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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Just returned from a great photo trip to Colorado and, in reviewing my photos, I am very underwhelmed with 24-105 II (on a 5D4) images: just not sharp enough (using all the usual techniques). I need to consider options. I will use it almost equally for 1) family photos, where AF speed and accuracy are important); 2) landscapes, where (obviously) sharpness across the image is important. I plan on keeping my Tamron 15-30, which I am pleased with; and my Canon 70-200 f/4 IS (which I may trade in for the f/2.8). I slightly prefer a zoom. The 24-70 Canon and Tamron options are clearly in the running -- but the Canon, especially, is not cheap. I would be pleased to hear any suggestions.


Oct 06, 2017 at 06:49 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Replacement for 24-105 II


If you are ok with just 24-70, the canon L 24-70 f4 IS is exceptionally sharp, relatively small and pretty reasonable to buy used - I got my last copy for about $450

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Just returned from a great photo trip to Colorado and, in reviewing my photos, I am very underwhelmed with 24-105 II (on a 5D4) images: just not sharp enough (using all the usual techniques). I need to consider options. I will use it almost equally for 1) family photos, where AF speed and accuracy are important); 2) landscapes, where (obviously) sharpness across the image is important. I plan on keeping my Tamron 15-30, which I am pleased with; and my Canon 70-200 f/4 IS (which I may trade in for the f/2.8). I slightly prefer a zoom. The 24-70 Canon
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Oct 06, 2017 at 06:56 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Replacement for 24-105 II


I bought a 24-105/4L IS II but returned it when my tests showed it's more-or-less the same as the first version, which I still have. I had hoped the Mk II would functionally replace my 24-70/2.8L II, but it didn't have a chance. Since then, I bought the 24-70/4L IS, and it's an excellent lens. IQ-wise at common apertures, the 24-70/4L IS doesn't lose anything to the 24-70/2.8 II, at least not on a 20 MPx 6D camera.


Oct 06, 2017 at 07:11 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Did you MFA the lens? Every 24-105 + camera combo I've tested has benefitted from this, and it's pretty straightforward to do. If you've done that and still aren't happy, then give one of the EF 24-70's a try. I'd go for the f/4 version unless you really need the faster lens.


Oct 06, 2017 at 07:14 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Replacement for 24-105 II


If you are going to travel the Canon 70-200 f/4 IS light. I miss mine as I went to the 2.8. If you do get V2. I still use a crop so I got 55-250 STM for a light travel zoom.

I had the original 24-105 and never liked it on a FF. I picked up the 24-70 2.8 II. Very happy with it.



Oct 06, 2017 at 07:33 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Replacement for 24-105 II


I tried 3 different 24-105 lenses before I gave up and spent more on a 24-70 2.8ii and it's absolutely amazing. I barely use it at 2.8 though, so if the f4 is as good, I might go for that if I was buying now.


Oct 06, 2017 at 07:40 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Replacement for 24-105 II


I purchased my 7D2 and it came with the 24-70 f4. I had the 2.8 so it to a friend. He said it was worth every penny.


Oct 06, 2017 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Canon dropped the ball a little with the mk II. Really disappointed to see barely any improvement outside of IS. It's a sweet travel FL to have but when you compare it to the superb results of the 24-70L II you realise it's a rather average performer. Alas the Sigma is not much better and a fair bit heavier.

Good reports on the Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 G2, but it's not optically better than the G1, but has better build, coatings, AF and VC.

Looks like the world awaits a truly great 24-120 f/4, maybe Sigma or Tamron can add something one day that will be a nice step up from current offerings. 24-120 f/4 Art OS please.



Oct 06, 2017 at 09:29 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Actually my second 24-105/4ISv1 copy is razor sharp. Edge to edge, even at 24mm. I believe I posted some pics a while ago, taken on a boat. Need to say: this lens requires good technique to make it shine, especially on a high res sensor. I could dig up that topic if you like.
The problem with mine doesn't really seem to be the sharpness, but the overall rendition of colour. When I compare it to my 85/1.2 at identical FL, ISO and aperture, the 85 is so much nicer to look at. Same with my 16-35/4IS @24mm. So much more vivid, don't know how to describe it.
My 24-105 is a great walk around zoom to bring along with my 5DsR when traveling light. But there are other lenses that I use whenever and wherever I can.



Oct 06, 2017 at 09:57 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Replacement for 24-105 II


fixedgearmike wrote:
I tried 3 different 24-105 lenses before I gave up and spent more on a 24-70 2.8ii and it's absolutely amazing. I barely use it at 2.8 though, so if the f4 is as good, I might go for that if I was buying now.


The 24-70/4IS is wonderful. And the IS makes it easier to work with when light levels drop to 1/60s shutter speeds.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Sigma makes a great 24-105.


Oct 06, 2017 at 10:55 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Unfortunately, Canon upgraded everything except acuity on the 24-105L II: better AF, better stabilization, better sealing, and better transmission especially at the long end, but it's not really better optically.

So, if you need better optics and want the full 24-105 range, look here: runamuck wrote:
Sigma makes a great 24-105.






Oct 07, 2017 at 02:51 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Yes, the Sigma Art 24-105mm is a great choice; highly recommended.


Oct 07, 2017 at 06:15 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Off topic a bit, but darn, I wish Canon would reintroduce a 24-85mm lens. The old 3.5/4.5 was great in its day, but not so great on high mpx sensors. The range is not as extreme as 24-105mm, which should make it easier to eek the most quality possible, and it could simply have a fixed F 4.0 aperture instead of the 3.5/4.5 setup as the old one. Throw in IS, and you would have a truely great general purpose lens. I have never been drawn to 24-70mm lenses, because they are not long enough. To me, 70mm is a kind of no mans land, where 85mm is easy to conceptualize, and use as a classic focal length. I know they would consider it a redundancy when a 24-70mm and a 24-105mm lenses exist, but I think it would have fewer compromises than a 24-105mm, and should be capable of similar quality as a 24-70mm variant.


Oct 07, 2017 at 06:35 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Replacement for 24-105 II


I don't dispute than the Sigma Art is better optically than the Canon 24-105, but it still doesn't match the 24-70 2.8 L II.



Oct 07, 2017 at 08:47 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Replacement for 24-105 II


alundeb wrote:
I don't dispute than the Sigma Art is better optically than the Canon 24-105, but it still doesn't match the 24-70 2.8 L II.


I'd honestly like to see a reputable test at f/8; I've no doubt that the Canon would be better at f/4 and probably at f/5.6, but they should be close at landscape apertures.



Oct 07, 2017 at 09:10 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Replacement for 24-105 II


johnctharp wrote:
I'd honestly like to see a reputable test at f/8; I've no doubt that the Canon would be better at f/4 and probably at f/5.6, but they should be close at landscape apertures.


If you don't count CA and distortion, I guess they will be rather close at f/8, and sometimes one slightly better than the other, depending on where you look. I do however count CA and distortion even for landscape lenses and the Sigma has more of it.



Oct 07, 2017 at 10:03 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Replacement for 24-105 II


Abbott Schindl wrote:
Did you MFA the lens?


Hi Abbott, in case you asked me this question, the answer is, it doesn't matter for the LiveView manual focus tests that I did.



Oct 07, 2017 at 10:32 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Replacement for 24-105 II


24-70L F/2.8II is the best option by far . I know , it's expensive , but ... it's so so so goood !!!!


Oct 07, 2017 at 12:05 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Replacement for 24-105 II


For me - there is not a much better lens than 24-105 f4 v1 or v2 for landscape.

When you are at f8, there is very little difference. Yes at 24mm/f4 the 24-70 v2 is better but not much better. And the 24-70 does not have IS and cannot do 105mm. And most importantly unless you are pixel peeping - you won't know the difference.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=787&Camera=979&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=4&LensComp=1072&CameraComp=979&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=3

Furthermore as demonstrated by lensreentals .com the differences in performance lens to lens of zooms is likely to be more impact than the difference between 24-70 vs 24-105

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2017/02/things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-zoom-lenses/

It is rare in landscape that you are shooting at f4/24mm and if you are you should consider a prime. You might want to test 5 or 6 24-105's at 24mm and get the best one if you want a versatile lens (24-105 is) or if you can live with 70mm as max without IS, get the best 24-70. And if you really care about 24mm buy the Zeiss 25/2.

Choose based on function not iq - because the differences are not that significant for landscape.

I love the 24-105 f4 v1 because of its versatility, filter size, price that lets me abuse it, is that lets me shoot handheld. I am considering the 24-105 higher stop just for lightness though. Being there with reasonable versatility is critical

Now if you told me you were using it for night-scape (wide open/24mm) I might have a different conclusion.



Oct 07, 2017 at 04:31 PM
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