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any users here?
any pros or cons?
can i use transmitter with Nikon flash on top?



Sep 26, 2017 at 01:08 PM
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These are great little strobes. Compact, powerful and part of the Godox X-system. I have 3 of them.

Pros are the size and weight (and cost!). Availability of dual bracket.

Main cons are that the screen on the back is hard to see in sunlight. The current remotes (especially the X1. The XT32 is better) are not the most intuitive, but the newly announced X Pro should be a big improvement when it comes out. Also, it would be nice if they were just a little more powerful (250 or 300 w/s would be perfect!)

As far as mounting a flash on top of the transmitter, I haven't used it that way myself, but I think I've read that it works as you'd expect. This option would only be available with the X1 transmitter, as the XT32 and X Pro don't have hotshoes.

Hope this helps.

C

Edited on Sep 28, 2017 at 03:06 PM · View previous versions



Sep 26, 2017 at 04:43 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Godox AD200


ok, thank you!


Sep 26, 2017 at 04:47 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Godox AD200


In terms of mounting a speedlite on top of the X1 transmitter, yes you can do it but it does not seem to support ttl when mounted like this - ie it just gives you center pin fire. So if you are ok with shooting the speedlite on top of the x1 in manual, then you should be ok.

Otherwise, I quite like my AD200s, but there's definitely some pros and cons.

In terms of positives - it is relatively tiny for such a powerful strobe, love that it has TTL and works quite well as a run and gun setup. The swappable heads is really nice too because when you want a really tight focused beam, I can easily just throw a gridded fresnel head on there, and when it's in a softbox I'll use the bare bulb head. It's also nice to have essentially a spare bulb in your bag with both the fresnel and bare bulb heads. Spares are super cheap - $39 for a replacement bulb is great. And lastly it's quite powerful - definitely has its limits, but as long as you're using it with a max ~36" softbox, or a ~4 ft umbrella you can comfortably keep the power down to about 1/4 so your recycle time isn't super long.

Negatives - My first AD200 stopped recognizing the head, which required a replacement body to be sent out to me. Was kind of concerning, but the new replacement body I got has been used heavily since and seems to be ok. I personally think the design is not good in terms of durability - especially for the rear screen. A lot of times I just stack a bunch of my strobes and stuff into one crate and throw it into the corner of my studio, and I definitely have to take more care with the AD200s.



Sep 27, 2017 at 08:13 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Godox AD200


oh, well.
kind of disappointing?
was looking forward to shoot TTLwith the unit on top, now kind does not serve the purpose. did you try with Godox TT685N on top in TTL mode?



Sep 28, 2017 at 12:52 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Godox AD200


oh, well.
kind of disappointing?
was looking forward to shoot TTLwith the unit on top, now kind does not serve the purpose. did you try with Godox TT685N on top in TTL mode?



Sep 28, 2017 at 01:31 PM
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classicph wrote:
any users here?
any pros or cons?
can i use transmitter with Nikon flash on top?


I'm working with a wedding photographer who just added these to his kit in place of Canon 600EX-RT speedlites. The problem with the Canon units was primarily available power and speed of recycling. Recycling could be improved with use of an external battery pack but the only way to increase power output is to gang multiple units in a modifier, such as an umbrella. It just made set up more time consuming and more complex with the need for more parts. The AD200's greater output and full self-contained design greatly simplifies things, allowing one to replace at least 2-4 speedlites (for equivalent output). Given that an AD200 is less expensive than a Canon 600EX-RT, it's by far a much more cost effective solution.

Pros: the additional power output, quick recycling at middle output and lower output settings (that would equal full output of a speedlite), general reliability, integrated battery (no cables), option for bare bulb head, relatively compact size, price.

Cons: random disconnects (doesn't happen all that often, but still happens). Thermal protection circuit will shut down the unit after a certain number of consecutive flashes. While you can shoot a lot consecutively, it's still possible to run into this 'barrier'. Related to this, if using HSS at or near full power, thermal protection will kick in after about 40 flashes and potentially shut down the unit for ~10 minutes. This may be accelerated by use in direct sunlight, causing the unit to heat up more quickly. We discovered this while shooting outdoor family photos... The LCD display is virtually unreadable in bright (outdoor) conditions.

In respect to integrating with the existing Canon RT triggering system, he decided to just go all out and buy all the Godox related parts to create a complete Godox strobe system when he wants to use the AD200s. Therefore he added a few of the Li-ion Godox speedlites to serve as master units and spares. He still kept his Canon 600EX-RTs which he uses unless he wants to use the AD200s, then he switches fully over to the Godox system. So far this has worked but he feels the Godox speedlites are a bit on the cheap side. He loves their Li-ion battery system but the units themselves could be made better. For example he's already melted the fresnel lens of one of the speedlites after just a few weddings (he shoots a lot and very quickly, therefore can be hard on his gear).



Sep 28, 2017 at 03:29 PM
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This is the second fresnel melting issue that I've heard of with the V860 speedlites. Hmm I was thinking about picking up a couple but it seems like they have have a few things to work out..

Another thing I'd add regarding the AD200 for wedding/engagement photography is that on location in areas where there are a lot of engagement shooters around using radio triggered lighting, they have a tendency to fire from other signals, which can be pretty annoying if you're pushing the strobe and have a little longer recycle time



Sep 28, 2017 at 04:23 PM
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classicph wrote:
oh, well.
kind of disappointing?
was looking forward to shoot TTLwith the unit on top, now kind does not serve the purpose. did you try with Godox TT685N on top in TTL mode?


Correction!!!

Apologies - I just realized that in order to make the speedlite mounted on top of the X1 trigger fire in TTL mode, you have to switch group A on the trigger to TTL.

Apparently when you mount a speedlite on top of the X1, it becomes group A.

So good news, you can use a non-godox speedlite on top of the X1 trigger. I was using a canon 580 ex ii on a 5dm4 body.



Sep 28, 2017 at 04:31 PM
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Have you guys heard about an issues with TTL and Sony bodies (AD200)?


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sungphoto wrote:
This is the second fresnel melting issue that I've heard of with the V860 speedlites. Hmm I was thinking about picking up a couple but it seems like they have have a few things to work out..


Well, he has a tendency to shoot a lot very rapidly and often has the head zoomed to the widest position to illuminate a larger overhead area when using bounce... So the flash tube would have been very close to the fresnel. He mentioned something about wanting to drill a couple holes to allow better ventilation. That said, in years of shooting with the Canon 600EX-RT units, neither of us have ever had that happen.

In his opinion, it's a consequence of the price point. While the Godox gear generally does what it promises, how it does it is sometimes not quite as elegant or robust as a higher end product. While overall build of the AD200 feels decent, the speedlites feel a bit cheaper. The bounce card and/or WA diffuser in one of those units has also pulled out... This and melting the fresnel was all after just a few weddings. He also complained that it felt like the Godox TTL system took longer to figure things out with off-camera TTL. I guess he felt there was some lag between pushing the shutter release and actual exposure. I haven't yet used the gear myself so I'm not exactly sure how to explain this more succinctly. He said it's not a problem with the remotes set to manual output.

Fred: I can't comment - I don't know anyone using these with Sony.



Sep 28, 2017 at 07:28 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Have you guys heard about an issues with TTL and Sony bodies (AD200)?


There's some information although very rudely expressed on this thread on a different forum (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=18462342). The claim seems to be that it's the Sony version of the Godox trigger that has issues with TTL, rather than the flashes themselves.

C



Sep 28, 2017 at 09:37 PM
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Chris Court wrote:
There's some information although very rudely expressed on this thread on a different forum (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=18462342). The claim seems to be that it's the Sony version of the Godox trigger that has issues with TTL, rather than the flashes themselves.

C

it would be great if @Helen Oster could comment on this.

I have their Flashpoint version of the flash and trigger:
(R2 T Flashpoint Trigger and Flashpoint eVOLV 200 R2)
Fred



Sep 29, 2017 at 12:39 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Godox AD200


Love mine, I use with D750s.

Bare-bulb is great in a small(27") octabox for off-camera. The speedlight head works great for a reception hall kicker. In the reception hall I run it at fairly low power, I've gone two full weddings on a charge. Probably could have gone three but didn't want to chance it.

Integration with the X1 remote and the V860 speedlights is excellent. Originally I was using an SB900 in the X1 on the camera shoe. This worked fine but I didn't like the weight and torque on the shoe. I purchased the V860ii and now control all my room lights directly from the speedlight.

I also have an AD600 and have done some nice outdoor two-light stuff with the AD600 as a main light and the AD200 as a fill or kicker. All HSS and controlled from the X1.transmitter.



Sep 29, 2017 at 12:50 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
it would be great if @Helen Oster@ could comment on this.

I have their Flashpoint version of the flash and trigger:
(R2 T Flashpoint Trigger and Flashpoint eVOLV 200 R2)
Fred


I have communicated with Helen about this and they do not want to commit to any more "fix dates" because last time was around May and Godox failed to deliver a fix so it made Adorama look bad too. Basically if you want TTL to work correctly you need to shoot at apertures of F4 or smaller otherwise it will underexpose more and more the larger the aperture.
Last time I checked with Helen, Godox was claiming a fix in a week but Adorama did not want to make this official because they were afraid of Godox failing to deliver yet again...and they indeed failed one more time.
So that is the scope of it..if you use Sony and shoot mostly at apertures larger than F4 then TTL is not a good option if you want good exposure. I guess could do trail an error to determine the amount of underexposure at 1.4 for example, then add that compensation for TTL..but seriously?
I normally shoot manual with my Sekonic 858D but it would be nice to get TTL working in case I need to use it for a fast space environment...not to mention to get what I paid for.



Sep 29, 2017 at 01:27 AM
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GabrielPhoto wrote:
I have communicated with Helen about this and they do not want to commit to any more "fix dates" because last time was around May and Godox failed to deliver a fix so it made Adorama look bad too. Basically if you want TTL to work correctly you need to shoot at apertures of F4 or smaller otherwise it will underexpose more and more the larger the aperture.
Last time I checked with Helen, Godox was claiming a fix in a week but Adorama did not want to make this official because they were afraid of Godox failing to deliver yet
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I noticed that when shooting with my GM 85/1.4 wide open yesterday. TTL gave me very bad underexposure. Thanks for the info, I will be shooting manual until there is an update.
Are we waiting for an update for the flash or trigger? I believe I have v2 for the flash and v14 for the trigger.



Sep 29, 2017 at 01:45 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I noticed that when shooting with my GM 85/1.4 wide open yesterday. TTL gave me very bad underexposure. Thanks for the info, I will be shooting manual until there is an update.
Are we waiting for an update for the flash or trigger? I believe I have v2 for the flash and v14 for the trigger.


From my understanding it is the trigger itself with the issue. At first I thought it was the 600 strobe but then I found out that it was the trigger that has been blamed for this.
When I first got my 600 I had horrible underexposure at 1.4 and thought that it was just running out of power at 1/8000 until I started trying manual and realized that was not the case but just thought that maybe TTL was that bad.
Then now I realize that is is just an issue with the unit itself.

Adorama's note on the product page also indicates that is an R2 unit issue:
"Take Note
Users of the Sony should note that R2 TTL function at apertures wider than f/3.5 is less accurate. Please watch for Flashpoint R2 firmware update"



Sep 29, 2017 at 05:03 AM
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I just picked up my first A200 today, and am waiting for the X1 trigger. Looking forward to trying it out this weekend.



Sep 29, 2017 at 07:04 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
it would be great if @Helen Oster@ could comment on this.

I have their Flashpoint version of the flash and trigger:
(R2 T Flashpoint Trigger and Flashpoint eVOLV 200 R2)
Fred


For any Flashpoint queries, always best to go directly to the specialist tech team: [email protected]




Sep 29, 2017 at 11:58 AM
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Helen Oster wrote:
For any Flashpoint queries, always best to go directly to the specialist tech team: [email protected]



Thanks Helen,
I just sent an email to the tech team.
Best,
Fred



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