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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


I ordered 400 DO II ( after Arash review of esp with 2TC ) then ı bought a second hand 600 II ; ı use 600 mostly with 1.4tc with 1Dx2 and handhelded and 100-400 with 80d ; as known 600 is a bit heavy ; with these lenses should ı cancel 400 DO or keep it ? Anybody using these lenses whats your experience?


Nov 02, 2017 at 06:01 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


depends on what you shoot, I have all three lenses, I haven't touched my 100-400 for a couple of months now. If you shoot birds 100-400 is too short and slow for most cases, if you shoot mammals or large wildlife the zoom is very useful....


Nov 02, 2017 at 06:21 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


Thanks Arash 😊 I shoot mostly birds ;
Previous post its mentioned that the 100-400 and 400 do performance is similar ;
İn long run ı decided to use 600 mm with 5dsr and 400 do plus tcs with 1dx2 (bif ); but the iso performance of 5dsr is make me indecisive ;
and how is 80d vs 7d2 ; did you compare especially iso performance ; thanks



Nov 02, 2017 at 07:18 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


I own all three and the 100-400mm gets the least use. I only have the 1dx mark II as far as bodies go. The 400DO is a get lens all around. I would not cancel the order. I am very pleased with the 2x performance on the 400mm DO. The 600mm is a better BIF lenses hands down and better in low light but the 400 DO is a great light weight lens that can get you to 800mm is some decent light. It is not my best BIF lens at 800mm but it still does work for that also. The performance with use the 1.4x is outstanding. If I wanted to put them in order for best BIF lenses then I would go

600mm bare or with 1.4x
400mm DO II with both TC's
100-400mm I never use TC's on this

I am not saying the 100-400mm is a bad lens at all, I just prefer the 200-400 as my zoom lens which is another great BIF performer.



Nov 02, 2017 at 08:46 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


This is such a tough topic because the answer is to keep all 3

But...

I went through almost the exact same decision this past year... had the 100-400II and added the 400DO II, and eventually sold the zoom. Missed the zoom, re-purchased it (as a refurb). A few months later, added the 500II, sold the DO II.

My advice: DON'T sell the 100-400. It has a super-close MFD, is small, light, and the IQ is amazing bare and w/ TC. It pairs exceptionally w/ the super-tele because:

A) the flexible zoom range and tiny MFD covers inside that nautical mile of MFD of the Great Whites

B) it's great for easy days when you want flexibility and light weight. My 500 is the best, but man, sometimes I don't want to lug it around.

C) the 100-400 is better for travel. And if you're traveling somewhere just to shoot birds, I gurarantee you'll find a way to take your 600.

The DO II is tremendous, there are days that I miss it greatly, but it's hard to justify its use case when the 100-400 is so good. Also, if I am going out to shoot birds, my 500 is the choice... if I still had the DO, there'd be no way I'd take it out over the 500...

Really ask yourself if the DO is going to get enough use when you have the 600; are you going to go out of your way just to use the DO simply because you have it and want to justify it's place in your line up, or because it really brings a needed capability to your photography pursuits?

I can say though, that the 80D is spectacular. Awesome ISO performance, great AF system, and the IQ is fantastic. Not to mention, it offers 27(?) AF points at f/8, so you can use it effectively w/ 100-400 + 1.4x. Of course, the FF counterparts are better when the conditions are more challenging.




Nov 02, 2017 at 11:22 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


I own all three lenses you would be ending up with, and use them all. If you can manage it, I recommend you keep your order for the 400 DO II, and use them all for a while to see how they fit in to the way you shoot. The 100-400 II is great for portability and the zoom covers a big range of situations. I often have it available on a second body when I am shooting either of the other two lenses. The 400 DO II is perfect for a lighter weight solution that still has great reach when you have version III extenders along. The 600 II is fantastic for reach, but is a bit difficult for me to carry any distance. I really thing the three of them are a "dream team" group of lenses. And, since they are all such great lenses, you have the option to easily sell any of them later if you end up making that decision.


Nov 02, 2017 at 04:27 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


I own all 3 of those also (and the 200-400 which gets used the least of all of them) and you can make use cases for all of them but I do find that the more I have the more of a hassle it is deciding what to take on a given day or location. Sometimes I feel like I'm just making a schedule for them to make sure I make use of them and justify keeping them all.

Sometimes I think I'd be better off with just a 500/4 to keep things simple.

600 is for when I know where I'm going and know exactly what I'm shooting and want the best IQ with most reach.
400DOII is for when I want to get out to 800mm and/or need the 1 stop advantage over similar focal lengths of the 100-400II.
100-400II is for when I'm shooting things I can get close to especially things I can get closer than the MFD of the 400DOII. Also if I want to walk around very light weight. Or as a second lens to go alongside the big lens of choice that day.

I actually travelled to CR last April and took all 3 of those lenses and used them all fairly evenly. So they can be made to work but make sure you have a need that the 400DOII will fill that the other two aren't.



Nov 03, 2017 at 03:15 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


I agree with arbitrage. At Bosque,I used the 600 on the tripod and the 400 do for in flight. If you are using a 1.4x, the DO has a 1 stop advantage over the 100-400 and is more hand holdable for me at 560 than the 600 f4.. On a recent trip to NZ, I took the DO to simplify travel and still have an 560 and 800 with converters. That said, if you have big birds in light, I've started at 400 and zoomed as they came closer. My basic kit is the 24-105 and the 100-400. I don't go anywhere without them. Other lenses depend on the trip and anticipated subjects.


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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


I'm thinking the shooting environment will sort of dictate what len(s) is preferred. I'm shooting smaller birds in darkly lit woods, no way I'll ever be doing BIF, so a 500 or 600 f/4 prime is best. Someone out in the open doing BIF, a 300 or 400 would maybe suffice? Shooting large birds in Florida might warrant less reach in some cases, other times shooting over the water, so the versatility of the 100-400 would be a boon.

Of course, it goes without saying that you can make anything work if you try hard enough.

The 500 does keep things simple. My usual bird lineup consists of 5D4, 80D, 1.4x, 2.0x, and the 500. In retrospect, after owning the 500 for a few months now, I could probably revert back and be perfectly happy with the DO II.




Nov 03, 2017 at 12:00 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


I think it depends on your style of shooting. The 400 DO II is a hand held lens... sure you can tripod it, but with respect, it's in it element when it's slung freely. The 600 is the exact opposite, sure you can hand hold it, but it's in its element on a tripod. So the question is, what's your style? Run and gun, or park, set up, and wait? There's no problem with either style but you'll probably want to understand your methods and apply the lens of choice to that. If you practice both styles... and you have the cash to support it, keep 'em both.


Nov 03, 2017 at 05:22 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


Been pondering this question as well and do own the 100-400V2. I pretty much shoot handheld. This weekend I was out at dawn with my 1D4 and 100-400, and after getting back and looking thru the images all were pretty much too dark to use, and thats at shooting at 800 ISO and around 1/1000 at 5.6.
If you shoot under these conditions, you'll need a different lens and or a body that can shoot well at higher ISO's.
The 100-400v2 is a great lens but it does need quite a bit of light.



Nov 06, 2017 at 03:18 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


denzar wrote:
Thanks Arash 😊 I shoot mostly birds ;
Previous post its mentioned that the 100-400 and 400 do performance is similar ;
İn long run ı decided to use 600 mm with 5dsr and 400 do plus tcs with 1dx2 (bif ); but the iso performance of 5dsr is make me indecisive ;
and how is 80d vs 7d2 ; did you compare especially iso performance ; thanks


Hi Denzar I don't have an 80D or 7D2, I had a 7D2 for a couple of weeks when it first came out, it was a long time ago, my small camera is the 5D4



Nov 07, 2017 at 08:36 AM
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speedmaster20d wrote:
Hi Denzar I don't have an 80D or 7D2, I had a 7D2 for a couple of weeks when it first came out, it was a long time ago, my small camera is the 5D4


Then you advise 5d4 instead of 5dsr 😊



Nov 07, 2017 at 08:39 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


denzar wrote:
Thanks Arash 😊 I shoot mostly birds ;
Previous post its mentioned that the 100-400 and 400 do performance is similar ;
İn long run ı decided to use 600 mm with 5dsr and 400 do plus tcs with 1dx2 (bif ); but the iso performance of 5dsr is make me indecisive ;
and how is 80d vs 7d2 ; did you compare especially iso performance ; thanks


The 80D is slightly better than the 7D2 for ISO performance but not os much as to make me swap my 7D2 for it, mainly because the AF on the 7D2 is (for me) noticeably better for the more tricky subjects and for the higher frame rate.
I have not used the 5DSR but I have read several comments that the AF on the 5DSR is slightly better than the 7D2 but of course the frame rate is much lower.
After renting the 5D4 I am seriously considering it over my 7D2 - the AF is more assured and any 'reach advantage' from pixel density disappears above ISO 2,000 because of the better quality pixels on the 5D4. The 5D4 also has all-point AF at f8.



Nov 07, 2017 at 10:22 AM
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Mikehit wrote:
The 80D is slightly better than the 7D2 for ISO performance but not os much as to make me swap my 7D2 for it, mainly because the AF on the 7D2 is (for me) noticeably better for the more tricky subjects and for the higher frame rate.
I have not used the 5DSR but I have read several comments that the AF on the 5DSR is slightly better than the 7D2 but of course the frame rate is much lower.
After renting the 5D4 I am seriously considering it over my 7D2 - the AF is more assured and any 'reach advantage'
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80D better ISO performance than 7D2? Maybe for 100-200ISO but not for high ISO ,,, I don't have a 7D2 so can't do a direct comparison, but everything I read and see suggests the 7D2 is slightly better at High ISO, not worse. 80D is hardly better above 800 ISO or so than my much older 450D (yes, the jpegs are much better, but I only care about RAW). I agree that 80D AF is in some ways far inferior to the 7D2.



Nov 07, 2017 at 03:02 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 400 DO II with 100-400 II & 600 II ?


Mikehit wrote:
The 80D is slightly better than the 7D2 for ISO performance but not os much as to make me swap my 7D2 for it, mainly because the AF on the 7D2 is (for me) noticeably better for the more tricky subjects and for the higher frame rate.
I have not used the 5DSR but I have read several comments that the AF on the 5DSR is slightly better than the 7D2 but of course the frame rate is much lower.
After renting the 5D4 I am seriously considering it over my 7D2 - the AF is more assured and any 'reach advantage'
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I find no advantage at high ISO on the 80D compared to the 7D2. There is advantage at base ISO, though. The AF on the 80D is no where near that of the 7D2 for me. Anyone who thinks it is probably had a bad copy of the 7D2.

I still find no advantage on the 5D4 over the 7D2 as far as AF is concerned, either. Clearly the 5D4 is better at high ISO, compared to the 7D2, but I shoot plenty at below ISO 2000, so I will NOT be giving up my 7D2 for the 5D4 entirely. However, I will use the 5D4 when the light is poor because it does deliver better IQ when the ISO needs to go up.

There are times to use one machine or the other. I like the 80D for anything but birds (I like to use it for macro and landscapes) and the 5D4 for a lot of stuff when I want a FF FOV and bokehy background. Good light, 7D2 still wins as the FOV helps a lot in getting more pixels on image. I do wish the 5D4 has the flippy/floppy screen of the 80D, though.



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