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Glort, do you go out and give a business lecture to the poor kid mowing the neighbor's lawn for $5 cash? What about the one across the street selling 25 cents lemonade?
You keep talking about charging a fair market rate. Ok, so what is the fair market rate for wedding photography according to you and what gives you the authority to dictate this rate? Because Glort says so?
Many businesses thrive by undercutting each other. Walmart, Costco, Amazon, countless examples out there. Dollar stores in turn further cut into these giants, the more they cut, the more profitable they are (think about that for a second). You would be pretty naive to believe that photographers shouldn't undercut others, why? Because Glort says so?
There will always be a market for sub $500 brides, the Craigslist crowd exists to serve this market. By telling everyone to charge your fair market rate (whatever that is), you are basically saying that these brides don't deserve a photographer. We know you are affluent but please get off your high horse, the world doesn't revolve around you.
You can scream your heart out but nothing we say here will stop the influx of the $500 Craigslist photographer. Focusing on the things you can't control is a waste of time. Furthermore, you are asking Marcus, someone who doesn't even have a portfolio, to charge a fair rate. How on Earth is he supposed to do that? Talk about advice that goes nowhere.
I don't even care what's happening in the $500 market but if you wish to hear the truth, the more Craigslist photographers in my area the stronger I become. All brides know a friend of a friend who had a terrible experience nowadays, it gives me plenty of opportunity to educate them on why I charge more. The risk becomes an emotional pain point for me to address. They are so afraid that they will naturally gravitate towards quality, I don't even have to "sell" anymore.
glort wrote:
What a load of ignorant shit.
If you still don't get what I have been saying, then don't twist your ignorance into completely flawed accusations about my position on things you are too biased or self centered in your own beliefs to understand.
Just for the close minded like you, I'll say it one more time.
I have no problem with anyone else or how many people there are in the game as long as they compete on a fair pricing level and not use price to undercut others to get work which undermines the whole industry and screw's it for everyone. Full timer, part time and anyone else there may be.
IF you can't see that these Craiglister types that shoot a wedding for $300 ( or whatever other non viable amount for the work involved) ) aren't undercharging and causing damage to the industry, then don't say I have a hatred for new shooters because you are too damn ignorant to understand the problem I am talking about. I have explained it over and over. If you still don't get it you are either flat out stupid or just trying push your own agendas with FUD and BS,
There is a cheap shooter and there is one that is subsidizing what they do because it's costing them more than they are charging. YES, those people I hate but that is moronic to assume they are all new shooters and you imply insult to them to assume they will all undercharge. There are people right here on this forum that have been doing it for years and still charge $2 for heavily edited 6x4 prints and if you can't see the problem with that Then that's on you not me. To say my hatred is for new shooters rather than people that stuff the industry with under charging only shows your true ignorance to my position.
Go back through the threads here and have a look at the posts I have written and help I have tried to give new shooters. You can go back years and see it so the proof of your ignorance and flaw in your statements is well and truly documents.
And one more time....
I'm not against new shooters at all, I'm against people using price as a way of taking work from ALL shooters who do decent work and NEED to charge a fair price for that to sustain their BUSINESS and not undermine the industry by creating flawed pricing expectations in the industry in whatever market that is.
Don't go making accusations about me unless you get your own biased and flawed facts straight first.
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