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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


Brass mountings? Better glass?

I currently have a Zeiss T* 82 mm CPL. Will I gain anything by "upgrading"?



Sep 07, 2017 at 12:46 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


I don't know. do you really see a reason to change.
- does the Zeiss use the more recent foils (high light transmission) that let more light through and nicer to shoot with?
- does the Zeiss have 16 layers of coating with the outermost being hydrophobic?
- does the Zeiss have a brass alloy frame that is easier to manipulate bare handed or gloved?

if it does then no
if not then the BT might be worth looking into if you find something really lacking in using what you have

opinions vary.



Sep 07, 2017 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


sjms wrote:
I don't know. do you really see a reason to change.
- does the Zeiss use the more recent foils (high light transmission) that let more light through and nicer to shoot with?
- does the Zeiss have 16 layers of coating with the outermost being hydrophobic?
- does the Zeiss have a brass frame that is easier to manipulate bare handed or gloved?

if it does then no
if not then the BT might be worth looking into if you find something really lacking in using what you have


Hi sjms,

I am thinking of getting a second CPL so I do not have to keep switching back and forth (between people as well as lenses).

The Zeiss is color neutral, has beautiful rendering, but ...

It's frame is aluminum and not brass. It is indeed a bit of a PIA to manipulate especially with a lens hood on, though it seems to me that this might be more due to the very thin frame rather than the material? Don't know about the more recent foils or number of coatings.



Sep 07, 2017 at 01:29 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


BT started out making ND filters. they are the best in color neutrality that I have found. I use the 3, 6 and 10 stop as needed/wanted. I just got 2 of their 100x150 GNDs to replace my originals.

their CPL is color is as neutral as it gets

their "breakthrough" is making a filter that just does what its supposed to without side effects.



Sep 07, 2017 at 01:37 PM
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sjms wrote:
BT started out making ND filters. they are the best in color neutrality that I have found. I use the 3, 6 and 10 stop as needed/wanted. I just got 2 of their 100x150 GNDs to replace my originals.

their CPL is color is as neutral as it gets

their "breakthrough" is making a filter that just does what its supposed to without side effects.


Just to clarify, the "side effects" here meaning color cast? I think that is one of the things that the Zeiss filters do (and have long done) right? Are there any other "breakthroughs"?

BT claims to be the "WORLD’S SHARPEST & MOST COLOR NEUTRAL CPL FILTER. GUARANTEED."

Has this actually been verified/test by anyone at all, including BT?

I guess a see a lot of hype, both from BT, as well as the few people who have actually bought the filters and frequent forums. But the former can be attributed to marketing, while the latter can be attributed to successful marketing! And nowhere have I seen tests or technical reviews that specifically address the "world's sharpest etc. etc.". TBH, I am not so concerned about color neutrality --- with my landscapes, I always white balance or adjust colors in post anyway.



Sep 08, 2017 at 01:40 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


simply buy it. you have, they say, 300 days to return it if not satisfied. they feel they have the product and will simply accept it back if you disagree. you only lose the return cost. and what is what $5

I am concerned with all aspects of use of any tool I use. I try to minimize the need to post fix as much as I can due to external "inputs". for me they proved that they do the job with their ND filters which so may have failed to control.

if you have no concerns with your current tools then as they say: move on, nothing to see here.




Sep 08, 2017 at 02:17 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


remember, judgement, in the end has always shown to be objectively subjective.


Sep 08, 2017 at 02:31 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


sjms wrote:
remember, judgement, in the end has always shown to be objectively subjective.


True, but when that subjective judgement is communicated to others as fact ("world's sharpest etc etc"), then it is reasonable to expect that the judgement is general, enough even if not entirely objective, to be shared/accepted by others!



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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


to each end the originator either gains or loses by it.

you really expect way too much from people

look at the WWW



Sep 08, 2017 at 02:49 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


sounds like trolling.....


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


sjms forgot: 25 yr guarantee

1% donations & 5% donations



Sep 14, 2017 at 12:06 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


So what? I am tired of making gear suppliers very rich...


Sep 14, 2017 at 01:34 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


jeetsukumaran wrote:
BT claims to be the "WORLD’S SHARPEST & MOST COLOR NEUTRAL CPL FILTER. GUARANTEED."

Has this actually been verified/test by anyone at all, including BT?


A couple years ago a member here compared no filter against three UV filters: Hoya HD2, Zeiss and Breakthrough. While it's not their CPL, it might provide some reference for image quality.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1369287/0

In your case, since you already have a Zeiss CPL, and assuming you're happy with it, if you're thinking of adding other sizes, I'd stick with Zeiss to maintain consistency in the event there is minor but noticeable color differences between various brands. Just one less thing to have to deal with in post, IMO.



Sep 14, 2017 at 02:03 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


I first started out with Singh-Ray filters (I have the 5/10 stop ND, and a couple Grads). I then purchased some ND filters from BT and found them to have noticeably less color cast, and less vignetting on my WA lens, however that may be due to the fact that the BT ND filters are the screw on.

Their customer service also is top notch.



Sep 14, 2017 at 03:00 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


the tint is not a biggie in the days of post- processing - is it?


Sep 14, 2017 at 07:49 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


runamuck wrote:
So what? I am tired of making gear suppliers very rich....


if you are tired then don't buy, don't get involved and just plain don't.



Sep 14, 2017 at 07:59 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


rw11 wrote:
the tint is not a biggie in the days of post- processing - is it?


Was this directed to my input? If so, nope not at all, just an observation I made between Singh-Ray and BT.



Sep 14, 2017 at 08:09 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


R.H. Johnson wrote:
sounds like trolling.....


Was this comment directed at me or my question?



Sep 15, 2017 at 02:44 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · So, What's the Breakthrough with Breakthrough Filters?


Thanks to all of those who contributed their opinions, especially in a way that increases the signal to noise ratio of this thread, forum, and life in general --- your entropy has not been wasted!

I have gone ahead and ordered the BT filter. Have not had a chance to try it out "in anger" yet, or compare against the Zeiss. Will report back here when I have.



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