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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


The weight difference between 16-35 Sony Zeiss and GM is really negligible! Personally I feel the GM handles better.


Aug 20, 2017 at 08:27 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


The 16-35 GM for me. Just a more convenient range, especially with that 2.8 max aperture. I like that they managed to keep the bokeh quite calm. That makes it even more versatile. Not too heavy either.
Too bad the price in Europe is insanely high.



Aug 20, 2017 at 08:53 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


16-35 is a much more useful focal range than the 12-24.

However the 12-24 is an outstanding lens as well, but the 16-35 is in another level. I've been blown away by it



Aug 20, 2017 at 01:54 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I was resigned to never buying a zoom lens and only shooting primes. My widest lens was an FE 28, so I didn't really do ultra wide. I rented a Voigtlander 15 Emount for a trip to Indonesia last year. I loved it. I planned to buy one, but the verdict was really hit or miss. That kept me waiting on the Laowa 15. While waiting, the 12-24 came out. I read initial reports and decided to try it. I was sold instantly. I even like shooting at 12, which I never even considered; 15 seemed outrageous a year ago. But the whole 12 - 24 range is fun. Someone above mentioned the 16-35 being better for street, but my philosophy has always been to make whatever lens is on my camera best for the current capture. I can do street with my 135/2 and I can do street at 12 . . . it's all about mindset.



Aug 20, 2017 at 02:11 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


For me, the problem with the 16-35GM is that it's just not quite wide enough. 12mm I can do without, but I shoot a lot of architecture at 15mm and sometimes I still wish I had 14. So, if I get the 16-35GM I still need a wider prime to go with it (+weight +bulk +cost). From 24mm to 35mm+ I already have the sweet spot of the 24-70GM, so there's tons of overlap, but even if I rely on the 16-35GM for 24-35 I still need coverage above 35mm, and there's no native zoom that picks up at 35.

So, it seems like the 16-35GM is best suited for someone who is either (1) simply not in need of as much on the ultra-wide end; (2) pairing a wide zoom with select primes; (3) expecting to shoot enough entirely within the 16-35 range to justify a lens targeted right at it.

I've been waiting excitedly on the 16-35GM for a long time, and now that it's here I'm not sure I even want it. At the very least I'd need a compelling 14mm to go with it (and nothing jumps out at me).

First world crises....



Aug 20, 2017 at 02:33 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


wildwildwes wrote:
Neither. For now I'm going to live a bit longer with my 16-35 f/4. I'd originally entertained the idea of upgrading the f/4 to the f/2.8GM iteration, but then saw a size comparison. NO WAY I want to carry another big and heavy GM lens in my bag. Part of the reason I switched to mirrorless several years was to downsize my gear. Ever notice that many photographers have screwed-up backs?!? All of that said, the 16-35 f4 has done alright for me (and in some cases, it's produced magnificent images on the A7r2 platform). C'est la vie...


I thought that Roger Cicala's comparison of the 16-35 f2.8 to the f4 was not at all discouraging for the f4.



Aug 20, 2017 at 03:03 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I went with 12-24. I'm already well covered with Canon 16-35/4 IS (and still have EF 16-35/2.8LII and the much older 17-35/2.8L), 17TSE, 24TSE II, 24/2.8 IS, 35/2 IS, 21 Loxia, 35 Loxia, etc. So, I'm covered in multiple directions on the 16-35 range (not even counting my various 24-70-ish zooms).

Where I needed a boost in wide angle and low distortion is in expanding and replacing my Samyang 14/2.8 (which is gorgeous, except for the moustache distortion, which is a killer on buildings).

Now I feel most comfortable with the 12-24 and Loxia 35 & 50 to accompany for a lightweight and ergonomic little kit for general shooting with huge horsepower.

Adding another a7R2 body would probably most benefit me, having two IBIS bodies. But so far, the pairing of a7R and a7R2 has worked out well enough putting OSS/IS lenses on the a7R when I'm using one.

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Aug 20, 2017 at 03:22 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Parariss wrote:
For me, the problem with the 16-35GM is that it's just not quite wide enough. 12mm I can do without, but I shoot a lot of architecture at 15mm and sometimes I still wish I had 14. So, if I get the 16-35GM I still need a wider prime to go with it (+weight +bulk +cost). From 24mm to 35mm+ I already have the sweet spot of the 24-70GM, so there's tons of overlap, but even if I rely on the 16-35GM for 24-35 I still need coverage above 35mm, and there's no native zoom that picks up at 35.
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You need 12,14,15 than the choice is obvious. If I got the 16-35 than I have to buy back the CV 12. So its just not making sense to me.



Aug 20, 2017 at 03:23 PM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


12-24 is the first ultra wide angle I'll actually carry do to weight. Some years ago I had the Sigma and it was very sad at all focal lengths in comparison. Still adapting via MBv the EOS 24-70 for its macro function and weight. Those with the FEGM100400 make a concise do it all package and with the TCS I have 24 to 800. A Batis 18 is the current add if I think a Milky Way might present. With these lenses I'm packing the A7Rii the
Alpha 9 and an a6500 as the triumvirate.



Aug 20, 2017 at 03:57 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


seanj wrote:

I was resigned to never buying a zoom lens and only shooting primes. My widest lens was an FE 28, so I didn't really do ultra wide. I rented a Voigtlander 15 Emount for a trip to Indonesia last year. I loved it. I planned to buy one, but the verdict was really hit or miss. That kept me waiting on the Laowa 15. While waiting, the 12-24 came out. I read initial reports and decided to try it. I was sold instantly. I even like shooting at 12, which I never even considered; 15 seemed outrageous a year ago.
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The distortions in the image (most obvious to me in the buildings to the left) drive me crazy. It's not just normal perspective distortion. The type and degree of distortion varies across the frame.



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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


The question might be better asked which lens is better for the 16-24mm range which is the only range common to both lenses.


Aug 20, 2017 at 04:54 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


SoundHound wrote:
The question might be better asked which lens is better for the 16-24mm range which is the only range common to both lenses.


Not really as I'd buy the 16-35 in order to shoot right up to 35mm and I'd buy the 12-24 to shoot down to 12mm. I'm not only interested in the areas they intersect...in fact my decision is based on the areas that don't intersect and how often I would be shooting at those focal lengths and how else I can cover them.

In general for me, I'd be shooting way more in the 24-35mm range than the 12-16mm range...but that's just my preference.



Aug 20, 2017 at 05:08 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I have both and like both. I got the 12-24 first and thought it was awesome. Just got the 16-35GM two days ago and used it for two weddings. It's even better than the 12-24. I'm going to keep both. As a side note I also have the Batis 18mm for when I want to go really light. Out of all three the first one I'll grab is the GM.


Aug 20, 2017 at 05:15 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


SoundHound wrote:
The question might be better asked which lens is better for the 16-24mm range which is the only range common to both lenses.


One thing which is really pushing me towards the 16-35 GM is the crops here:
https://www.colbybrownphotography.com/review-sony-16-35-f28-gm-wide-angle-lens/

So this is the very extreme bottom left corner at 16mm f/2.8:






To me that is a pretty amazing performance, it has a real "3D look" clarity to it just a small amount in from the very edges.

I'm not in any frantic rush, though, so will wait for some more direct comparisons. He says "For those interested, I will be releasing a 3-way comparison shootout between the Sony 16-35 f/4 FE, 16-35 f/2.8 GM and 12-24 f/4 G in the next week.", so I'll wait for that, and also for Fred's comparison crops when he gets his 2nd copy.



Aug 20, 2017 at 05:20 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


pdmphoto wrote:
The distortions in the image (most obvious to me in the buildings to the left) drive me crazy. It's not just normal perspective distortion. The type and degree of distortion varies across the frame.


Well, 12mm is really, really difficult to get distortion free on full frame. And, I suspect you know this, but the distortion is much less pronounced depending on the photograph you're taking and what appears near the edges/corners. This was an unusual spur of the moment capture. But a landscape scene is most often what this lens will be capturing, and it's very good at controlling distortion. I can see it very minimally on this capture I took at 12mm attached/below. imaging-resource.com noted about one of their test images, "the subject matter is farther from the camera. We see some distortion and degradation of image quality in the corners, but again, this is very minor and isn't distracting in the image."









Aug 20, 2017 at 05:25 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I wasn't referring to normal perspective distortion. Perspective distortion is straight line angular distortion based on the position of the camera/lens to the subject. The lines in the picture referenced have varying degress degrees of pincushion/barrel distrtion across the frame.


Aug 20, 2017 at 05:46 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


pdmphoto wrote:
I wasn't referring to normal perspective distortion. Perspective distortion is straight line angular distortion based on the position of the camera/lens to the subject. The lines in the picture referenced have varying degress degrees of pincushion/barrel distrtion across the frame.


That also could be that specific sample of the lens. I ended up sending it back because it had some issues and lacked sharpness well beyond the edges in very controlled testing. My new one came yesterday. We'll see.



Aug 20, 2017 at 06:39 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I have the Loxia 21 and Zeiss 15 Canon mount.

Going to dump the Zeiss 15 and get the Laowa 15 and the 10mm Voigtlander hyper wide.



Aug 20, 2017 at 08:17 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


stevei wrote:
One thing which is really pushing me towards the 16-35 GM is the crops here:
https://www.colbybrownphotography.com/review-sony-16-35-f28-gm-wide-angle-lens/

So this is the very extreme bottom left corner at 16mm f/2.8:
https://22z0n11qmoz3ncbr3xafxk5z-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/f28.jpg

To me that is a pretty amazing performance, it has a real "3D look" clarity to it just a small amount in from the very edges.

I'm not in any frantic rush, though, so will wait for some more direct comparisons. He says "For those interested, I will be releasing a 3-way comparison shootout between the Sony 16-35 f/4 FE, 16-35 f/2.8 GM and 12-24 f/4 G in the next week.", so I'll wait for that,
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Colby's opinion vs the 12-24:

"I am actually going to have another post in a few days that has direct comparisions between all three Sony wide angle zoom lenses, but right now I can tell you that the GM is sharper at both 16mm and 24mm, but not by a ton. Personally I feel both lenses are very sharp, but the GM edges out the 12-24 in sharpness and quality of the sunstar while also allowing filters and being a stop faster."



Aug 20, 2017 at 08:59 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


If I had to choose, I'd go with the GM over the 12-24. The f2.8 and great coma performance (for astro) and the 35 f2.8 with nice bokeh option being the main reasons. As things stand, however, I probably will stick with my two Loxias and the Samyang 14 to cover that range, even if that means glass in the bag. I might consider the GM once prices have come down a bit.


Aug 21, 2017 at 08:21 AM
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