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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Apparently no pros use Sony, Fujifilm or Olympus (according to Nikon) | |
rscheffler wrote:
In the genres I work in, the pros (photographers working for paying clients), young and old, overwhelmingly shoot DLSRs.
I'm not discounting the abilities of smartphones. In fact, the smartphone camera tech released in the past year and that we'll continue to see refined (multi-camera blended images with bokeh effects, etc.), will get to the point where it will successfully compete with most interchangeable lens, large sensor imagery. Maybe then you'll start to see pros shooting weddings with these instead of 'real' cameras.
At that point, will it matter who has the best mirrorless implementation, most comprehensive lens selection, etc.?
Pros will use whatever tools produce the required results and each person will have biases around equipment preferences. But there seems to be conservative adoption of new technology. After all, why change just for the sake of the tech if the end results are essentially the same. If the old stuff still works and that's what you have and it's paid off, is it worth switching?
Tech for the sake of tech is very much the realm of forums and predominantly amateurs. Yes, many amateurs produce amazing 'pro' level work with this new gear. But they also have the luxury of answering only to themselves and adapting to the quirks of the gear when it doesn't work quite as intentioned.
Speaking for myself, sensor tech is not at the top of the list. It's welcome, but AF, responsiveness, ergonomics, durability/reliability and service support place higher. The sensor only needs to be competitive. And here, my definition of competitive will likely not match that of others. But that's based on what works best for me now. Maybe in a year or two, it'll be a mirrorless system that truly outclasses all DSLRs and in 10 years it might be some kind of multi sensor/lens piece of hardware from which an infinite range of lens characteristics and 'looks' can be emulated in post.
The forums seem to be echo chambers with a degree of self-reinforced perceptions. I could also say the same thing about sports photographers if that was all I did and the only photo crowd I hung out with. That reality is currently quite the contrast from the many here on Alt who have gone mirrorless. Is one right and the other wrong? No, they're each right...
So who cares if pros don't shoot mirrorless (whether fact or fiction). Does that impede our ability to create the kinds of images we desire with the tools we prefer to use?...Show more →
I can't agree with you more
I am very curious how many alt members have been shooting latest DSLR like 5DIV, D810, D5 or 1DXII before give all that up enter Sony or Fuji? The handling, responsive is in a different level.
As much as I appreciate A7RII can offer me lots of thing such as size, weight and 42M IQ with good low light and I like its color as well. However, fundamentally, it is not much of different shooting experience compare to A7R IMHO.
It is always in the way during shooting that no matter AF or MF. I either have to watch aliasing or peaking or hit that magnify button if I am using EVF with manual lens. If I am using AF, I have to change focusing mode constantly to take advantage of EYE AF. if it fail lock, should I switch back to which focus mode: small square or medium square or large one, wide area Auto.
AF-C is simply not there compare to modern DSLR which is most important feature for AF. shooting continually there is no way you know if subject is in focus given the lag of EVF and AF delay play together, Image review only offer 100% and it take few sec to show, scroll around, the lag will drive you crazy. Try D810. I bet 5DIV will be good as well.
All AF lens focus by wire, I hate them. You have no choice to focus at WO and shoot at shooting aperture for some zoom lens. Another bummer. Many cases, I wish it let me choose focus aperture so I can focus WO at hyper-focus point and shoot at f8 or f11 instead of focus and shoot at f8 or f11. I have no way know how camera choose DOF window, is it in front or back within DOF, I have to visually check cross frame, a PITA.
The IS is unpredictable in field, I'd rather exchange it for better DR. I know that 42M back light sensor has poorer DR than A7R because of IS implementation (BSI also have penalty for extra circuits added but D850 prove it can keep up DR even with BSI): floating sensor couldn't get thermal dissipation as good as traditional one.
Dust issue is also way more worse than any DSLR I ever used, I don't need do any clean for years with Nikon but a7R and a7rII have many dust spots with a few lens change already and in body sensor clean couldn't clean it fully.
At the time A7RII first introduced, long exposure has very poor DR (about 1 stop worse than D810) here I am talking about before 30S (doesn't even drop bit yet), after firmware 1.1 update, it start eating star.
And famous lossy compressed raw, for 14 bit file (16k resolution for Canon and Nikon, though Canon couldn't take fully advantage of it), the different value in Sony RAW is less than 2K. If not compressed, about 80M file that take 5~6 sec to write to card.
And continues shooting, or long exposure or silent shutter, drop to 12 bit, IQ degrade. It makes sense from engineer point of view as in those case, the noise may make 14 bit irrelevant but again Nikon prove you don't need do that. You better give them some respect here. (For canon, even with less DR, there is no penalty in those cases compare to regular shooting )
There might be more, I couldn't remember all the problem in field now, and I don't want cover EVF OVF debating here as I feel it might be personal. All above are quirks that either because of some 'innovation' or compromise because of size and feature introduced.
A9 should be a nice camera, but I think it could be a real home run if this one is really a A9R with 14 stop 36/42M sensor 10frame/s without all 12 bit stuff here there, offer ultimate IQ and speed, it will make a lot more impact than now. I really don't see A9 reach that kind of success based on small samplings here in alt forum.
This post has a little bit of tech/gear head involved.
I welcome different opinion and always curious for what are those (have full experience of latest DSLR and decide fully switch to Sony and feel really happy) thinking. I know the size and EVF for some, what else?
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