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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


At 39 ounces this new lens would be the heaviest I ever mounted on a tripod without using a tripod ring. Even it's smaller cousins are heavy預t 32-ounces, the new 90 TS-E will be 12 ounces heavier than its predecessor. Anyone know if there is cause for concern that a 5DSR body might not be robust enough to support those kinds of cantilevered loads? I can imagine having these lenses on the camera a lot. Might the stresses and strains add up to give an unwanted new meaning to "tilt" and "shift?" Anyone have successful experience with 40-ounce or greater lens weights on a tripod setup without using a tripod ring?

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Sep 27, 2017 at 09:25 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


A 2.8 70-200 or similar lenses do not break anything.
The stress for the mount is certainly higher, when you are walking with them mounted while carrying the camera on a neck strap. This does not imply that a heavy lens with no support around the center of gravity makes an easy to adjust and low-vibration combo.



Sep 27, 2017 at 09:32 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


Not really on-topic but what are the main uses for a tilt/shift 135mm? It's not obvious to me

90mm t/s yes, studio work, packaging etc but 135 is a bit long for that IMHO, what are you guys using yours for?



Sep 27, 2017 at 10:11 AM
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dhphoto wrote:
Not really on-topic but what are the main uses for a tilt/shift 135mm? It's not obvious to me
?


I often use tilt at 150mm, for "groundscapes" at oblique angles, and so I figure it's pretty normal at 135mm, too.



Sep 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


I'm not a Canon user but if such a lens was available for Nikon I would use it for landscape.

This is around that focal length, lens stopped down but no tilt:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ilkka_nissila/10318602666/in/dateposted-public/

To get those leaves on the water all in focus would have been possible using tilt and the shutter speed could have been faster to avoid movement blur.

85mm with tilt:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ilkka_nissila/28784497730/in/dateposted-public/




Sep 27, 2017 at 10:31 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


The lens is designed for use with third party cameras and adapters with tripod mounts

I am not concerned at all about robustness, but the staility is not optimal. That being said, I have pulled down tack sharp images with the 70-200 2.8 L IS II mounted on the camera when I forgot a tripod mount.




Sep 27, 2017 at 10:53 AM
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jcolwell wrote:
I often use tilt at 150mm, for "groundscapes" at oblique angles, and so I figure it's pretty normal at 135mm, too.


Yup, groundscapes.

Here is one example, with the Sigma 100-300 at 150mm, where stopping down even to f/22 didn't provide enough DOF:

theline by Anders Lundeby, on Flickr


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Sep 27, 2017 at 10:59 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


A lot of money just for that IMHO and nothing you couldn't reasonably accomplish with the 90mm


Sep 27, 2017 at 11:12 AM
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dhphoto wrote:
A lot of money just for that IMHO


That could be said about all my photography.

dhphoto wrote:
... and nothing you couldn't reasonably accomplish with the 90mm


I guess that goes for all prime lenses with focal length ratio less than 2?

But thanks for your encouraging comments



Sep 27, 2017 at 11:18 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


Just seems a very odd lens to spend so much money developing. If they sell more than a few hundred I'd be surprised.

If I were given one free I'd sell it, in 35+ years as a pro I can't think of a job I'd have used it on, not with the 90mm around

Then I've never been much of a fan of the 135mm focal length, couldn't get on with my 135L at all



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


The thing about such groundscapes as in my example, is that the need for tilt increases with increasing focal length, because the DOF is reduced. At the same time, the difficulty in getting the same composition with a shorter focal length also increases with the focal length in many cases, because we use long lenses in the first place because access to the subject is difficult otherwise. You don't see what is between me and the subject.

But it will be interesting to hear about other cases for the 135 TS-E.

Myself, I would also be intersted in such a lens because of what the larger image circle does to the corner sharpness without shift, and the possibility to adapt the lens to a medium format camera.



Sep 27, 2017 at 11:33 AM
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Taking the term 'niche lens' to a new level IMHO


Sep 27, 2017 at 11:53 AM
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Absolutely, but we are talking about multiple niches for the same lens.

It is also a semi-macro.



Sep 27, 2017 at 11:56 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


Over here it's about 2 1/2 times the price of the excellent 100L macro
I just don't see the point of it, although that doesn't matter



Sep 27, 2017 at 12:04 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


If you think about how the lens fits into a full kit you already have, there is not much room for it. That's how we think when new lenses arrive.

OTOH, building a kit from scratch, the 135mm T/S-E L macro lens alone could replace these lenses for many:

135 mm prime for landscapes
150 mm macro
90 mm T/S for small products



Sep 27, 2017 at 12:12 PM
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alundeb wrote:
If you think about how the lens fits into a full kit you already have, there is not much room for it. That's how we think when new lenses arrive.


That's not my thought process. My kit has room. Maybe that's a sign it's not a full kit. Have to work on it...



Sep 27, 2017 at 12:28 PM
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alundeb wrote:
If you think about how the lens fits into a full kit you already have, there is not much room for it. That's how we think when new lenses arrive.

OTOH, building a kit from scratch, the 135mm T/S-E L macro lens alone could replace these lenses for many:

135 mm prime for landscapes
150 mm macro
90 mm T/S for small products


Purely my opinion but 135mm would be way too long for the everyday studio lens, limited DOF, long subject distances, just too long

Too heavy for a handheld macro lens

135mm for landscapes would be very limiting IMHO

You could comfortably buy three really good lenses for the price



Sep 27, 2017 at 12:37 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


dhphoto wrote:
Just seems a very odd lens to spend so much money developing.


Yeah, I have to agree. I would have thought an updated 135/2 with IS would have been a more popular choice with better ROI.



Sep 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · New TS-E 135葉oo heavy for 5D-class body on tripod?


dhphoto wrote:
You could comfortably buy three really good lenses for the price


No, you couldn't, not by a long shot if you compare new prices for lenses available new now. Prices in NOK:

Canon TS-E 90: 15000
Sigma 150 macro: 10000 (Only the OS version is available here)
Zeiss 135 APO-Sonnar (Only a lens of this caliber would make sense as an improvement over zooms available): 18000
Sum: 43000 NOK
TS-E 135: 25000

You could of course buy "three really good lenses" for NOK 25000, but not a kit like the one I mentioned.



Sep 27, 2017 at 12:55 PM
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alundeb wrote:
No, you couldn't, not by a long shot if you compare new prices for lenses available new now. Prices in NOK:

Canon TS-E 90: 15000
Sigma 150 macro: 10000 (Only the OS version is available here)
Zeiss 135 APO-Sonnar (Only a lens of this caliber would make sense as an improvement over zooms available): 18000
Sum: 43000 NOK
TS-E 135: 25000

You could of course buy "three really good lenses" for NOK 25000, but not a kit like the one I mentioned.


I didn't say you could buy those three lenses for the same price



Sep 27, 2017 at 01:18 PM
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