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Too kind, thanks, all credit to Sony please. Where have we seen a 100-400 zoom that can take a 2.0TC before?
Your question-
My opinion ok, remember just amateur viewpoint, for the FE100400GM + 2.0 TC IF IF IF you have light (and in those two examples insolation was rampant) it is not the lens and teleconverter but the sensors ability to resolve. Even more over the sensor resolution is simply my ability (or more often than not inability) to more fully fill the frame.

I noticed the same when shooting 1DXii + 500 with and without TCs, that my albums are more full of keepers from the 7Dii + 400DO + 1.4TC.
I attribute it to the crop sensor and the ability to crop so much more (pixel density).
If/when bored give this album (under construction) a 1 min scan; all eagles (excepting 1 with an RX10iv), swans, ducks via the 100-400GM at 800mm.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/medicineman4040/albums/72157687987476912
All images worked at to me huge distances. Truthfully if I hadn't of had the 2.0TC I wouldn't have come home with anything--the bierds were just that far away, but you'll easily discern the images from major crops where I just didn't have the proximity needed.

Well hope any of that helps a bit and hope Joshua (won't want to get on his bad side!) doesn't mind the highjacking.




Dec 20, 2017 at 07:04 AM
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Thanks for this information, Joshua. I'm definitely thinking of making the switch from Canon to an a9, probably the next version, which I hope is not too far off. You have definitely shown that the Sony system can more than compete with the flagship Canon and Nikon offerings. Your description of your settings for the Sony will be very helpful when I do pull the trigger.


Dec 22, 2017 at 12:22 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
Too kind, thanks, all credit to Sony please. Where have we seen a 100-400 zoom that can take a 2.0TC before?
Your question-
My opinion ok, remember just amateur viewpoint, for the FE100400GM + 2.0 TC IF IF IF you have light (and in those two examples insolation was rampant) it is not the lens and teleconverter but the sensors ability to resolve. Even more over the sensor resolution is simply my ability (or more often than not inability) to more fully fill the frame.

I noticed the same when shooting 1DXii + 500 with and without TCs, that my albums are more
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Using a 2xTC on the 100-400GM and having AF on the Sony system is one thing that really intrigues me. I've occasionally shot the 2xTC on the Canon 100-400II and it does okay but no AF makes it next to useless.





  Canon EOS 5D Mark IV    EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM +2x III lens    800mm    f/13.0    1/640s    1600 ISO    0.0 EV  




Dec 22, 2017 at 12:39 AM
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^man that's gorgeous!


Dec 22, 2017 at 04:14 PM
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Geoff, here's another using the a9+Fe100400GM+2.0TC, Zone AF-C

Last from Conowingo this year by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Dec 23, 2017 at 05:58 AM
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dallvr wrote:
Thanks for this information, Joshua. I'm definitely thinking of making the switch from Canon to an a9, probably the next version, which I hope is not too far off. You have definitely shown that the Sony system can more than compete with the flagship Canon and Nikon offerings. Your description of your settings for the Sony will be very helpful when I do pull the trigger.


Shirley, thank you for stopping by and I am glad that you find this thread helpful.



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Geoff, here's another using the a9+Fe100400GM+2.0TC, Zone AF-C

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4596/25365618238_cde2c462f3_o.jpgLast from Conowingo this year by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


Robert, your images using that combo of GM 100-400mm plus Sony FE 2X TC are impressive. While I normally get my 800mm reach using my Canon 400mm prime prime lens, I need to use try my 2X using that GM lens. However, I used the FE 1.4X TC on a regular basis and I have been pleased with the result.

Here are two images taken with that; one of a burrowing owl in flight for AF prowess and the other one is of a stationary egret for details.




© AGeoJO 2017

Ready to land with a June bug at the claw...

  ILCE-9    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter lens    560mm    f/8.0    1/2000s    800 ISO    0.0 EV  





© AGeoJO 2017

No movement but ready to strike...

  ILCE-7RM3    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter lens    556mm    f/8.0    1/250s    320 ISO    0.0 EV  




Dec 23, 2017 at 09:55 PM
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Outstanding Joshua! I've admire your owls shots before but the Egret above is staggering in detail.
I too have used the 2.0 on the 400DOii and the a9. For the Conowingo trip I was testing the 2.0TC on the FE100-400GM and never took the DOii out of its case (maybe I should have!), I really wanted to see what the zoom and TC could do plus my body thanked me for that
In the end it's no 500ISii with TC but that weight and bulk just aren't in my future anymore. Joshua you're aging too aren't you? and maybe can understand where I'm coming from.

Speaking of weight I know you'll get the FE400/2.8. I can only hope Sony eventually issues a 400/4 or 400/4.5 for us aging even quicker than you!
The 200-600mm rumors seem more and more real. It if is anything like the FE12-24 or even the 24-105 I'll be thrilled.



Dec 24, 2017 at 11:43 AM
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Thanks Joshua for your effort in sharing this with other forum members.

MM ( Robert ) I too thought about the sensor's contribution.



Dec 27, 2017 at 01:53 AM
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Outstanding Joshua! I've admire your owls shots before but the Egret above is staggering in detail.
I too have used the 2.0 on the 400DOii and the a9. For the Conowingo trip I was testing the 2.0TC on the FE100-400GM and never took the DOii out of its case (maybe I should have!), I really wanted to see what the zoom and TC could do plus my body thanked me for that
In the end it's no 500ISii with TC but that weight and bulk just aren't in my future anymore. Joshua you're aging too aren't you? and maybe can understand
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Hi Robert, I love your images! The Sony GM 100-400mm is truly a superb performer. And on the A9, the AF matches that of the optical quality. The main optical difference between that and the Canon prime is in the isolation power of the prime lens due to its fast aperture. And yes to the aging process but as long as I still can handle that big lens, I will keep on using that. Please note that I do use a support when I use that. At the minimum, I use a monopod, which I used to take the egret image above. I prefer using a tripod, which allows follow focus with ease. I sold my gimbal head back then and a few times, I considered buying another one but I haven't done so.

Yes, let's find out what Sony will bring to the table with respect to the long lens but I hope it is a prime lens and not a zoom. Again, more for the isolation capability of that lens as they will have to compromise if they come out with a zoom lens. Cheers!




IndyFab wrote:
Thanks Joshua for your effort in sharing this with other forum members.

MM ( Robert ) I too thought about the sensor's contribution.


Thank you for stopping by and for your kind words.







© AGeoJO 2017

A fly-by sandhill create...

  ILCE-9    EF400mm f/2.8L IS II USM lens    400mm    f/2.8    1/250s    160 ISO    0.0 EV  




Dec 27, 2017 at 04:25 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
2. How good is the AF performance of new A7r III compared to the A9? I donít know the answer to this. I broke down and bought the A7r III and I havenít tried the setup on that body. Frankly, I am not sure whether I would use that camera for wildlife, at least right now.


Joshua -

I see that you're now using both the A9 and the A7RM3. I'm still split between these cameras. I can get an A9 new through Greentoe for around $3,600. My A7RM3 from Adorama arrived today. I can't keep both. Have you gained any insight into how much better is the AF on the A9 versus the A7RM3? Which would you consider a better body for someone who shoots landscapes, wildlife, birds/BIF, horses, dogs, informal family, nightscapes/astro, and macro? I know that each body has its own skill set, but if you could only keep one, which one would it be?

Thanks for the amazing images that you post here at FM. You have a lot of fans, me included.

Scott



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Joshua -

I see that you're using both the A9 and the A7RM3. I'm still split between these cameras. I can get an A9 new through Greentoe for around $3,600. My A7RM3 from Adorama arrived today. I can't keep both. How much better is the AF on the A9 versus the A7RM3? Which would you consider a better body for someone who shoots landscapes, wildlife, birds/BIF, horses, dogs, informal family, nightscapes/astro, and macro? I know that each body has its own skill set, but if you could only keep one, which one would it be?

Thanks for the amazing images that you
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Hi Scott, thank you for your compliment. At this point, I am not quite yet in the position to tell you one way or the other since I am still evaluating the A7rI III. The first impression so far it has to do with the lens or lenses you are using. If you use native lenses, the difference or advantage of the A9 boils down only to it being able to AF at f/11 while the limit of the A7r III is f/8 and I am referring more to the tracking ability of both here, BTW. If you use an adapted lens, like Canon EF then the A9 seems to get the upper hand but I am still evaluating the A7r IIIís performance in that regard. So, my findings are still preliminary, so to speak. I will post an update of my findings soon.

Joshua



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Since we have time let's start postulating on the rumored 200-600mm.
If it were announced for pre-order tomorrow how many would take the bait?

A big wonder will be of course can it take a TC. I never would have thought a zoom could
until the 100-400GM and who would deny Sony has continually knocked lenses out of the park
lately.

We all know how well Nikon has done salewise with the 200-500, Tamron and Sigma with their
150-600s. I'd have to think the Sony FE 200-600mm would be a wildlife guys dream....other than
for Joshua who loves the primes Hope you don't mind me teasing a bit Joshua.




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Thanks Joshua.
I am using my A9 pretty much daily, looking forward to the FE 400/2.8 in 2018, while waiting for an A9r.
So far the A7r.3 hasn't gotten me enough excited to order one.
I would be first in line for an A9r if it combined the best features of A9 and A7r.3.

K-H.



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MedicineMan404 wrote:
Since we have time let's start postulating on the rumored 200-600mm.
If it were announced for pre-order tomorrow how many would take the bait?

A big wonder will be of course can it take a TC. I never would have thought a zoom could
until the 100-400GM and who would deny Sony has continually knocked lenses out of the park
lately.

We all know how well Nikon has done salewise with the 200-500, Tamron and Sigma with their
150-600s. I'd have to think the Sony FE 200-600mm would be a wildlife guys dream....other than
for Joshua who loves the primes Hope you don't mind me
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Care to speculate on a price for the 200- 600? Quite a bit more than the Sigma/ Tamrons, and more than the Sony 100-400. $6,000.?


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PhilthePhrame wrote:
Care to speculate on a price for the 200- 600? Quite a bit more than the Sigma/ Tamrons, and more than the Sony 200-400. $6,000.?


200-400? If you want the best, it will cost you.



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I don't think the 200-600 is to be GM. And if Sony seriously wants to tangle with the D500 + 200-500mm they can't be crazy over the top more expensive.
Take the pricing of the 100-400GM. It is within reason of the pricing of the EOS 100-400ii.
So on a bet I'd say the 200-600G will be within $300-400 of the Nikkor 200-500mm.

I just checked the price of the Nikon 200-500. $1400 ish, so the Sony will probably be $1999. Anyone want to bet a hot-dog?



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MedicineMan404 wrote:
I don't think the 200-600 is to be GM. And if Sony seriously wants to tangle with the D500 + 200-500mm they can't be crazy over the top more expensive.
Take the pricing of the 100-400GM. It is within reason of the pricing of the EOS 100-400ii.
So on a bet I'd say the 200-600G will be within $300-400 of the Nikkor 200-500mm.

I just checked the price of the Nikon 200-500. $1400 ish, so the Sony will probably be $1999. Anyone want to bet a hot-dog?


I bet the 200/600 is a 4.5 and will be $7,000



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mogul wrote:
I bet the 200/600 is a 4.5 and will be $7,000


how big would a 200-600 f4.5 be ?



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MedicineMan404 wrote:
Since we have time let's start postulating on the rumored 200-600mm.
If it were announced for pre-order tomorrow how many would take the bait?

A big wonder will be of course can it take a TC. I never would have thought a zoom could
until the 100-400GM and who would deny Sony has continually knocked lenses out of the park
lately.

We all know how well Nikon has done salewise with the 200-500, Tamron and Sigma with their
150-600s. I'd have to think the Sony FE 200-600mm would be a wildlife guys dream....other than
for Joshua who loves the primes Hope you don't mind me
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From what I can tell from a recent interview with Sony ( roughly translated through Google ) it doesn't look like Sony has a 600mm anything ( zoom or prime) in line for production. Instead they seem to recommended the teleconverters with the GM 100-400. Poor translation or Sony sticking with their policy to not talk about future products?

(Scroll down to the very end of the intverview post.)

Interview Question: - Those who are doing wild bird photography of amateurs are slightly longer, 600 mm F4 lens seems to be a standard lens.

Nagata: We are aware of such needs, but we are thinking about dealing with teleconverter around here. The E-mounted teleconverter is very excellent, for example, when using twice the teleconverter on the 400 mm side of 100-400 mm, the composite F value will be F11, but the image phase difference AF can also work with α9 and others.
(Mr. Yasuyuki Nagata of senior general manager of second business unit (Lens & Peripheral))

https://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/1094352.html



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' it doesn't look like Sony has a 600mm anything' or that could be doublespeak and a 500mm is already beyond the drawing board. Sony is master of the tight lip approach-how many sheer surprises have they had in the last two years?
I think e-mount is snowballing, so much in fact it wouldn't surprise me to see the a77iii announced at CES along with the a7000. Whatever it takes (like the vast depreciation of the bodies we currently own) Sony will maintain the momentum.



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