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Official: Canon EF 85/1.4L IS, TS-E 50/2.8, 90/2.8L &...
  
 
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jamesrraj wrote:
A sample shot from Flickr, shot @ f/1.4 :

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4380/36080797903_2e8c98dcf7_h.jpg


Here's the sample gallery link with full res files available



Aug 29, 2017 at 09:43 PM
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A new TS-E site http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/special/ts-e/index.html

50 TS-E MTF chart http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/ts-e/ts-e50-f28l/spec.html
The 90 l http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/ts-e/ts-e90-f28l/spec.html
The 135 http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/ts-e/ts-e135-f4l/spec.html



Looks like TS-E lens clamp might be a little better value...



Aug 29, 2017 at 11:32 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
There is no mention of that yet but I very much doubt it's focus by wire.


Guaranteed it'll be a typically fast-focussing USM lens - like the 85 f1.8 or 135 f2L.



Aug 30, 2017 at 01:24 AM
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That 135 MTF tho

AJSJones wrote:
A new TS-E site http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/special/ts-e/index.html

50 TS-E MTF chart http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/ts-e/ts-e50-f28l/spec.html
The 90 l http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/ts-e/ts-e90-f28l/spec.html
The 135 http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/ts-e/ts-e135-f4l/spec.html

http://www.fototime.com/6FE256236ADF41C/orig.jpg

Looks like TS-E lens clamp might be a little better value...




Aug 30, 2017 at 03:16 AM
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I'm a Sony guy now but man, those TSEs are very tempting. I love using both the 17 and 24 (adapted) for architecture and landscapes. The new 50 and 135 could provide a lot of creative possibilities. Nice job Canon!


Aug 30, 2017 at 03:31 AM
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Engineers talk here. With Google translation you can make sense of most.

http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/interview.html



Aug 30, 2017 at 03:33 AM
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http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/interview.html

Inner focus and ring USM (ultrasonic motor) adopted. With a high-speed CPU and an optimized AF algorithm, we realize high speed and high precision AF and do not miss the shutter opportunity.

It's been nearly 30 years since I've regularly shot weddings / portraits / fashion. This lens almost makes me think about working with people again ... well, almost.



Aug 30, 2017 at 03:48 AM
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SoftImage wrote:
Engineers talk here. With Google translation you can make sense of most.

http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/interview.html


An interesting read.

Here's a tidbit: the 85's IS module is similar in size and mass to the one in the 400/2.8 IS II. The focusing group also isn't all that small (three element group of moderate size).













From left to right: IS modules of the 35/2 IS, 100/2.8 IS macro, 85/1.4L IS and 400/2.8L IS II.

Focusing group in brackets to left of aperture:







In comparison, the massive optics of the 85/1.2L:







Note that its focusing group is made up of all elements except the last one, which is fixed.



Aug 30, 2017 at 04:49 AM
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More sample images added to the Canon Japan 85/1.4L IS site: http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/info/ef85-f14-usm/impression.html

The strongly backlit one of the girl lying by the window has some green fringing. I also have somewhat mixed feelings about background rendering character at farther subject distances with less relative subject-background separation. But I will still get it for the faster AF and IS. These practical benefits IMO outweigh rendering characteristics, to a degree.



Aug 30, 2017 at 05:37 AM
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AJSJones wrote:

Looks like TS-E lens clamp might be a little better value...


You mean more lenses worth using on it ?

Those MTF charts are so good that we can forget them. No sign of any problems.

The TS-E 135 minimum aperture is f/45. Very useful for macro and other seriously DOF challenged applications. Of course diffraction will take it's toll, but sometimes the trade-off is worth it.



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"The TS-E 135 minimum aperture is f/45. Very useful for macro and other seriously DOF challenged applications. Of course diffraction will take it's toll, but sometimes the trade-off is worth it."

Have you ever shot at f/45 and seen just how bad it all looks, and remember that at closest focus distance it's going to be closer to f/64. At true macro sized image anything smaller than an indicated f/11 turns to oatmeal. Now, if you're only going to reproduce at business card sizes, none of that will matter, will it.



Aug 30, 2017 at 07:33 AM
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And as far as that T/S-E lens clamp is concerned I've had that for several years now and it's such a pain in the ass to actually use that I never bother, plus it mars the crap out of your lens just from sliding on and off. Probably the worst $650 I've spent in a long time.


Aug 30, 2017 at 07:35 AM
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Hard to judge from the sample photos but to me the new Canon seems to render more towards clinical perfection, like the Sigma ART. There´s a reason to keep the 85 mm f1,2 in the line-up. At the moment I have both the Sigma and the f1,2 and much as I was blown away by the perfection of the Sigma at first, I seem to come back to the f1,2 more and more. I thought the new Canon f1,4 would solve my dilema but maybe not..


Aug 30, 2017 at 07:41 AM
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Peter Figen wrote:
"The TS-E 135 minimum aperture is f/45. Very useful for macro and other seriously DOF challenged applications. Of course diffraction will take it's toll, but sometimes the trade-off is worth it."

Have you ever shot at f/45 and seen just how bad it all looks, and remember that at closest focus distance it's going to be closer to f/64. At true macro sized image anything smaller than an indicated f/11 turns to oatmeal. Now, if you're only going to reproduce at business card sizes, none of that will matter, will it.


f/45 on a FF sensor yields 3-4 MP effective resolution.

I often use f/22 on my 5DS R. it does look soft but nobody notices after processing for online presentation.



Aug 30, 2017 at 07:49 AM
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You guys are saying the price is good on the 85 and I'm thinking it's a prime that's $1600. I'll still end up with it but I think the price is a bit rich.


Aug 30, 2017 at 11:33 AM
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johnctharp wrote:
I doubt it too, but the listings showing 'full-time manual focus' don't eliminate the possibility.


Canon says that for all its USM lenses, for example: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/lenses/ef/ultra-wide-zoom/ef-16-35mm-f-2-8-iii-l-usm and this lens is not focus by wire.



Aug 30, 2017 at 11:35 AM
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RobertLynn wrote:
You guys are saying the price is good on the 85 and I'm thinking it's a prime that's $1600. I'll still end up with it but I think the price is a bit rich.


Yeah, the 50 mm 1.8 II is only $125, and that is also a prime, not much slower. So, yes, a $1600 is a bit rich for a prime.



Aug 30, 2017 at 11:40 AM
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RobertLynn wrote:
You guys are saying the price is good on the 85 and I'm thinking it's a prime that's $1600. I'll still end up with it but I think the price is a bit rich.


Yup, that's a chunk for a prime that will leave some sure to pass on it. I was having a bit of trouble contemplating the Sigma 85/1.4 $$$. If they had stayed south of $1500, I'd just say it was a little more than the Sigma. North of $1500 and it becomes light of a (mentally) $2000 category prime.

For someone in certain genre / business ... the IS will be money well spent. It seems like it wasn't so long ago that was the kind of money you'd spend to get top shelf Leica, Zeiss or Voigtlander MF prime glass. I guess the line in the sand has been moved. I mean, over a $1,000 for Sigma prime, and $4,000 for a Zeiss. Becomes a bit relative in certain regard in that context.

For general use, it seems kinda tall, but the combination of IS & f/1.4 will be rather powerful. Whether that allows you to stay out of the upward ISO's, or whether it lets you shoot the dark side of the moon in conjunction with the upward ISO's ... you'll have expanded command of SS, aperture and ISO options that I figure the pragmatic usefulness of the lens will become "dead cold hands" territory for many of those who need it.






Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM
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dgpfotografia wrote:
Canon says that for all its USM lenses, for example: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/lenses/ef/ultra-wide-zoom/ef-16-35mm-f-2-8-iii-l-usm and this lens is not focus by wire.


This exceedingly poor argument is what I'm pointing out!

The 85/1.2L II also shows AF with full-time manual. And it is focus by wire.

Which means that Canon doesn't differentiate between the two very well if at all, and thus the question as to whether the 85/1.4L IS is focus by wire remains valid until further evidence that can make a determination is presented.



Aug 30, 2017 at 12:23 PM
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johnctharp wrote:
This exceedingly poor argument is what I'm pointing out!

The 85/1.2L II also shows AF with full-time manual. And it is focus by wire.

Which means that Canon doesn't differentiate between the two very well if at all, and thus the question as to whether the 85/1.4L IS is focus by wire remains valid until further evidence that can make a determination is presented.


The easiest way to tell if there is a video out there with the lens off camera and someone turns the focusing ring. If the focus distance moves, it is not focusing by wire. But I not sure if such video is available.



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