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p.1 #1 · The Future is Now

This camera might very well be the beginning of the end for many segments of the market now dominated by the SLR design. Looks like a great camera and it has the same basic imager that is inside the D2x with a Sony DSP.

Shoud be one to watch. I bet Dave Black gets one just for golf

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0509/05090801sonydscr1.asp

J

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p.1 #2 · The Future is Now

Hmmm... anyone wanna bet the D200 will have the same sensor?

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p.1 #3 · The Future is Now

Its a cool camera, but I cant believe that any electronic viewfinder is worthwhile yet... They write it like its a selling feature...

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p.1 #4 · The Future is Now

Cliff

I am still hoping for the D200 to be LBCAST but we shall see pretty soon I hope

J

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p.1 #5 · The Future is Now

molson wrote:
Hmmm... anyone wanna bet the D200 will have the same sensor?

Different crop factors (1.65 vs. 1.5) so I think it's unlikely, unless they have also developed a very slightly bigger sensor off the same design.

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p.1 #6 · The Future is Now

It looks good on paper, but is it fast?
The greatest benefit of a DSLR to me is its speed.
Turns on fast, focuses fast, shoots fast, writes fast, flash recycles fast.
I've been frustated by the Point and Shoot Digital cameras in the past.

maljo

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Sep 08, 2005 at 04:18 PM

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p.1 #7 · The Future is Now

jhmaeng wrote:
molson wrote:
Hmmm... anyone wanna bet the D200 will have the same sensor?

Different crop factors (1.65 vs. 1.5) so I think it's unlikely, unless they have also developed a very slightly bigger sensor off the same design.

FYI

Sony is ready Now to cut FF 35mm sensors from the wafer that makes the D2x this new point and shoot and other cameras..........

So yes the new D200 could very easily use this sensor.

Also Sony was not ready when nikon was for D2h production (depending on who you choose to believe) and so LBCAST was used. Sony probably believes differently

J

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p.1 #8 · The Future is Now

rffffffff wrote:
Its a cool camera, but I cant believe that any electronic viewfinder is worthwhile yet... They write it like its a selling feature...

who needs a EVF with a huge LCD display , I would never turn it on .........

J

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p.1 #9 · The Future is Now

Looks very interesting. I also don't know if an electronic viewfinder could be there yet. Eventually I think a larger finder could be fine for landscapes (like a view camera) but for wildlife, action, portraits, etc. I don't see it being practical.

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p.1 #10 · The Future is Now

will we see coolpix with this sensor within few moths?

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p.1 #11 · The Future is Now

morphez wrote:
will we see coolpix with this sensor within few moths?

I doubt that as Nikon is in charge of that brand , but surely from Sony we will see more from this wafer. One of these wafers can make hundreds of P&S sensors

J

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p.1 #12 · The Future is Now

Didn't Olympus go down this road years ago? By the way, whatever happened to Olympus?

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p.1 #13 · The Future is Now

jmcfadden wrote:
rffffffff wrote:
Its a cool camera, but I cant believe that any electronic viewfinder is worthwhile yet... They write it like its a selling feature...

who needs a EVF with a huge LCD display , I would never turn it on .........

J

I cant use the LCD to shoot at all either.. perhaps I am obsolete in this regard, but I need to get my face pressed up against the camera in order to feel like I am taking pictures...

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p.1 #14 · The Future is Now

jmcfadden wrote:
This camera might very well be the beginning of the end for many segments of the market now dominated by the SLR design. Looks like a great camera and it has the same basic imager that is inside the D2x with a Sony DSP.

Shoud be one to watch. I bet Dave Black gets one just for golf

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0509/05090801sonydscr1.asp

J

I read the entire "preview" and came to the conclusion: It's a b@astard design and won't sell well. Just look at the comparison pics to the Canon XT. The XT is smaller and it has more features/power/speed than this Sony dougie.

An APS sensor'd PS camera is a GREAT idea................ this one is just not well thought out. Make it small and powerful/fast and it will sell-sell-sell. This Sony is huge-huge-huge. What were they thinking

And I'm a fan of Sony HW!!!

JohnG

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p.1 #15 · The Future is Now

rffffffff wrote:
jmcfadden wrote:
rffffffff wrote:
Its a cool camera, but I cant believe that any electronic viewfinder is worthwhile yet... They write it like its a selling feature...

who needs a EVF with a huge LCD display , I would never turn it on .........

J

I cant use the LCD to shoot at all either.. perhaps I am obsolete in this regard, but I need to get my face pressed up against the camera in order to feel like I am taking pictures...

I need to clarify my sentence , I would never turn the EVF on. The LCD is a dream. I came from the point and shoot domain and I really Miss the LCD

many folks are uncomfortable in front of a SLR but can look very natural in front of a TLR . there are compelling reasons for a camera like this sony

J

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Sep 08, 2005 at 06:33 PM

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p.1 #16 · The Future is Now

As far as the Electronic Viewfinder goes, if they haven't made an improvement over the Minolta Dimage, forget it. Anybody that has ever tried panning at any rate of speed with a Dimage got image stutter, etc. If they can make it work, though, it could be interesting.
As far as using the LCD goes, I'm used to the Viewfinder myself. I know a lot of people want live LCD views on DSLR's, and to each their own. Personally though, it doesn't interest me.

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p.1 #17 · The Future is Now

stay tuned this is a huge development !

J

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p.1 #18 · The Future is Now

I can use the LCD to shoot it actually helps me to compose but they put it in the wrong place. Judging by the photos I don't see how this lcd can flip so I can look straight down at the camera it just doesn't seem to be in the most ideal location.

James

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p.1 #19 · The Future is Now

Just my 2 cent.

A fun part of this camera will be the focal length of the lens, which is really intesesting.. A real 24-120!!!

So far, I don't think anyone out there have an equivalent of such lens on DSLR except the fullframe Canon with the latest 24-105. (Just a kind reminder: the Canon 17-85 on XT will become 27.2-136 and The nikon 18-70 on D70 will become 27-120. I am not saying that the extra 3mm or 3.2mm difference will give you a main advantage but it's quite handy to have 24mm without switching lenses).Besides, this lens is a f2.8 at the wide size and f4.8 on the tele-side.

In addition, the price (at $999US retail price) is good for a 10.8mp (w APS size chip) with a decent Carl Zeiss T* lens.

Of course, you will missed the ultra-wide side and the tele-side as compared to the DSLR. But for what you paid, I guessed it is really amazing.

I really like to get a high quality little DC to carry along with the DSLR. I guessed this is an even more interesting camera than the Leica digilux 2. The digilux 2 have a very fine lens but the chip suffered with the noise at high ISO (beyond ISO400) due to the size of the chip. The price is too high as well..

There are few drawbacks with this DC. First, the size is a bit bigger than I would like. It's almost like carrying a SLR. Secondly, I don't like the idea of "focus by wired" thing too. Thirdly, the EVF. However, I can live with them IF the optical quality is impressive!..... IF they can add back the Video capture ability on the camera, this will be an excellent "video/camera". (ie You can always capture some high quality (640x480) movie clip) But I don't think they will do it because this will create competition with their latest HD-DV camcorder

Let's see what will be the "shuttle lag" and what will be the "noise level" at
1600 and 3200.

Again, just my 2 cent.

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p.1 #20 · The Future is Now

actually, when I think about it again.. The CMOS chip is potentially the D200 or a slightly lower resolution version of the D2X. At this price, with a decent lens, it is a real good deal.

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Sep 09, 2005 at 12:07 AM

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p.1 #21 · The Future is Now

Me too.

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Sep 09, 2005 at 01:20 AM

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p.1 #22 · The Future is Now

Haha, right. I was actually about to make a post about what a POS this is.

$1000 for a fixed lens, ergonomically laughable Sony fake-DSLR? Who wants an LCD that pops up like that?

Plus it's slow in all aspects.

I'll take that $1000 and spend it on something that #1 serves a purpose and #2 won't drop its value by 30% the moment you unpackage it.

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Sep 09, 2005 at 02:55 AM

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p.1 #23 · The Future is Now

Here are my two cents and some thoughts based on the release of DSC-R1.

1. With the release of this camera, it leads me to believe that the CMOS in D2X can't be that expensive for Sony to produce. Sure the CMOS in R1 is a bit smaller and therefore cost less. But I guess it will be very possible for the D200 to use the CMOS found in the D2X. That is if Sony is selling them at a cheap enough price to Nikon.

2. Suppose that Nikon can get that CMOS for a reasonable price. What is stoping Nikon from making the D200? Worry that it might hurt the sell of D2X?

3. Some body mentioned Olympus, well they killed their high-end DC line (E10, and E20), and went for the 4/3 system. We all know that people complained about the noise and poor high ISO performance of the Sony F828 and that's mainly due to the fact that it's got a relatively small sensor.

Sony is addressing that issue by using a bigger CMOS sensor, however 4/3 is stuck far as sensor size is concerned. Makes me worry about the future of the 4/3 system.

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Sep 09, 2005 at 03:00 AM

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p.1 #24 · The Future is Now

sippinsoma wrote:
Haha, right. I was actually about to make a post about what a POS this is.

$1000 for a fixed lens, ergonomically laughable Sony fake-DSLR? Who wants an LCD that pops up like that?

Plus it's slow in all aspects.

I'll take that $1000 and spend it on something that #1 serves a purpose and #2 won't drop its value by 30% the moment you unpackage it.

First, how did you know it's slow in all aspect? I guessed we need to judge it after it's in the market.

Second, I think $1000US (retail-probably $899 street) is reasonable given the chip is probably state of the art. Besides the Nikon D2X or Canon 1Dsmk2 or Canon 5D, there are none that have more than 8MP. Even so, how much are they?

This is double the resolution of the D1X. Again, if the lens is good enough, I think it's a good carry arround camera. It should be able to do decent landscape shots. Let the DSLR do the ultra-wide, telephoto and the sport shots.

In addition to that, if there is the mirror or no shuttle noise. It will be a good "silent" street photography camera.

anyhow, again, these are just my 2 cents..

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Sep 09, 2005 at 04:33 AM

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p.1 #25 · The Future is Now

It has no movie mode, I wonder why? Gives it a more SLR feel to it? I think a movie mode will be very nice to have. While nobody have done it properly on a DC yet, I hope someday, somebody will.

It is not all that simple though, there are few issues to work on.

1. Sound, it would be nice to have a mic input.

2. Video quality, I think with more processing power, they can improve this. The sensor got too much information for the processor to work with. It would be nice to take pictures at 30fps then downsample the result. Take A LOT of computation power to do that at 30fps though.

3. Given more processing power, I guess we can also have very decent digital room and digital image stablization.

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Sep 09, 2005 at 05:32 AM


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