond' on it. She was actually sincere about this, as evidenced by her next statement;

'Can you imagine how much lighting equipment we could buy for $4000??'

It was just more confirmation that I really am the luckiest man alive!

Arka C.

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Nicodad wrote:
What I dare to mean was that man might buy things more on the "want" than the "need" basis. Well, maybe women do too- not cameras maybe, but shoes?

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Digging a deeper and deeper hole.....

:-)

Scott

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p.1 #18 · Food for thought.........................................................

GSteele wrote:
It's us men that are more complacent about what we have. Just look at Scott and his D1X.:D

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....not to mention a 34 year old motorcycle....

:-)

Scott

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p.1 #19 · Food for thought.........................................................

Skeeter Camby wrote:
Scott,

I do not stand in lines. "Well" not if I can help it, not by choice, had enough in the service.
Your 2 links were very nice to look through, I enjoy them!

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Thanks!

:-)

Scott

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p.1 #20 · Food for thought.........................................................

Scott you must be really complacent with his bike and the hore , hell he wouldn't even pay extra for a you that opperates with an elec button..

Sorry Scott, just saw an opportunity. LMAO . You have a shot for all things.

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lordarka wrote:
Soenda wrote:
4. Judging by the number of women joining the threads here on FM about new cameras about to come on the market, it CAN be said that women don't spend as much time speculating about the new features, arguing about comparitive advantages, etc.

And bless their hearts for that. My girlfriend is as discriminating about her gear as the next person, and will quite happily upgrade her equipment when she sees that a tangible benefit to her workflow exists. What she won't do is upgrade because just because she can.

She's happy that I am more into the gear speculation, since it makes it easier for her to keep abreast of the latest developments (i.e, she asks me, instead of wasting the kind of time I do in a gear forum... women are a lot smarter than we can ever imagine...

Arka C.

Truly, you are blessed with a very practical woman. You both will get so much more out sharing photography than a high mark up, "prove your love" hunk of metal and mineral.

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p.1 #23 · Food for thought.........................................................

Wow, I wouldn't know what to do with 15 pairs of shoes, but I'd have no trouble figuring out what to do with a D200...

Gerald

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Arka C.

You may be right about that! My wife got an "engagement bicycle"... Much more useful than a piece of jewelry. And incidentally, she was proud of the money being spent on that instead of an engagement ring! And also incidentally, we just "upgraded" her bicycle this year. I had a friend who's wife "upgraded" the diamond engagement ring he had bought her (with his VERY HARD earned money - he was an underemployed artist) less than a year after they got married. She went from a 1/4 carat diamond to a 1/2 carat. I still remember how appalled I was. It's the symbolism that counts here, not the size or cost. The whole thing becomes meaningless then. I still remember when I was looking at engagement bands, and how the jewelers actually have a formula based on income that you're supposed to use to find the size diamond that you "should" buy!

Engagement bands are also part of our consumer society. The sooner we (both men and woman) can "divorce" ourselves from those trappings the better.

Gerald

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p.1 #25 · Food for thought.........................................................

Karen80 wrote:
Ah Steffan, you're squirming now :-) And you add insult to injury by raising that old stereotypical image of women and shoes.Cheers, Karen.

Well, maybe - a little squirming once in a while...

Hej, we went through 4 or 8 or I don´t know how many seasons of "Sex And The City". Almost half of what´s going on there is based on women and shoes.
And at least some of the authors were women.

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