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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


So I'm going to order an SL2 next credit card cycle. I'm giving my SL1 and 18-55 to my granddaughter, 17, since she enjoyed using it on vacation this summer and now wants it for all her adventures. So my problem is do I get the kit 18-55 f4.. at $150 add on or get the older 18-55 f3.5.. STM for about $100. I also have the 15-85 which I like much better than the 18s but I thought too heavy for the SL1. Will it be more ergonomic on the SL2. I've also thought about getting the 24 f2.8 IS to stand in between the 10-18 and 55-250 as a light weight kit. What to do? First world problem, I know. Oh, I also have the 35 f2.8 macro which is still being evaluated and the 60 macro.

What would you do?



Sep 16, 2017 at 12:52 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


The 18-55 f4 is a bit smaller and lighter than the f3.5 I believe, in keeping with the SL2 ethos.

If you're getting a SL2, did you already rule out the 24 f2.8 pancake?



Sep 16, 2017 at 01:52 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


Yes, I have the 24 pancake - which is why I don't already have the 24 IS, but I like IS.


Sep 16, 2017 at 02:09 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


Why not go for broke and grab a Sigma 30/1.4 | A?




Sep 16, 2017 at 02:12 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


I have the 15-85 with mine. No regrets. Gives me 24mm-135mm equivalent for scenics etc. Great walk around camera. No Arca plate as I only plan to use it hand held. Took it on an all day hike and did not notice it using the standard canon strap not a wide one like I use on my 5d4. The digital picture rates the lens very high.


Sep 16, 2017 at 02:15 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


I use a 15-85 with mine, even the 100-400mm MK II. The size of the lens doesn't seem to be as much of a issue as the size of the grip. With larger lenses, I hold the lens more than the camera. I have a 50mm 2.5 Macro that is a nice lens for it as well. I've been considering a Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8, but have not been able to overcome my aversion to Sigma lenses.


Sep 16, 2017 at 03:07 AM
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pshyvers wrote:
The 18-55 f4 is a bit smaller and lighter than the f3.5 I believe, in keeping with the SL2 ethos.

If you're getting a SL2, did you already rule out the 24 f2.8 pancake?


The "old" 18-55 3.5-5.6 IS STM is so tiny and light already I can't tell it's on my camera! If any lighter it would drift off into outer space...

I used the 15-85 USM on my SL1 a few times and it felt really front heavy, especially with only 3 fingers on the small grip surface. Most of the time I use the EF 24 2.8 IS USM as a bar/casino/dinner lens on the SL2. The IS feature really trumps the pancake variant for me as I can get shaky after a few brews and belly o' food.




Sep 16, 2017 at 03:24 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


Buy the SL2 with the f4 kit lens (which I have and rather like) then test it against your current kit lens and keep the sharper one


Sep 16, 2017 at 05:45 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


dhphoto wrote:
Buy the SL2 with the f4 kit lens (which I have and rather like) then test it against your current kit lens and keep the sharper one


That's sounds like a good idea.



Sep 16, 2017 at 03:35 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


Thanks for the input everyone. My SL1 gets two main uses, as my wife's camera for air travel with 18-55 + 55-250, and as a dayhike reach body for me with the 55-250 and G1X. I've never been a real fan of the 18-55 kit lenses especially since I already had the 15-85 USM. My hope is that the SL2 will be just enough larger and with a better grip that the 15-85 can be its kit lens. Video with USM AF should be better with the SL2 like it is with the 80D.

I also have the 10-18, 24 pancake, 35 and 60 macros. The primes are far better than the kit lenses. The 24 and 35 together weigh a tiny bit more than the 18-55. Like Peter (Gochugogi), I like IS and so was thinking of the 24 f2.8 IS as the standard lens for the SL2. However, its almost the price of the camera and I already have the 16-35 f4 IS, 35 f2 IS, and 24 TSE II when weight is not an issue, so its hard to justify another 24.

The SL kit is all about light weight so probably David (DHPhoto) is correct. Get the kit lens, keep my options open, and see what works best. Thanks for helping me think this through.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


Yes, the 24 2.8 IS USM is pricey at $550. I bought a refurb during a CanonDirect sale so you can save a couple Benjamins if you're not in a hurry. It was a lens I really didn't need but seem to use it all the time...


Sep 16, 2017 at 05:25 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


Thanks Peter. I've been thinking about the 24 IS for several years now, wondering if I'd make enough use of it. I really like the 35 f2 IS but tend to only use it for shallow DOF applications.

Along the same lines, I see the older 18-55 STM is available refurbished from Amazon and according to its specs has a bit better close focus. Its cheaper than adding the new kit by almost a Ulysses. Since neither are any great shakes perhaps I should just get the SL2 body for now and procrastinate on the lens decision. That'd save me three Ulysses or a Benjamin and a half.



Sep 16, 2017 at 06:06 PM
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
Thanks Peter. I've been thinking about the 24 IS for several years now, wondering if I'd make enough use of it. I really like the 35 f2 IS but tend to only use it for shallow DOF applications.

Along the same lines, I see the older 18-55 STM is available refurbished from Amazon and according to its specs has a bit better close focus. Its cheaper than adding the new kit by almost a Ulysses. Since neither are any great shakes perhaps I should just get the SL2 body for now and procrastinate on the lens decision. That'd save
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I would do that. If you have a employee discount plan available to you, I received a small discount thru the Canon EPP, so it cost $511. I found a 15-85 locally for $250, and the 50mm f/2.5 Macro for $100.



Sep 18, 2017 at 12:30 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


scalesusa wrote:
...and the 50mm f/2.5 Macro for $100.


Nice find!



Sep 18, 2017 at 01:05 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


I bought the SL2 body only and then bought the EF-S 18-55mm f/4.0-5.6 kit lens new from a Hong Kong reseller off ebay for $87 shipped to my door in about one week. It saved me about $63 over buying the kit. I like the smaller size of this new lens over the f/3.5 version as it seems to compliment the small size of the SL2 better. I bought it mainly to do video but to my surprise it is a quite capable stills lens. It isn't a low light lens but the f/4.0 has not been an issue for me, but it has good IS and overall IQ. I think this new lens would be a good option and it will allow you to take decent video if you ever need to do so. I am posting a link to a photo I took recently with this lens to give an indication of its capabilities. The shot is hand held using live view and the touch shutter option.

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Sep 18, 2017 at 03:27 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


I'd buy the SL2 + EF-S 18-55/4-5.6 IS STM.

Two weeks ago, I picked up a new SL2 (body only), which I had shipped to Utah from B&H. The price was within my duty/tax-free allowance when returning home, and so - bonus!

Normally, I will use the SL2 with the EF-S 10-18 IS STM, 18-55/3.5-5.6 IS STM, 55-250 IS STM, and 24/2.8 STM (and EF 40/2.8 STM), which I have been using with a SL1 for a light travel kit. OTOH, for the past two weeks in Utah, I've had the SL2 + 100-400L IS II slung over my back, while taking photos with a 6D + whatever, just in case something interesting happened to come by. The SL2 is a much better-handling camera than the SL1 (mostly, in terms of the utility of the grip), and so I'll probably migrate towards a 2x SL2 kit for light travel, to replace the SL1 + X-E2 kit that I've been using for about five years.

After going through three copies of the EF-S 18-55/3.5-5.6 IS STM, two copies of the EF-S 10-18 IS STM, and a single 55-250 IS STM, I now have a set of EF-S zooms that performs better on the SL1/SL2 than the equivalent EF-M zooms (on M3/M5), and Fuji XF zooms (on X-E2).



Sep 19, 2017 at 03:34 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


jcolwell wrote:
I'd buy the SL2 + EF-S 18-55/4-5.6 IS STM.


Fortunately that seems to be the standard kit in my country (extra cost for the lens is 80 euro, just 10 euros more than for the kit with the old 18-55 DC III). I will likely buy that combo instead of my current 80D (already have the 10-18 and 55-250STM).



Sep 19, 2017 at 04:02 PM
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I already had an 18-135 and I bought an 18-55 4-5.6. The latter is lighter and good for indoors. I use the 18-135 when I go for a walk in my seacoast city. This whole arrangement is better for me than the M5 and lenses I own. I have never become comfortable with M ergonomics.and I am irritated with battery depletion if you forget to turn it off between pictures. The design of the M does not fit the EOS model IMO. Canon has not come out with a fix with this batttery depletion irritant. As a twenty nine year EOS user I am more comfortable with the SL2.


Sep 19, 2017 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


Thanks for the new info! My quandary really is between the f4 and older f3.5 18-55s. The new one is smaller but within a fraction of an oz of the older. I saw a YouTube comparison of the two which showed that the newer was a tiny bit sharper but had dramatically less close focus ability. That and about $40 USD cheaper for the old refurbished vs the new lens as kit with camera.

I currently have the f3.5 with my SL1 which will go to my granddaughter. She likes to photograph flowers so the closer focus will benefit her. Jim, I'm encouraged that you could comfortably use the 100-400 with the SL2. I'm hoping that the SL2 will work ergonomically with the 15-85 well enough that my wife would travel with it. And I recently purchased the Sigma 100-400 which weights just over 2.5 lbs and I'm hopeful that it will be useable on the SL2 as well. I'm pretty happy with the Sigma so far and may have arguments with myself choosing it vs the Canon 100-400 II for travel.

My current thinking is to get the SL2 body only and maybe add a refurbished 3.5-5.6 18-55 STM if my wife prefers that. I'll probably stick to the 10-18, 24, 35, and 55-250 STMs for my own use. The 15-85 and 100-400 make a good two lens kit on the 80D, maybe SL2?

Thanks for the help!



Sep 19, 2017 at 04:33 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Help with SL2 lens quandry


DAphoto77 wrote:
... As a twenty nine year EOS user I am more comfortable with the SL2.


I'll use the P&S style of shooting when I have to but I too prefer a real glass SLR viewfinder. I've never warmed to the digital viewfinders in the mirrorless but like the flippy LCDs for odd angle or tripod use.



Sep 19, 2017 at 04:44 PM
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