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grog13
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Looking to get a telephoto on a budget and have narrowed it down to (all used) either the Canon 100-400 mk1, Tamron 150-600 mk1, or Sigma 150-600 C. (Might consider one of the newer Sigma or Tamron 100-400s, but lack of tripod ring is a big strike.) I used to have the Tamron in Nikon mount and found it okay - not spectacular but as good as could be expected. Is the old version of the Canon 100-400 better? (Just considering IQ & AF here, disregarding focal length diferences.)


Nov 09, 2017 at 02:20 PM
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No, the MKI 100-400 isn't worth getting IMO, you might as well move to the Sigma 150-600 C. Also, Sigma can issue firmware updates allowing you to update your lens, the Tamron doesn't allow for this.

The Sigma is much better at 600mm than the 100-400 I cropped and resized by a wide margin. AF is just fine, it is pretty quick. If regarding IQ, you have to consider focal lengths, because that affects your FOV. If your goal is more reach, then 600 trumps a cropped 400 resized up.

Don't know anything about the newly announced Tamron, but it sounds like it is in the same price range as the Sigma 150-600 C, but again, you are at 400mm, albeit a lighter smaller lens. Probably depends if weight/size is more important than reach for that decision.



Nov 09, 2017 at 02:37 PM
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I'd probably go for the Sigma C out of those three. I owned the Sigma C and the 100-400 and liked the extra reach of the Sigma and better IS. I sold my Sigma but that was for the Mark 2 Canon 100-400 that works so well with 1.4TC anyways. Every review I ever read gave the nod to the Sigma over the Tamron G1. The Tamron G2 might be a different story but is the most expensive option.

The Tamron 100-400 has an optional tripod collar but it is an extra $129 making the entire kit $928. The Sigma C is on sale for $989 anyways. Only if you want the smaller size/weight would I go for the 100-400. The Sigma 100-400 has no collar options as you mentioned but is on sale for $699 with free dock and filter.



Nov 09, 2017 at 04:07 PM
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I have both the Canon 100-400s and the relatively new Sigma 100-400 C. The Sigma lacks a tripod ring which for you is a big strike. But if you are willing to hand hold or use a gun support, I've found its better than the original 100-400 and very close to the Mk II. I've not used it with a teleconverter and for that use the Canon Mk II would probably pull ahead - thats where I noticed the biggest difference between the Canon original and Mk II.

The Sigma costs about $800 new but you'll want the USB pod for an additional $65. Besides price its big advantage is that it weighs nearly half a lb less than the original 100-400 and nearly a pound less than the mk II. For me, its noticeably easier to handle.



Nov 09, 2017 at 05:02 PM
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I haven't found tripod rings to be that great, just gives the shutter vibration more torque. Have had problems with them at times. Although even the 100-400 tamron might could use one.

Which Tamron did you have, the 150-600 or an older tele?

The 100-400 v1 I used was fine, but the 150-600 C might be better



Nov 09, 2017 at 07:32 PM
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Thew new tamron 100-400 has a tripod ring on it
ahh didnt notice it was an option. Well it has the option and I am sure some 3rd party ones will release some soon for much cheaper



Nov 09, 2017 at 08:15 PM
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Had the version Canon 100-400V1 and it was really a hit or miss lens. Second version is better, but the bargain is the Sigma 150-600 C. I don't own it but the images I have seen from it are really good and the reviews are good as well.
What body were you going to use it on and what subjects ?



Nov 09, 2017 at 08:25 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
I haven't found tripod rings to be that great, just gives the shutter vibration more torque. Have had problems with them at times. Although even the 100-400 tamron might could use one.

Which Tamron did you have, the 150-600 or an older tele?

The 100-400 v1 I used was fine, but the 150-600 C might be better


I had the 150-600 v.1



Nov 09, 2017 at 09:04 PM
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Bsmooth wrote:
Had the version Canon 100-400V1 and it was really a hit or miss lens. Second version is better, but the bargain is the Sigma 150-600 C. I don't own it but the images I have seen from it are really good and the reviews are good as well.
What body were you going to use it on and what subjects ?


Would probably be using on an 80d for birds & wildlife.



Nov 09, 2017 at 09:05 PM
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I had both the Sigma 150-600C and the 100-400 II side by side for about three months (on a 700D at the time).

The Sigma held up well, but I went with the 100-400 II + TC in the end for the MFD of the Canon and the better performing IS / focus speed. Point being, I can recommend the Sigma 150-600C IQ. It's OS (IS) was a bit less than Canon's, but I did NOT buy the Sigma dock, which is supposed to make the Siggy perform better.

OTOH, I know of some folks with the Tammy that like it, too.

If "reach" is your thing ... skip the 100-400 I and go with either the Siggy or Tammy.

One thing to note about the 100-400 v. I on the 80D ... iirc, you will NOT be able to AF the 100-400 v. I with a TC attached (I can centerpoint AF with the 100-400 II + TC III on my 80D). In my book, that rules out the 100-400 version I.

Probably need to beg, borrow, rent, store demo the Tammy & Siggy to get your hands on how they feel. Balance, handling, AF, etc will probably tip the scales to your preferences more than IQ capability between them. Imo, the Siggy was a bit top heavy for me, but again ... that was mounted to the little Rebel at the time. The better grip of the 80D probably improves that somewhat.




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RustyBug wrote:
One thing to note about the 100-400 v. I on the 80D ... iirc, you will NOT be able to AF the 100-400 v. I with a TC attached (I can centerpoint AF with the 100-400 II + TC III on my 80D). In my book, that rules out the 100-400 version I.


Correction: The 80D + 100-400II + 1.4xIII will AF with all AF points and the original 100-400 + 1.4xII or III will AF with the center point. I have the 80D and both lenses and just re-verified this.



Nov 10, 2017 at 12:17 AM
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If you plan on using the 100-400 V1 or V2 plan on using some pretty high ISO's especially for birds. The lens is not fast at all, so you have to make a few allowances for this.Normally on my 1DMKIV I wind up using between 400 and 800, mostly around 800, which is great If you have a camera which deals well with higher ISO's, but this will be about the same as the Sigma.



Nov 10, 2017 at 01:24 AM
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
Correction: The 80D + 100-400II + 1.4xIII will AF with all AF points and the original 100-400 + 1.4xII or III will AF with the center point. I have the 80D and both lenses and just re-verified this.


IIRC: On an 80D, not all 45 AF points are available, only 27 points are available on Group G lens combination









Nov 10, 2017 at 02:02 AM
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Bsmooth wrote:
If you plan on using the 100-400 V1 or V2 plan on using some pretty high ISO's especially for birds. The lens is not fast at all, so you have to make a few allowances for this.Normally on my 1DMKIV I wind up using between 400 and 800, mostly around 800, which is great If you have a camera which deals well with higher ISO's, but this will be about the same as the Sigma.

Yes, I'm aware it's a sunny-day lens. I can't afford cloudy-day lenses



Nov 10, 2017 at 02:51 AM
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
Correction: The 80D + 100-400II + 1.4xIII will AF with all AF points and the original 100-400 + 1.4xII or III will AF with the center point. I have the 80D and both lenses and just re-verified this.


I won't be using a TC, so irrelevant to me.



Nov 10, 2017 at 02:53 AM
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riokid wrote:
IIRC: On an 80D, not all 45 AF points are available, only 27 points are available on Group G lens combination



Yes, correct, one of the two magical combos that supports these 27 points.
As Jeff noted the 100-400 I with 1.4TC will AF with centre point and 4 assist points on the 80D.



Nov 10, 2017 at 02:57 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Budget tele?


Thanks for the correction. I didn't recall correctly, but I knew there was a diff.

If you aren't using a TC at all, then part of the decision is 400mm (Canon) vs. 600mm (Siggy / Tammy).



Nov 10, 2017 at 03:46 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Budget tele?


I too vote for Sigma C.
In the last two years I have sold off my 500f4 L IS, 300 2.8 L IS & 70-200 f2.8 vii & 24-70vII for a lighter Fuji kit & can't say as I miss any of them for what I now shoot-travel, flowers & backyard birds.
I retained my 16-35 f4 L IS, 14mm Samyang, 100 macro & 150-600 Sigma C. The 5DIII & 1DIII plus macro & Sigma is a very capable & manageable set for me. I kept this lot as it was not worth my while selling.
I am tossing up if I should by the MPE 65 or not. But that is another matter.



Nov 10, 2017 at 07:22 AM
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Maybe just maybe one day Canon will wake up from its Deep slumber and make a 200-600 f/5-6.3.


Francois



Nov 10, 2017 at 01:44 PM
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1013956-REG/tamron_a011_c_sp_150_600mm_f_5_6_3_di.html


Nov 10, 2017 at 02:35 PM
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