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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


I came home from work last night to a double dose of happiness. My RX1R ii arrived as well as the Leica Q I rented. I wanted to shoot them side by side to see how they compared. Handling wise, I can see how some people really like the Q. The manual focus is definitely better from an operational standpoint, although I'm used to the Sony being that I've been using the RX10 iii for a while and the mechanism seems to be almost exactly the same. I actually prefer the feel of the RX1R ii in hand with the Lim's half case/grip and Thumb's Up thumb grip. No need to go into much more, because there are many reviews out there.

I started taking dim incandescent shots in the house last night and definitely need to play with the settings a bit more for each camera. I will say that I do like the 35mm length than the 28mm of the Q, so if all things end up being equal I will keep the Sony. From what I looked at last night, though, the Sony files appeal to me more than the Leica. It could just be that I'm used to the way Sony images look being that I've had the RX100 ii and v and the RX10 iii.

The autofocus was quick enough. I agree that the Leica does focus a little quicker but I'm not shooting street photography, so I can easily live with the Sony.

Last night I shot in Aperture priority. I need to look closer at the files, but there may be a little loss of sharpness because of the shutter speeds the camera was choosing. Like I said, I was shooting in dim conditions so it may have been using slower shutter speeds. I'm going to play around with manual mode tonight. I've seen examples of how much detail there is in the shadows on the RX1R, so I'm going to try using a quicker shutter speed and see how things look when I process in Lightroom.

Any tips on adjusting the factory default settings to improve performance? I'm going to set up Eye AF tonight.

The only reservation I have right now - the fact that alpha rumors says there's a big surprise coming in October from Sony. Luckily I have until the end of September to return it if the RX1R iii is announced within the next few weeks.



Sep 27, 2017 at 02:48 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


Hey, congrats on the RX1Rii! I have the RX1 and love the performance for such a small camera!

One thing about shutter speed with the new version -- you can set the minimum shutter speed that the camera should use before bumping up the ISO (when using auto ISO of course).

That way, you can stay in A mode and not worry about it picking 1/30 (or whichever speed it defaults to). It's one thing I wish my older Sony's had!

The setting is called : ISO AUTO Min. SS

Have fun! I've always wanted to try the Q as well, as I hear it's more responsive, especially in low light, but I don't feel I need or want to go wider than the RX1 lens.



Sep 27, 2017 at 08:26 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


I agree that the Q is more responsive, but the images in low light seem to be much better on the RX1R ii due to the dynamic range. I'm thinking that I can use a lower ISO and a faster shutter because of that. I will play around with the ISO Auto Min SS but I don't want to add too much noise. I'll also try to shoot at a lower ISO and faster shutter and then pull the details out in LR to see how that works.


Sep 27, 2017 at 09:01 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


Well, I hit a little stumble. Although the images look better in low light, the Q is consistently getting more keepers in low light situations. This is something I now have to seriously consider. The Q seems less prone to camera shake in low light, maybe because of the relative resolution. With the RX1R ii, I'm getting some blurred images.


Sep 28, 2017 at 01:13 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


keep us posted on your experience. I greatly appreciate it haha


Sep 28, 2017 at 01:18 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


How's the weight and size of carrying the two around compare? Any fun camera porn?


Sep 28, 2017 at 08:50 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


First off, thanks for sharing your experience.


saxguy wrote:
The only reservation I have right now - the fact that alpha rumors says there's a big surprise coming in October from Sony. Luckily I have until the end of September to return it if the RX1R iii is announced within the next few weeks.


This has me holding off on picking a fixed compact for non photography related trips. That and a used Leica Q goes for the same as a new D850....apples and oranges I know I know.



Sep 28, 2017 at 09:02 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


Surfnsun wrote:
First off, thanks for sharing your experience.


This has me holding off on picking a fixed compact for non photography related trips. That and a used Leica Q goes for the same as a new D850....apples and oranges I know I know.


The chances of a RX1R iii being announced before the A7r iii (or A9r) is virtually nil. Now they might make an RX2 or something with the curved sensor but that's an entirely different camera, and I'd be surprised if Sony could pull this off without so much as a rumor. The next announcement is probably going to be the A7 iii, which is an A9's sensor in the A7r ii body with slightly lower specs.

I like the Q. But size-wise it's a bigger camera, and the files simply aren't as good as the RX1R ii. I shoot with the RX1R ii and it never leaves the bag. I flirted with the idea of a Q, but in the end decided to go for the 28mm Summilux paired with an A7r ii.



Sep 28, 2017 at 09:58 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


yeah, I think the main draw for me when it comes to the rx1rii and leica Q is the size. I've heard how the Q's autofocus and ergonomics along with fast start up time makes it very enjoyable to shoot, but the rx1rii size makes it so much easier to take everywhere it seems. I'm assuming both have awesome image quality despite the pixel difference. The only thing that can pull me over to Leica Q is if it is ridiculously fun to use and has more 3d pop


Sep 28, 2017 at 11:42 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


The Q has definitely been reported to have the edge indoors and in low light, wrt AF.

There was a great thread about the Q vs RX1rii here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1405935/0

I'd also considered a Q, but it would've had to have been my only camera. In the end, I found it wasn't appreciably smaller than a Sony A7, so it wouldn't fit the role that I wanted it to.

I now have an RX1, an A7ii and an a99ii and actually the RX1 gets brought out more because of its size more than its performance, so that's something to consider as well.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


I have a Q, and also owned the RX1RII for a short time. Sold the RII, and kept the Q.

Yes, the RII produced better, more malleable files, which also matched my A7RII's files due to its identical sensor. No debate here -- the IQ of the RII is better than the Q, whose dynamic range is not terribly great. I'm a 35mm guy, and the 28mm bothered me at first; however, over time, I've learned to appreciate the benefits of the wider FOV for personal and subjective reasons. 35mm vs 28mm -- each has its benefits/drawbacks. Neither is perfect for everything. The RII's battery life absolutely stank; I mean, it's really bad. The Q's touchscreen implementation could take a lesson from Olympus/Panasonic; I feel that it has much potential, but design decisions are a bit poor and unintuitive. I sometimes wish it didn't have a cooked-in RAW lens correction profile.

In the end, all things considered, the Q was so much more fun to use in everyday situations. Manual focus is such a joy on the Q. The higher-speed electronic shutter allowed its usage in more versatile lighting situations. I actually enjoy its larger size, as it feels more substantial and confidence-inducing. I've shot two weddings with the Q as my main camera and it never, ever skipped a beat. It's been absolutely reliable for me.

For what it's worth, I also owned an RX1 and an RX1R a while back, and both suffered lens-related mechanical problems, which made me a bit leary of the RII's reliability.

I think that neither camera is perfect, and -- for me, at least -- the high asking prices of each seems to psychologically make us expect it to be the perfect, "end-all" camera. That doesn't exist. I'm glad that you have both the Q and the RII in hand; keep shooting as much as you can to intimately learn each camera's personality, and in the end go with the one that is most congruent to your preferences and shooting style. You can't go wrong with either -- they're both spectacular imaging instruments.



Sep 29, 2017 at 02:51 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


Well, I decided to return the RX1R ii. When the focus was locked it produced fantastic images. The focus hunting and low light blurring when handheld was something I couldn't look past. It's a shame, because I was really looking forward to using it. I ordered the Q. I also pre-ordered the RX10 iv. I figure with the longer reach of the RX10 iv and the better AF as compared to the iii (which I had and loved - sold it for the iv) I should pretty much be covered for traveling with two cameras that can complement one another.


Sep 29, 2017 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


Tough decision lol. man, I was totally thinking about rx1rii or waiting for the rx1riii, but seeing what people have said about the Leica Q is still making me curious about it. Now that you've decided Leica Q when initially you were for the rx1rii, I'm even more curious now haha. Do you think the leica Q would stand out when street shooting even if its got gaffer tape all over it? If it can still pass for low profile....id be tempted


Sep 29, 2017 at 08:09 PM
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saxguy wrote:
Well, I decided to return the RX1R ii. When the focus was locked it produced fantastic images. The focus hunting and low light blurring when handheld was something I couldn't look past. It's a shame, because I was really looking forward to using it. I ordered the Q. I also pre-ordered the RX10 iv. I figure with the longer reach of the RX10 iv and the better AF as compared to the iii (which I had and loved - sold it for the iv) I should pretty much be covered for traveling with two cameras that can complement one another.
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Good luck with the Q. With time, you will increasingly appreciate its qualities, and you will quickly grow accustomed to the 28mm FOV. Also, with regard to low light shooting, the Q has image stabilization, which can be a huge benefit with stationary subjects.

Rob



Sep 29, 2017 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


Damn, I was just playing with the RX1R ii again. It really does produce some stunning images. Such a tough call. I need to try different settings in low light again before I send it back. I'm setting the min shutter to 125 but it's still slower sometimes. Does the setting only work in certain modes?

Shot this one this afternoon with the RX1R ii. Still decorating for Halloween.

creepy1 by George Dierna, on Flickr



Sep 29, 2017 at 08:29 PM
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saxguy wrote:
Damn, I was just playing with the RX1R ii again. It really does produce some stunning images. Such a tough call. I need to try different settings in low light again before I send it back. I'm setting the min shutter to 125 but it's still slower sometimes. Does the setting only work in certain modes?

Shot this one this afternoon with the RX1R ii. Still decorating for Halloween.




If you set a max ISO, the min shutter speed will only apply until the max ISO is reached. If you want a hard 1/125 minimum no matter what, you can set the max ISO to 102400 and it will stay at 1/125.

I've found no problems getting very sharp results of static subjects at 1/30s, with the EVF and using a thumb grip.



Sep 29, 2017 at 09:58 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


Is the Leica Q more enjoyable to shoot with? Or is the Rx1rii quite nice to hold because of the size?


Sep 29, 2017 at 09:59 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


hsiunghsiung wrote:
Is the Leica Q more enjoyable to shoot with? Or is the Rx1rii quite nice to hold because of the size?


Both.




Sep 29, 2017 at 10:28 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


I suggest you get the Metro grip for the RX1R II. The AF (once you figure out the right set) is blazingly fast and reliable.

I do not see myself going for the Q ever.

The RX1R II is a vastly superior camera in every way.



Sep 29, 2017 at 10:32 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · RX1R ii arrived - plus I rented a Leica Q


I agree with your thoughts on the focus speed of the RX1R mk2. Definitely much improved over the mark 1, but still couldn't be described as quick. I was disappointed as I loved the rendering of the zeiss 35 f2, but I suppose sticking with the old lens design also creates limitations in terms AF performance.


Sep 30, 2017 at 02:51 AM
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