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matejphoto wrote:
The easiest way to tell if there is a video out there with the lens off camera and someone turns the focusing ring. If the focus distance moves, it is not focusing by wire. But I not sure if such video is available.


This really is all we're waiting for. So far I've only seen news/reviews sites parroting Canon's press release, and Canon's own videos don't address the question.

And I'll reiterate that I don't expect the 85/1.4L IS to focus by wire: my concern is simply that it cannot yet be proven not to be.



Aug 30, 2017 at 01:34 PM
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It's 2017 and this is a top prime for them. It's not focus by wire.


Aug 30, 2017 at 02:04 PM
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AJSJones wrote:
Looks like TS-E lens clamp might be a little better value...

alundeb wrote:
You mean more lenses worth using on it ?
Indeed - the camera-side geometry of all the II series TS-E lenses look like they are the same so it becomes less of a "niche" product. Peter's experience, however, suggests that it is finicky at best even though Keith felt it was well-made and useful. I'll be waiting for reports on the lenses and the performance at the edges of the bigger image circle - before jumping on them and considering the clamp. There are, however, situations where the parallax issue can't be addressed by software stitchers, but translation rails are cheap if kludgey



Aug 30, 2017 at 03:14 PM
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Can't imagine anyone is going to want to use f45 very often. The whole point to T/S is to control DOF without having to resort to somethinig like that.



Aug 30, 2017 at 03:25 PM
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Tilt at an aperture suitable for sensor resolution combined with focus stacking is probably the way to go? Assuming multiple image capture is an option for the subject.

As for price of the 85... seems Canon can't win. I shared the thoughts of an earlier poster who wondered what corners Canon might have cut to hit a 'low' price of $1600 US. Reading the lens designer/engineer/developer interview on the Japanese site has somewhat alleviated this concern. And the images look acceptable.



Aug 30, 2017 at 04:17 PM
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Every time you tilt or swing a lens, the film or sensor is seeing an off axis image from that lens that is often of lesser quality than a dead center on axis image. Most of the time, if you're going to focus stack, you might as well just leave it straight to begin with as the stacking is going to take care of your focus, not to mention that tilting or swinging the lens doesn't actually change depth of field at all, only the plane of focus.


Aug 30, 2017 at 04:34 PM
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Good points!


Aug 30, 2017 at 04:41 PM
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Peter Figen wrote:
Every time you tilt or swing a lens, the film or sensor is seeing an off axis image from that lens that is often of lesser quality than a dead center on axis image. Most of the time, if you're going to focus stack, you might as well just leave it straight to begin with as the stacking is going to take care of your focus, not to mention that tilting or swinging the lens doesn't actually change depth of field at all, only the plane of focus.


That's why it would be nice to see the MTF plots go out to ~30 mm for an image circle of ~60. We will await some testing (perhaps Roger and Aaron will be able to go out that far)



Aug 30, 2017 at 05:10 PM
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Peter Figen wrote:
Every time you tilt or swing a lens, the film or sensor is seeing an off axis image from that lens that is often of lesser quality than a dead center on axis image. Most of the time, if you're going to focus stack, you might as well just leave it straight to begin with as the stacking is going to take care of your focus, not to mention that tilting or swinging the lens doesn't actually change depth of field at all, only the plane of focus.


I'm 'shifting' away from shift-panos, towards nodal-point rotation panos, because you get to use the best parts of the lens. For example, my 25/2 ZE is consistently a little better at the edges than my un-shifted TS-E 24/3.5L II, and the 25/2 is a lot better than the 24/3.5L II as you shift the TS-E away from centre. So, I use shift when I want to control perspective, but not so much for panos.



Aug 30, 2017 at 06:07 PM
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Hmmm... I just added the new Canon lenses to Lens$db, and the EF 85/1.4L IS is actually larger than the EF 85/1.2L (I & II). Different shape, though. The new 85mm lens is 21mm longer and 5mm slimmer; resulting in a larger volume for the new lens (~620cm3 vs. 550 cm3).

P.S. there's at least one error in the 'Canon datasheet' information for the TS-E 90mm lens, as posted in the new DPReview article.



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bokeh looks buttery

http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/index.html



Aug 30, 2017 at 09:43 PM
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join now! (for those who pre-ordered)
https://www.flickr.com/groups/canon85mm14is/pool/



Aug 31, 2017 at 01:06 AM
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If the 85 AF is better than the current L II then I'm in.


Aug 31, 2017 at 04:25 AM
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Bruce Sawle wrote:
bokeh looks buttery

http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/index.html


Bokeh looks smooth at close distance. Are there any samples at mid-distance?



Aug 31, 2017 at 04:30 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Bokeh looks smooth at close distance. Are there any samples at mid-distance?




Here are a few more at verying distances. Looks promising at all distances.

http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/impression.html



Aug 31, 2017 at 07:20 AM
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Looks like Canon designed this to be a 85 Art killer by pricing it close enough to the 85 Art and giving it IS, a competitive advantage. Looks to have simialar 2ndary color correction as the Art. I guess they chose keeping the price close vs. using special low dispersion glass elements like they did on new 35L to make it APO like the Otus 85.
We will see soon how sharp this lens is vs. 85 Art.



Aug 31, 2017 at 07:43 AM
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joosay wrote:
If the 85 AF is better than the current L II then I'm in.


I think it will be better.



Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM
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joosay wrote:
If the 85 AF is better than the current L II then I'm in.


Better or quicker. Quicker for sure. I don't have any issues regarding AF with my 85 II.



Aug 31, 2017 at 11:33 AM
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joosay wrote:
If the 85 AF is better than the current L II then I'm in.

mogud wrote:
Better or quicker. Quicker for sure. I don't have any issues regarding AF with my 85 II.


Quicker. My MK II is accurate, too.



Aug 31, 2017 at 12:19 PM
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Bruce Sawle wrote:
Here are a few more at verying distances. Looks promising at all distances.

http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/impression.html


Thanks. I really like the rendering at all distances. It's hard to detect LoCA with the small samples but I am expecting it to be very well controlled, especially compared to the 85/1.2L II.
It looks like an amazing 85mm lens! I am currently shooting with a 85/1.4 GM (Which also has gorgeous rendering for portraits) on a Sony body but will probably compare both lenses side by side.



Aug 31, 2017 at 02:24 PM
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