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p.18 #1 · p.18 #1 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I have Breakthrough 77mm now I use good gaffers tape on the edges for the 12-24. I can get 17 on the CPL and 15 on the ND

I did just buy the Llowa 15 F2 which takes 72 so I can use a stop down for it



Sep 24, 2017 at 03:10 AM
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p.18 #2 · p.18 #2 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Guy woot on your new Laowa 15. Looking forward to your views.
I think I'll do a filter mod for my 12-24 but after spare hoods are available for my Dremel.



Sep 24, 2017 at 03:12 AM
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p.18 #3 · p.18 #3 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Luvwine wrote:
You can use filters on the 12-24--either the 150mm filter system (Nisi holder) or the 77mm filter trick for 14 or 15mm and longer focal lengths.



You are correct, of course. I'd forgotten about those, since I'd decided the 12-24 wasn't for me.



Sep 24, 2017 at 02:45 PM
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p.18 #4 · p.18 #4 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


is the 16-35 really that bad at 24-35? I am trying to decide on either of these or the Batis 18 for event work (photo and video) but am leaning towards a zoom for pure convenience.


Sep 25, 2017 at 08:03 PM
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p.18 #5 · p.18 #5 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


3catsinky wrote:
is the 16-35 really that bad at 24-35? I am trying to decide on either of these or the Batis 18 for event work (photo and video) but am leaning towards a zoom for pure convenience.


Nope - not at all. In fact, it is outstanding.... If you took the 16-35mm GM out shooting for a day and looked at all your shots in that range, I would imagine you would be super happy. If you based it off of test charts alone, it may perform slightly less than other top tier primes. I can tell you that the GM is quite a bit sharper than my 16-35mm f/4 was in that longer range. The GM also has decent bokeh for a WA zoom.... It really is an incredible lens and I highly recommend you give it a try.



Sep 25, 2017 at 08:15 PM
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p.18 #6 · p.18 #6 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


The 16-35 GM is an outstanding zoom. Certainly better than the Sony 16-35 f4 which I also had. All I can say is that my 24-70 GM was better than the 16-35 GM from 24-35 and I couldn't see paying $2200.00 for the 16-24 range. Maybe the zoom is for you. I decided the Batis 18mm was for me.


Sep 25, 2017 at 09:45 PM
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p.18 #7 · p.18 #7 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


garyroach wrote:
The 16-35 GM is an outstanding zoom. Certainly better than the Sony 16-35 f4 which I also had. All I can say is that my 24-70 GM was better than the 16-35 GM from 24-35 and I couldn't see paying $2200.00 for the 16-24 range. Maybe the zoom is for you. I decided the Batis 18mm was for me.


Yeah, the 24-70mm GM certainly changes things a bit. I will also need to give that lens a shot sometime....



Sep 26, 2017 at 03:11 AM
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p.18 #8 · p.18 #8 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


In many ways the 12-24 would have been a more natural choice for me as my 24-70GM is just excellent from 24-60mm but I like to work with 2 bodies and 2 lenses for landscape work and I find the combo of the 16-35 and 70-300 to be just ideal for this and a gap of 24-70mm just wouldn't work for me in this area. If I shot landscape with 3 lenses I would have chosen the 12-23, 24-70 and 70-300 but this really is just to heavy and cumbersome a combination. Yesterday we did a hike it the Dolomites with a near to 500 metre rise in elevation in a pretty short distance and I found carrying the 16-35 and 70-300 with 2 bodies not to really be an issue (my legs and lungs did struggle a little!!)


Sep 26, 2017 at 07:30 AM
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p.18 #9 · p.18 #9 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


if I had the zoom, could I conceivably let go of my 35F1.4?


Sep 26, 2017 at 02:09 PM
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p.18 #10 · p.18 #10 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


3catsinky wrote:
if I had the zoom, could I conceivably let go of my 35F1.4?


I suppose it really depends on how often you use that focal length and how often you shoot in low light. For my needs, I opted for the 55/1.8 as a low light option to go along with the 16-35mm GM.



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p.18 #11 · p.18 #11 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Anyone using two bodies , I highly recommend the A6500 and the A9 with 16-35GM and the 24-70Gm. That gives you 16-105 of GM range. Throw in the 70-300G and you have great quality from 16-450, with the two bodies*.



Sep 26, 2017 at 06:40 PM
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Jacknut16 wrote:
Anyone using two bodies , I highly recommend the A6500 and the A9 with 16-35GM and the 24-70Gm. That gives you 16-105 of GM range. Throw in the 70-300G and you have great quality from 16-450, with the two bodies*.


Well 12-24G + 24-70GM + 70-300G gives you "great quality" from 12-450



Sep 26, 2017 at 08:39 PM
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p.18 #13 · p.18 #13 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


lbell wrote:
Well 12-24G + 24-70GM + 70-300G gives you "great quality" from 12-450


With a little bit more lens swapping action..



Sep 26, 2017 at 09:02 PM
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p.18 #14 · p.18 #14 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


3catsinky wrote:
if I had the zoom, could I conceivably let go of my 35F1.4?


i guess I'll find out this weekend, the 16-35 has been ordered.



Sep 26, 2017 at 09:47 PM
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p.18 #15 · p.18 #15 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Well I came a little late to the party on this one however I picked up a Sony 12-24 a couple of days ago and I have been actively testing it against the Zeiss 15 ZE and the Leica Tri-Elmar 16-18-21. I purchased the Sony specifically to replace my current VM12 which although I like I was never overly happy with the corner sharpness of that lens.

The Zeiss 15 ZE has always been my go to ultra-wide when I was shooting Canon but I never used it much on the Sony, it was a great lens on the Canon mount but when I tested it yesterday I was surprised by the lack of corner sharpness in my test samples when compared to the other two lenses, I re-tested it using another metabones adapter which improved it significantly but given how good the Sony and the Leica is it looks like the Zeiss will be going on the Buy & Sell pretty soon.

The Sony is really quite a phenomenal lens, my copy is very well centred and sharp, I guess two areas where it could be improved is in the flare department, circular flair is pretty easy to induce if you aren't carefull, I was also a bit surprised at the level of contrast when compared to the Leica and the Zeiss, the Sony is definately less contrasty but not a big deal I can deal with it in post.

I think I'm set on the ultra-wide end of things for quite a while now.



Sep 26, 2017 at 10:33 PM
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MIRANDA1 wrote:
The Zeiss 15 ZE has always been my go to ultra-wide when I was shooting Canon but I never used it much on the Sony, it was a great lens on the Canon mount but when I tested it yesterday I was surprised by the lack of corner sharpness in my test samples when compared to the other two lenses, I re-tested it using another metabones adapter which improved it significantly but given how good the Sony and the Leica is it looks like the Zeiss will be going on the Buy & Sell pretty soon.

If you want to keep the Zeiss, try a Sigma adapter. I was also disappointed in the Zeiss 15mm's quality downgrade on the Sony with a Metabones IV, but I tried a Sigma and now I can't see any difference from the Canon. Sounds like adapters vary individually, since Fred commented that neither brand's results were on par with the Canon, but apparently I have a good Sigma.




Sep 26, 2017 at 11:15 PM
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DannyBurkPhoto wrote:
If you want to keep the Zeiss, try a Sigma adapter. I was also disappointed in the Zeiss 15mm's quality downgrade on the Sony with a Metabones IV, but I tried a Sigma and now I can't see any difference from the Canon. Sounds like adapters vary individually, since Fred commented that neither brand's results were on par with the Canon, but apparently I have a good Sigma.



I think Fred has generally found the Sigmas to be quite good.
Chris



Sep 26, 2017 at 11:34 PM
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DannyBurkPhoto wrote:
If you want to keep the Zeiss, try a Sigma adapter. I was also disappointed in the Zeiss 15mm's quality downgrade on the Sony with a Metabones IV, but I tried a Sigma and now I can't see any difference from the Canon. Sounds like adapters vary individually, since Fred commented that neither brand's results were on par with the Canon, but apparently I have a good Sigma.




Thanks for the recommendation on the Sigma adapter.

Actually the Zeiss was significantly better with the V3 than the V4 metabones but even so it wasn't quite at the level of the Sony or the leica but really we are splitting hairs here, all three are exceptionally good lenses. The drawback with the Zeiss is that it's difficult to use filters on, the Leica is easily adaptable to my Lee filter system using a custom SK Grimes adapter so that will be my goto ultra wide for filter use, it's also such a small lens compared to the other two. The Sony will be for situations requiring anything wider tha 16.



Sep 26, 2017 at 11:56 PM
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Schlotkins wrote:
I think Fred has generally found the Sigmas to be quite good.

Chris


That's what I thought (and the reason I decided to try the Sigma in the first place), but he mentioned recently that he wasn't happy with the Zeiss 15 performance with either adapter.



Sep 27, 2017 at 12:14 AM
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p.18 #20 · p.18 #20 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Things have moved on since the release of the ZEF 15/2.8 in 2012, in design terms. Its MTF is as poor in the outer frames as it is impressive in the center. And people notice the unevenness as much as the IQ in absolute terms.


Sep 27, 2017 at 04:42 AM
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