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p.1 #1 · Multi-Cam D200

Nikon D70 = Multi Cam 900
Nikon D1X = Multi Cam 1300
Nikon D2X = Multi Cam 2000

Nikon D200 = Multi Cam 1000. Is this new AF slower than the old D1X or is it a new type of Multi Cam which is better ...?

Does anyone know?

Skis

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p.1 #2 · Multi-Cam D200

I pretty much believe that there is very little legacy stuff in the D200, it has a better shutter than the D1x, it has the 11 point AF (only one cross type tho ) just like the D2x as well as a new WB sensor , and the RGB Matrix II metering along with the ability to use Legacy lenses. This is really the maturation of the dslr, price , performance, build, speed, buffer CLS , grip , MLU sync socket etc

in other words even better than the F100 ever was

J

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p.1 #3 · Multi-Cam D200

If the numbers are any indication the Multi Cam 1300 is a step up from the 900 that they put in the D70.
I can live with the reality that the D2X with MC 2000 is indeed the top dog in the litter. After all you got to get a lot more for your $3,300 extra.
John

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p.1 #4 · Multi-Cam D200

MultiCam 1000 is actually pretty impressive. An upgrade to the 900 with some of the D2x features and most of the focusing algorithms. What is to be determined is the focusing motor. On a D2x even an old 180/2.8 focuses quickly. The ability to change focus patterns is rather unique and if it performs as well as some of the Nikon reps have suggested it will be a tremendous value at its price point. I've not had the chance to shoot any sports with it but in the studio it did well even with the 70-180micro which is slow as dirt.

marc

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p.1 #5 · Multi-Cam D200

I am in agreement with both Johns. Remember that the CAM-1000 is a new AF of which we know nothing in this country, since the camera has not been tested yet. I have to believe that it has to be great because it is new technology and makes no sense, knowing Nikon like I do, that they come out with a partially capable AF in a new camera. It certainly does not make sense to me.
You will have to wait till reports begin to show in these forums from actual users. If you are waiting for one of these, I am sure you are not going to be disappointed. I m not in any waiting list but makes me happy to know I will be able to use my AIs lenses on it.
Time will tell us the kind of beast this one is.
William Rodriguez
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p.1 #6 · Multi-Cam D200

my guess here is that it is a very similar motor to the D70, which is slower than the D2X on an Af-d lens with improved 'intelligence'

Just the nomenclature suggests that it isnt going to be D2X quality, which I think is a good thing for the D2X sales and the D2H replacement camera...

They cant give you everything, I suppose, and I am suprised that the viewfinder is going to be as good as it seems...

I think, although I dont know, that the D2X motor is of significant size, and that it might be hard to fit the best focusing motor into a smaller body.

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p.1 #7 · Multi-Cam D200

rffffffff wrote:
my guess here is that it is a very similar motor to the D70, which is slower than the D2X on an Af-d lens with improved 'intelligence'

Just the nomenclature suggests that it isnt going to be D2X quality, which I think is a good thing for the D2X sales and the D2H replacement camera...

They cant give you everything, I suppose, and I am suprised that the viewfinder is going to be as good as it seems...

I think, although I dont know, that the D2X motor is of significant size, and that it might be hard to fit the best focusing motor into a smaller body.

The F100 had a better motor than the F80.

Gerald

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p.1 #8 · Multi-Cam D200

Thanks for your answers ...
I shoot a lot of sports so I'm very interested in the AF and since I have a D1X today I don't want a camera with an AF which is slower. I guess I simply have to wait for all the different test results from photografers from all over the world before I buy a D200.

Skis

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p.1 #9 · Multi-Cam D200

skis wrote:
Thanks for your answers ...
I shoot a lot of sports so I'm very interested in the AF and since I have a D1X today I don't want a camera with an AF which is slower. I guess I simply have to wait for all the different test results from photografers from all over the world before I buy a D200.

Skis

As we have little information on how quick the D200 can spin a non-AFS lens I too am a little sceptical on it's performance equalling that of it's film counterpart the F100 or D1X. As Rob pointed out, the nomenclature suggests something less than the F100s CAM1300, which if true, is a big disappointment for me.

Another concern of mine is the AF sensor layout. Sure theres lots of them, but from the couple of reviews I've read, the senors seem to be clustered around the central part of the frame leaving large voids around the outer edges of the frame - especially the corners. Perhaps I'm not understanding how the new system works but at this point in time I'll remain cautious as to how it's AF will perform.

Like yourself, once the honeymoon is over and real reports start coming in, I'll decide then if the camera is worth moving up to. Otherwise it seems to be a desirable camera

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p.1 #10 · Multi-Cam D200

rffffffff wrote:
....and the D2H replacement camera...

Would this likely be a D3H? maybe with the same sensor as the D200....

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p.1 #11 · Multi-Cam D200

From what I understand the number in the CAM designation is approximately the number of CCD elements in the AF system.

The CAM 1300 was released same time as the F5 so about 97? So it is fairly old but it did support some fantastic cameras namely F5, F100 and the D1 series DSLR's.

Many hoped for a DSLR in the mould of the F100 and initially it looks like Nikon delivered but .... I am skeptical for a number of reasons. I think this is the first time a DSLR will be released with an MSRP similar to that of it's film counter part (assuming this would be the F100).

So the question remains is this in fact a maturation of the DSLR evolution? Motor strength, will it be up to the standards of the F100/F5/D1's? I am sure the CAM 1000 will be some marvel of technology but how much did they strip the truly evolutionary CAM 2000 to create it or was it something off the drawing board (somehow I don't think so).

Basically my guess = the CAM 1000 is a stripped CAM 2000 but at what cost. Combo'd with whatever motor they put into the D200 will it in fact rival it's film counterparts, exceed or fall short.

Being a skeptic there are a few questions I would like answered.

I am sure it will be a camera capable of fantastic images, there is no doubt in my mind. My question is it a logical step up for me personally or do I still look to the D2 series for my next camera. The answers lie in the hands on real world performance of the D200 and I wait for those, I'm no hurry as my D2 purchase isn't slated to happen till 06 anyway.

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p.1 #12 · Multi-Cam D200

Bert MacGregor wrote:
[Skis

As we have little information on how quick the D200 can spin a non-AFS lens I too am a little sceptical on it's performance equalling that of it's film counterpart the F100 or D1X. As Rob pointed out, the nomenclature suggests something less than the F100s CAM1300, which if true, is a big disappointment for me.

Hmm. This IS the predetermined intentional replacement for the D100 isn`t it?
I think it`s a rather safe bet that the Cam 1000 in the D200 is improved (at least from a the focussing standpoint) from what`s in the D100.
Do you honestly think Nikon would take a step backward?
How fast the lens spins is probably more related to or dependant on the particular lens.
If you need speed then you had better have an appropriately fast AFS lens attached as its not unreasonable to expect most screwdriver lenses to be a tad slower than the AFS motor drives incorporated inside the lens itself.
John
Sorry about the small print. I`m at a loss.

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p.1 #13 · Multi-Cam D200

Qranc ... I agree!

Robson ... D3H .... fantasy or what?

Skis

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Nov 08, 2005 at 07:57 PM

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p.1 #14 · Multi-Cam D200

John, no problem with the print.

I used to have a 70-300 ED and on my D70 or F80 it was slower than what I liked. If the D200 can't focus that same lens as fast as an F100 I won't buy. The D200 isn't going to make me a better photographer but for a couple of thousand bucks it better meet my expectations. So far no one has proved that it is as good as or better and that's why I'm waiting. If the camera meets my criteria I'll buy, if not I'm a couple of grand better off and I'll keep saving my loonies.

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Nov 08, 2005 at 08:49 PM

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p.1 #15 · Multi-Cam D200

I`m with you Bert, but I can`t see Nikon shooting themselves in the foot on this issue. The reviewers would have a field day knocking the new Nikon focus system that isn`t up to par.
It would be a big mistake that would drastically hurt potential sales volume of this camera and damaging to the roll that Nikon is presently enjoying.
Evidently Nikon pulled out a lot of stops with this camera to garner and reclaim this class of shooters and I can`t believe they skimped on a focus system (they certainly had room to increase the price for a more advanced one) especially since it`s a foregone conclusion that Canon will be offering something close to it soon .
Now with regards to a 70-300D , isn`t it really an entry level lens with a screwdriver focus mechanism and that Nikon doesn`t make any speed claims for this type of lens ? Although some are reasonably quick to focus I always assumed that the AFS lenses are the fastest but I could be wrong cause
I read there are a couple of AFS lenses that are on the slow side too.
Anyway lets hope for the best. I expect this issue to be one of the most important discussed in the coming weeks.
John

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