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SSISteve Offline Image Upload: On p.1 #1 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? Hi - I just return from a wonderful trip to Yosemite with my D70. I was next to someone who had a Canon 10D or 20D and we were both shooting the same images with no filters. He was using the L lenses and I had on some of the first rate Nikon lenses. I noticed that in his display his images were definitely more vivid and saturated than what was coming out of my D70. They just seemed to "pop' a littler more than what I had. For those who have used both cameras, I would appreciate your 2 cents on what your experience has been in regards to this. Thanks. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 06, 2005 at 11:01 PM

azpatrick2000 Offline Image Upload: On p.1 #2 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? I am probably more of a Canon bigot, but I always thought the pix right out of the D70 were alot more saturated and contrasty than the 10D or the 20D and about on par with the Digital Rebel. The lens can also make a big difference, as can other things, but to me it was the other way around when viewing right out of the camera. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 06, 2005 at 11:08 PM

genghis45 Offline [ X ] p.1 #3 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? SSISteve wrote: Hi - I just return from a wonderful trip to Yosemite with my D70. I was next to someone who had a Canon 10D or 20D and we were both shooting the same images with no filters. He was using the L lenses and I had on some of the first rate Nikon lenses. I noticed that in his display his images were definitely more vivid and saturated than what was coming out of my D70. They just seemed to "pop' a littler more than what I had. For those who have used both cameras, I would appreciate your 2 cents on what your experience has been in regards to this. Thanks. ******************************************************************* Either way, it's essentially meaningless. It's the end resulting image that counts, after post-processing. Scott Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 06, 2005 at 11:14 PM

mhayes5254 Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #4 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? If it was the display on the back of the camera you were looking at, it can be very misleading. You realy need to see them on a real monitor to get an idea of what it realy looks like Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 06, 2005 at 11:23 PM

rhyder Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #5 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? You can't go with what you see on the cameras LCD screen.................. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 06, 2005 at 11:24 PM

bob77 Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #6 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? on the canon you can change saturation and sharpening and stuff. i dont know for sure but id bet that your nikon is the same. is yours turned down? maybe his was up full? its surprising as its hard to see the screen on the back of a 10 or 20d never mind it being over saturated!!! Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 06, 2005 at 11:40 PM

jmcfadden Offline Image Upload: On p.1 #7 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? In a word No, not even close , but it really matters in the end anyay. Ths stuff from the 20D esp is very low contrast and unsaturated , basically like the D100 files looked , but that never stopped me from dealing with them in post processing J Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 01:26 AM

Jack OBrien Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #8 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? Whether it does or not is meaningless. You set up your camera to produce the output you want, assuming jpegs. Shooting raw? Matters even less, because then it's all up to you in post. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 01:57 AM

Daschund Woof Offline Image Upload: On p.1 #9 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? As it was said already, looking at the LCD little screen is very misleading. I always heard that the Canon are less saturated than the Nikons, but never compared side by side. Unless you are looking at images shot at the exact same settings (saturation, contrast, etc) on a monitor, there's no way to compare. Daschund Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 01:59 AM

bigreen505 Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #10 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? From my experience with a 10D and D2x, no, it is the other way around. However, the display on the 10D is very consistent (though not necessarily accurate) and is very easy to read, like a Polaroid. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 04:18 AM

William Holroyd Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #11 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? I have a friend that has a Canon 10D that we compared images with cameras set with same settings, similar lenses, and the Canon by far has more saturation and brightness. I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this. I thought it was something wrong with my D70s. I'll see if I can get the pics we took for example. Also, the canon has a way of exposing what the camera is focused on rather then how the D70s exposes the light for the image as a whole. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 01:13 PM

jmcfadden Offline Image Upload: On p.1 #12 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? William Holroyd wrote: I have a friend that has a Canon 10D that we compared images with cameras set with same settings, similar lenses, and the Canon by far has more saturation and brightness. I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this. I thought it was something wrong with my D70s. I'll see if I can get the pics we took for example. Also, the canon has a way of exposing what the camera is focused on rather then how the D70s exposes the light for the image as a whole. Please Read Your Manual The D70 has Spot Metering, Center Weighted, and Matrix. The 10D has Partial and Evaluative. The metering in Your camera is very much more advanced that the one in the 10D. But You have to know when , where , and why to use it properly J Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 02:02 PM

Bernie Offline Image Upload: On p.1 #13 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? To protect the highlights, the D70 (and D70s) will underexpose slightly by .3 to .7 EV. I've noticed on this forum that a lot of shots from canonites have blown highlights.... Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 03:02 PM

21farms Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #14 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? not better or worse but definitely different. i have friends that shoot D70s and i'm pretty surprised at how different their pictures look from my 20D pictures, even when we're shooting side-by-side at the same subject at the same time. even after looking at lots of images, i still can't really say if one is more saturated than the other...even at default settings, there are too many mitigating factors (different lenses, white balance, in-camera processing, etc.) to really tell for sure. after i get my D200, i'll probably have a much better feel for the differences. john, the 10D also has center-weighted metering. bernie, many 20D users--myself included--have to dial in +1/3 to +2/3 stop exposure compensation to get proper exposure. i'd guess that your theory about blown highlights has more to do with technique than about whether canon or nikon are really trying to dummy-proof the cameras against limited dynamic range. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 05:36 PM

William Holroyd Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #15 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? jmcfadden wrote: William Holroyd wrote: I have a friend that has a Canon 10D that we compared images with cameras set with same settings, similar lenses, and the Canon by far has more saturation and brightness. I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this. I thought it was something wrong with my D70s. I'll see if I can get the pics we took for example. Also, the canon has a way of exposing what the camera is focused on rather then how the D70s exposes the light for the image as a whole. Please Read Your Manual The D70 has Spot Metering, Center Weighted, and Matrix. The 10D has Partial and Evaluative. The metering in Your camera is very much more advanced that the one in the 10D. But You have to know when , where , and why to use it properly J I went home and played with the camera at lunch, that makes a world of difference. Thank you! Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 09:03 PM

maljo Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #16 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? Having used both systems extensively, one is not more saturated than the other. It all depends on the in camera settings and post processing. Also, remember the grass is always greener on the other guys LCD. maljo Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 07, 2005 at 11:15 PM

hyperion Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #17 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? shoot raw and dont worry about it Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 08, 2005 at 03:22 AM

ajacobs2 Offline Image Upload: On p.1 #18 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? Rule one: It's not the camera, it's the controller of the photographic process. Unfortunately it's illegal to trade the controllers as often as people trade cameras and systems. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 08, 2005 at 01:13 PM

CVClick Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #19 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? One thing that may, or may not have any real bearing on this discussion, I learned years ago in the film days when I was shooting w/ Canon gear. I was a staff newpaper photographer and we'd just switched to an offset press and had begun shooting lots of color, all Extachrome 100, at first. I was one of 4-5 guys shooting Canons at the time and the plate making pre-press folks, (long before computers and Photoshop) began to remark about how the Canon shooters were always producing the more consistant colors that required far less work going to the CMYK separations than the work produced by the folks shooting Nikons. We did some checking with the camera tech rep folks and discovered a very real difference in the approach to lens design between Canon and Nikon. Nikon would design their lenses separately. Each lens would be built to the highest standard of color repro, etc., that the individual lens could reach within the costs and whatnot Nikon set for it. So each Nikon lens would reproduce color, contrast, etc. slightly different from each other Nikon lens. Canon designed their lenses to the same standards for color repro, contrast, etc., across the board. The lenses were very consistent and the prepress guys weren't having to alter their settings as they went from photog to photog, or lens to lens. A few years later when we started printing color neg for the paper instead of using Ektachome, the Canon shooters caught this right away as they printed negs shot with different lenses on the same roll and stuff. We could get our stuff out quicker than the Nikon guys, because they had to switch settings for each lens change and we didn't. Today, I don't know if these standards still apply, or not. Nor do I know if, in the digital world, it makes any real difference. I've been shooting Nikons now for a long time, and I'm no longer a newspaper shooter. I noticed the difference when I began to print enlargements from my Nikon negs, but I got around it. I don't notice it now doing all digital. I haven't used any Canons for digital, so I can't comment on their lenses today. It was a real thing then though. Mike Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 08, 2005 at 08:43 PM

blackfeather Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #20 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? I just shot a wedding with a friend, and he used a 20D. I was shooting an Oly E-1 (superb)...and I did notice his shots on his review screen on the back of the camera were very saturated...similar to mine...but that is not where the true reading is found. After we combined all images together everything was very similar. The saturation out of the E-1 is well known....never go by the lcd screen 100%. Edited on Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM Nov 09, 2005 at 12:54 PM

blackfeather Offline Image Upload: Off p.1 #21 · Does Canon Produce More Saturated Images Than Nikon?? ...sorry...I also shoot a D100, and a D70s....excellent saturation...I prefer to back it down a notch actually. Nov 09, 2005 at 12:55 PM

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