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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Next addition to Canon FF kit?


Looking to expand (or possibly upgrade?) my kit by one lens. My budget for any adding or upgrading I'm going to do is around $1000 net, but obviously cheaper is better. I also am not totally opposed to just sitting tight for a while if my best option is more expensive than that budget. I do a variety of types of shooting (most frequent types listed below), and I understand that the different subjects may very well be best served by totally different lenses. I'm open to any and all suggestions; it could be a new piece of glass that fills a specific need I don't currently meet, or it could be an awesome jack of all trades lens that fills a FL or lighting gap in my current kit. Mostly just brainstorming right now, the biggest thing I'm looking for are a specific lens that you would add next, as well as why, not general ideas like a "50 prime" or "fast standard length zoom."

My most common subject matter:
1. Landscapes - both natural and urban, I love to photograph the places I'm exploring on foot.
2a. Portraits - mostly of my family and my kids, although I've been asked to try some group portraits for family friends recently (this hasn't happened yet).
2b. My kids' sports - soccer and basketball currently, but this could obviously change as they grow from grade school to middle school and beyond.

My current kit:
EOS 6D Mark II
EF 16-35mm f/4L IS USM
EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM
EF 35mm f/1.4L Mark II
Speedlite 430EX

A few ideas I've been tossing around:
EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM - Fills an obvious FL gap, but I borrowed one and wasn't super impressed with the sharpness when compared with my 16-35 f/4L. Maybe it was a bad copy?
EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS Mark II - This would mean selling my 70-300L and upgrading to the 100-400. I don't shoot birds at all though, so I don't know how much I really need the extra length (and weight) for sports.
EF 50mm f/1.2L USM - I love the bokeh and potential for portraits, but worry that I wouldn't use it much given how much I love my 35L prime and how close it is in FL.
EF 85mm f/1.4L IS USM - Same as above, but it would mean waiting for a while for the price to drop a little and for my budget to increase.



Nov 15, 2017 at 01:49 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Next addition to Canon FF kit?


Sell the 70-300, get the 70-200 2.8 II plus 1.4x III, this gives you the 70-300 capability but also a good low light sports lens and portrait. Add the 2x III for a 140-400 f5.6 lens for daytime field sports.


Nov 15, 2017 at 01:59 AM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Sell the 70-300, get the 70-200 2.8 II plus 1.4x III, this gives you the 70-300 capability but also a good low light sports lens and portrait. Add the 2x III for a 140-400 f5.6 lens for daytime field sports.


Not a bad idea. Would you do this mostly for the IQ upgrade, the ability to blow out the background for portraits, or the low light capability?



Nov 15, 2017 at 02:05 AM
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Second the 70-200mm advice. The 70-300 is slow with mediocre IQ. The 70-200 v.II is one of the finest lenses Canon has ever made. I shoot sports professionally and couldn't work without it. Also use it with wildlife and landscape. My most used lens. You won't get better advice than TeamSpeed has given you.


Nov 15, 2017 at 02:10 AM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Sell the 70-300, get the 70-200 2.8 II plus 1.4x III, this gives you the 70-300 capability but also a good low light sports lens and portrait. Add the 2x III for a 140-400 f5.6 lens for daytime field sports.


I was getting ready to suggest something else but thatís a great idea. My 70-200 2.8 IS II is always attached to one of my bodies and it would be one of the very last lenses to go if I ever had to scale back my lens collection.



Nov 15, 2017 at 02:49 AM
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jeraldcook wrote:
I was getting ready to suggest something else but thatís a great idea. My 70-200 2.8 IS II is always attached to one of my bodies and it would be one of the very last lenses to go if I ever had to scale back my lens collection.


It's definitely looking like that's the consensus, and I'm leaning toward going this direction. Just curious, though, what was your first inclination?




Nov 15, 2017 at 02:50 AM
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adittam wrote:
Not a bad idea. Would you do this mostly for the IQ upgrade, the ability to blow out the background for portraits, or the low light capability?


Both... Great AF, great IQ, very good in low light, decent DOF control...




Nov 15, 2017 at 03:50 AM
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adittam wrote:
It's definitely looking like that's the consensus, and I'm leaning toward going this direction. Just curious, though, what was your first inclination?



To wait until everyone sells their 85mm 1.2L II to upgrade and try to buy one cheap.



Nov 15, 2017 at 05:01 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Next addition to Canon FF kit?


3x for 70-200 2.8m II
Forget the reach of the mediocre 70-300 and step into the bokeh power of a fast lens.



Nov 15, 2017 at 06:42 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Next addition to Canon FF kit?


kids sports + portrait lens + FF body --> 70-200 II when/if you can swing it financially. I've had it since it came out and it is a damn magical workhorse. so much goodness and capability in a reasonably sized package.

clearly just another vote for you. good luck & have fun!



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Next addition to Canon FF kit?


Short hopefully helpful story. Early on I got my hands on a 70-300mm DO. Good lens. Then I picked up a battered 70-200mm L f/2.8. No IS, no vII. It had been passed around a bit here on B&S. Looked like someone had tried to open bottle caps with it. Scarred, marred, just plain ugly - in fact it was known by those who'd had it as the "Ugly Duck."

Still it was an incredible break thru for me. I finally got the cash to upgrade and passed the lens on, but for me it was one of the few equipment upgrades that truly blew my vision open. I'll always have a 70-200. Yes, a real photog can take a pix with anything that clicks, but better tools allow one to keep pushing the edge as one learns more.

A few pix from that era.





Luck belongs to those who click.







Got to love that light.







Sold for $350: Home!




Nov 15, 2017 at 04:44 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Next addition to Canon FF kit?


my walk around lens with my FF cameras is the 24-105. Used to be the 28-300L, but I felt that as the cameras got better that I wasnt getting the crisp photos like I thought that I should...I miss the reach and perhaps I will one day give it another try....but for now the 24-105 is my go to walk around lens.


Nov 15, 2017 at 05:22 PM
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The 70-300L is not a mediocre lens. It is pretty well the same as the 70-200mm f4IS. Not as good as the 70-200mm f2.8 ver II. But it is a good lens. The 70-200 ver II is excellent but significantly larger and heavier than the 70-300L, particularly when you need a 1.4X to go with it to match the range. I have both and I use the 70-200mm mainly for portraits, sports and events and the 70-300L for everything else.

A 24-70 zoom is an obvious choice for your kit. I would always get the f2.8. You could sell off your 35 L to help fund it and buy a nice cheap 50mm f1.8 STM instead.



Nov 15, 2017 at 06:58 PM
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Why limit it to one? For $1,000 you could buy several super high quality legacy lenses. If you haven't tried them yet, you are in for a treat. Manual focus lenses can be fun and give you a new shooting experience. I would suggest hanging out in the Alt forum for a while. Canon cameras are great for adapting these old but fantastic lenses. Some suggestions: Zeiss Contax 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 35-70/3.4 Vario-Sonnar, 85/1.4, 135/2.8, Pentax SMC 50/1.4. This is just a small list. Have fun with whatever you choose!


Nov 15, 2017 at 07:53 PM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Both... Great AF, great IQ, very good in low light, decent DOF control...

https://photos.smugmug.com/Sports-Events/Mad-Ants-Current-Season/Nov-10-2017/i-dFsvvxq/0/a5c3a295/X3/aFX8A3833-X3.jpg


What an amazing photo...thanks for sharing



Nov 16, 2017 at 12:21 AM
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My two cents....I've purchased the 70 to 200 f2.8 II IS and it's amazing like everyone says. The portraits are unreal, the focus is unreal for sports...it's a marvel of engineering. It's also a very heavy pro lens I just could never imagine using for a recreational purpose so I returned it.

If you can handle the weight, I agree with everyone else...that lens is the way to go.

For the uses you mentioned though, I think the 85 1.8 or 135 f2 give you a lot of what you need.







Nov 16, 2017 at 01:12 AM
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My advise is ( I am just through the kids stage):

Consider picking up 24-70 2.8 v1 and 70-200 2.8 v1. You need f2.8 for indoors with kids.

Both can be had for a bit over $1000. Although v2 are better, they are not that much better and for kids sports, the IS and f2.8 is more important than edge sharpness.

I have the 24-70v1 and its great for inside work. Not a great landscape lens because of field curvature but great for kids. Selling it now because I am between kids and grandkids.

I had the 70-200 v1. It was great for kids baskball etc indoors. But now its too short for wildlife and I don't need f2.8 outside. It also is a great portrait lens. 70/2.8 has nice bokeh. I sold it because it was just sitting around.

You don't need edge image quality for kids photography and both these lens are okay there too in a pinch.



Nov 16, 2017 at 03:11 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
My advise is ( I am just through the kids stage):

Consider picking up 24-70 2.8 v1 and 70-200 2.8 v1. You need f2.8 for indoors with kids.

Both can be had for a bit over $1000. Although v2 are better, they are not that much better and for kids sports, the IS and f2.8 is more important than edge sharpness.

I have the 24-70v1 and its great for inside work. Not a great landscape lens because of field curvature but great for kids. Selling it now because I am between kids and grandkids.

I had the 70-200 v1. It was great for
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Do you think the 70-200 v1 would be a significant IQ upgrade over my 70-300L? Or are you suggesting it because it's faster for low light shots?

Interested for sake of discussion, as I now have a 70-200 f/2.8 IS II on the way as of this morning. If anyone's interested in a 9+++ 70-300L, let me know. Need to get some funds to help pay for this bad boy



Nov 17, 2017 at 04:28 AM
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Robin Smith wrote:
The 70-300L is not a mediocre lens. It is pretty well the same as the 70-200mm f4IS. Not as good as the 70-200mm f2.8 ver II. But it is a good lens. The 70-200 ver II is excellent but significantly larger and heavier than the 70-300L, particularly when you need a 1.4X to go with it to match the range. I have both and I use the 70-200mm mainly for portraits, sports and events and the 70-300L for everything else.

A 24-70 zoom is an obvious choice for your kit. I would always get the f2.8. You could sell off
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I shoot about 95% hand-held, so I thought the IS that's present in the f4 24-70 would be of more value than the speed of the f2.8 version. Then I tried the f4 IS version and wasn't super-impressed, so the idea got shelved for the time being. If they were similar prices, I'd go with the wider aperture, but they obviously aren't. What makes you disagree and lean toward the f2.8?



Nov 17, 2017 at 04:36 AM
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adittam wrote:
Do you think the 70-200 v1 would be a significant IQ upgrade over my 70-300L? Or are you suggesting it because it's faster for low light shots?

Interested for sake of discussion, as I now have a 70-200 f/2.8 IS II on the way as of this morning. If anyone's interested in a 9+++ 70-300L, let me know. Need to get some funds to help pay for this bad boy


I suggest 70-200 2.8 v1 IS because its inexpensive relative to v2, has quite high quality especially centre, and most importantly its f2.8. You will find that some of your activity is inside and f2.8 is critical particularly when they are young. You won't need 300 until they start playing football which is a long way off and you need a faster lens anyway than f5.6. And it also is a great portrait tool at 70mm/f2.8 it creates good isolation and bokeh.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=103&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1077&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 compares them and shows 70-200/f2.8 IS is slightly sharper at f2.8 than the 70-300.



Nov 17, 2017 at 05:07 AM
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