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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


I would love to get some thoughts on a quandary I am having with trying to figure the right way to go on an upgrade. Currently most of my picture taking is high school sports, right now I am taking pictures of high school football games, January will start Lacrosse. I am currently shooting a D750 with a Nikon 70-200 2.8. I am wanting to move up to 300mm for some extra reach. I have rented a Nikon 300 2.8 and it was wonderful but I miss the zoom so am thinking on a couple different scenarios to get that same reach.

option 1 is to keep the D750 and get a Sigma 120-300. I have read a lot of great things about this lens so it seems a viable option to get extra reach.

option 2 is pick up a D500 and keep the 70-200 and be at about the same length length because of the crop factor.

The fields I shoot at are really dark anywhere past about the 35 yard line into the end zones so a teleconverter would probably be out and I did actually have a 17E II but didn't care for it much.

I appreciate any thoughts anyone has, there is a lot of good experience in these forums so I am sure someone has already gone through something similar.

thanks!



Sep 25, 2017 at 03:37 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


What's your budget?.. there are some killer deals right now on used Nikon 200-400mm F4VRII's. Hopefully La Puffin jumps in here as I believe she would have some good insight.


Sep 25, 2017 at 03:56 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


I could probably push the budget for a good used 200-400. I was looking at that lens last year but was thinking the F4 wouldn't be fast enough for football on the poorly lit fields around here. Maybe I am thinking that through wrong though. I know with the D750 and 70-200 2.8 I am at the highest ISO just to get to a shutter speed of 1/800. I have to say though, even at that ISO the magic of the D750 comes through and a picture that looks like it was shot through a screen door is totally usable with a little noise reduction for website use.


Sep 25, 2017 at 04:30 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


If you're already at the highest ISO, I wouldn't go to a smaller aperture. OTOH if you think a D750 and a 200-400 would work, you could go with the 120-300 and a D500 and get the better AF and FPS.


Sep 25, 2017 at 04:45 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


I have limited experience with HS sports, but you're shooting in a tough environment. On HS fields, the light can get pretty dim near the end zones. But, in most circumstances, you really want to be shooting end zone scoring from the end zone, not into the end zone. Getting their backs isn't the same photo as catching them in the face as they score. It's a different, but still tricky metering scenario.

I've owned both bodies and both lenses (assuming you mean the 70-200/2.8 G). I'd go for the D500 and 70-200/2.8G combo. If you have the 70-200/2.8E, then without question, the 500 combo.

You get a roughly 105-280mm focal length with the D500/70-200 vs D750/120-300. It sucks to lose 20mm on the long end, but the 15mm gain on the short end is good for non peak action. The D500 combo is going to give you a much better AF system for sports. Also, this combo is easily handhaoldable. Monopods are standard for sport photography but not having to use one gives you so much more mobility and freedom. That's a biggie. Another point - the lacrosse I've shot was during the day. Then you have the option of using a 1.4x TC with the D500 combo and that would be cool for a quarter or half. I haven't used the TC on a 70-200G, only the 70-200E, but I'd bet it'd be OK for most of what you're doing.

The D750/120-300 combo will give you better looking files at high ISO, but if the shot isn't in focus, who cares? Plus you need a monopod and have to live with an opposite direction zoom ring for Nikon shooters. I never got my head around that. Also, I'd only consider the latest 120-300/2.8 OS Sport model which is about $3400, plus you really need the dock for it, at a couple of hundred more. I found the AF to be slow and inaccurate in lowlight with it on a D750 (it is better on a D500).

The 200-400/4 is a cool lens, but it's going to hurt at night at HS fields. If you were carrying two bodies and used it only for midfield, then that's a different case.

I think my best advice is to use the D500/70-200 and know the limitations. Shooting 50 yards away and cropping isn't going to be pretty. But having the mobility to move quickly and concentrate on what's within you range will give you the best results. Get close and fill the frame. If there's midfield stuff, get speedy at popping on a TC and taking it off when the play is outside of the 25-25.

* As a sidenote: When I bought the 120-300, I thought I had the secret weapon. I'd get all of those shots when the people with two bodies (70-200 and a 400) would miss while they were switching. It just doesn't work like that. I'm sure some 120-300 owners will contradict me, but there's a reason the 70-200 and a 400 is the standard field sports combo. You're halfway there with a 70-200 and add in a little more versatility with a crop body for a one camera situation. Move a lot and make your position your asset.



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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


Thank you for all the advise I appreciate it! My only reservation about the D500 was the noise at high ISOs. It seems there is talk for and against but it might not even be that bad so worth a try. I was at the ISO limit on the D750 again last night in a low light field but I am able to save some shots because the D750 is pretty good at low light so if the D500 is close to that I am sold.

thanks again!



Sep 26, 2017 at 01:12 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


I shoot a d800 and sigma 120-300 for youth football and baseball and while there are times I wish it was longer more often I just wish for better AF from my body. For these reasons the D500 would probably be a better fit for you, and they're really reasonable used.


If you want to blow some cash D850. That's what I'm saving for.



Sep 26, 2017 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


had the D4s and have the 120-300/2.8 S including its 1.4xTC. it definitely has worked for me. the D500 and the 70-200 are formidable tools too. I work with both sets.


Sep 26, 2017 at 01:34 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


Just a couple of nitpicks to keep the facts straight. Also, I've never shot HS sports with either of the combos in question, so I have nothing to add other than my math.


la puffin wrote:
...You get a roughly 105-280mm focal length with the D500/70-200 vs D750/120-300. It sucks to lose 20mm on the long end, but the 15mm gain on the short end is good for non peak action.


Huh? 70-200mm gives an equivalent FOV of 105-300mm. 280 would be a 1.4 crop, DX to FX is a 1.5 crop.

la puffin wrote:
...Also, I'd only consider the latest 120-300/2.8 OS Sport model which is about $3400, plus you really need the dock for it, at a couple of hundred more.


Dock is $59 new, $40-50 used.



Sep 26, 2017 at 02:01 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Advise on d750 + Sig 120-300 or d500 & nikon 70-200 2.8


BSPhotog wrote:
Just a couple of nitpicks to keep the facts straight. Also, I've never shot HS sports with either of the combos in question, so I have nothing to add other than my math.


Ooops... thanks.




Sep 26, 2017 at 03:25 PM







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