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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I have seen many of the other equipment junkies (you know who you are) on this forum seem to be waffling back and forth between buy the 12-24mm G and the 16-35mm GM.

So what is your final answer? 12-24? 16-35 GM? or both?

I am still struggling between buying Both or buying just 12-24 and replacing A7R with a second A7Ri II.

Love to hear you decision



Aug 19, 2017 at 05:18 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I went with the 12-24 and have two A7RII bodies. I like primes at 35, 50, (now) 65, and 85.


Aug 19, 2017 at 05:46 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


12-24 for me... already had the Zony 16-35


Aug 19, 2017 at 05:46 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


16-35 GM although I got the 24-70 GM. Sold the Loxia 18mm and the flexibility increased. The stop more light for churches, astro and the nice bokeh speaks for the GM. Personally I think everything under 15mm needs a really good composition. For me too wide...


Aug 19, 2017 at 05:54 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


16-35GM combines perfectly with the FE70-300 G


Aug 19, 2017 at 06:16 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


For me the 12-24mm F4. If I were doing events then I would have kept my Tamron 15-30mm 2.8 as the performance is great and the price is really good.
I will be doing a review/comparison of the 12-24, 16-35mm GM, 16-35mm F4 and Tamron 15-30mm next week. I will receive the 16-35mm GM and F4 on Monday to begin the testing on Tuesday.

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Aug 19, 2017 at 06:32 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I'm keeping both the 12-24 and 16-35 GM and the 24-70 GM. Those along with the 100-400 GM I feel I have what I need for landscapes and travel covered.

Chuck

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Aug 19, 2017 at 06:41 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


The range from 12-16 is quite specialized...at least for me whereas the range from 16-35 is a very natural range that covers street and travel photography very nicely. Right now I have the 16-35 f4 and whereas I'm interested in the 12-24...my thinking is I'll not use the 12-16 range much so I'm very hesitant.

You need to ask yourself if the 12-16 range is more useful for you or the 24-35 range.




Aug 19, 2017 at 06:49 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


chez wrote:
The range from 12-16 is quite specialized...at least for me whereas the range from 16-35 is a very natural range that covers street and travel photography very nicely. Right now I have the 16-35 f4 and whereas I'm interested in the 12-24...my thinking is I'll not use the 12-16 range much so I'm very hesitant.

You need to ask yourself if the 12-16 range is more useful for you or the 24-35 range.



12 to 16, more useful thanks 24-35? Yes.

Ide go on a limb to say 24-35 is already covered by most shooters. 12 is tough to compose, however if you develope am eye for it, it can be wonderful, the way telephotos can work really well for landscapes. I have the 77mm filter trick, which gets me 15-24 with an ND, and didn't touch the bulb element. In fact it's super fast to mount, another big nice feature



Aug 19, 2017 at 07:14 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


chez wrote:
The range from 12-16 is quite specialized...at least for me whereas the range from 16-35 is a very natural range that covers street and travel photography very nicely. Right now I have the 16-35 f4 and whereas I'm interested in the 12-24...my thinking is I'll not use the 12-16 range much so I'm very hesitant.

You need to ask yourself if the 12-16 range is more useful for you or the 24-35 range.



Chez,

This was a very difficult decision for me as well. And for now I've decided to keep both the 12-24 and 16-35 GM. The 16-35 is more my standard wide angle zoom range for both landscape and travel while the 12-24 is a specialty lens for those times that I want to try the 12-15 range. The 16-35 at f/2.8 also is better for night, astro work the occasional event work.

I can see carrying just the 16-35 with my 85 Batis for a fairly portable kit while hiking and traveling. I can also see carrying the 12-24 paired with just the 24-70 for a nice two lens walk around kit. These setups will fit nicely in my Mindshift Gear sling bag for quick access.

Chuck



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I have the 12-24 which I really like followed up with a Batis 25 and FE 35 1.4 which today is a really nice kit. But I had thoughts of selling the 12-24 for th 16-35 and also sell the Batis 25 which would get be me extra money towards the 65 which I want than I'm short on the 12/15 mm side so not sure that really buys me anything. Think I'll stay pat with the 12-24 and just add that CV 65 here soon. I'm going to sell though my A7rII for extra family money. Rent when I need it till the new body comes out. I have a nice A7RII but high mileage maybe around 80k so I'll sell it cheap, was thinking like 1850 seems fair. I'll list it soon here. I'm waffling a little on it

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Aug 19, 2017 at 07:28 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I'd been thinking of starting a similar thread myself, as I'm agonizing over the choice between the two.

Many years ago I owned both the Sigma 12-24 and the Canon 17-40/4L, using both with full frame Canon. I'm not sure if it was the focal length range, or the fact that the images from the Sigma seemed rather lacklustre, but after a while I sold the 12-24 and decided I could live with 17 as my widest focal length. Truth be told, though, I had the 24-105/4L on the camera most of the time and it was pretty rare I even felt the need to switch to the 17-40, but again that was partly because I just didn't find the 17-40 hugely inspiring in terms of optical quality.

Now my current kit with the A7RII is Batis 18, 25 and 85, Sony 50/2.8 macro, and SZ 35/2.8. I have numerous Canon lenses and a metabones adapter, but almost never feel the urge to put them on the camera. I have owned the SZ 16-35/4 in the past, but it was stolen. I rarely felt it wasn't wide enough, but I did find the image quality lacking, e.g. the Batis 25 absolutely blew it away, and that was the main thing that made me unhappy with images from the 16-35.

So historical precedent suggests I'll prefer the 16-35 to the 12-24. I've been looking at it in terms of what each lens gets you that the other doesn't:

16-35/2.8GM
- gives you 25-35/2.8
- gives you 16-24/2.8 rather than 16-24/4
- image quality at the same aperture seems to exceed that of the 12-24
- more aperture blades give better bokeh and sunstars
- better handling of the sun in or near the frame
- can use standard round filters and has a standard lens cap

12-24/4G
- cheaper
- smaller
- lighter
- gives you 12-15/4

Funnily enough, the 16-35 GM is a fairly similar size and weight to the Canon 17-40/4 + metabones, so I've had that on the camera to see how I feel about the size and weight. I think I can live with it.

From what I've seen, the 16-35 GM can 100% replace my Batis 18, other than it being bigger and heavier in situations where I'd be happy to take only the camera and Batis 18 with me. The 12-24 only gives 18/4, which is probably in practice not a huge problem for me.

The 16-35 GM can also probably allow me to sell the Batis 25. It's not as complete a replacement as it is for the Batis 18, because the Batis 25 focuses significantly closer than either zoom, as well as being faster. But I can probably live with f/2.8 rather than f/2. If I got the 12-24 I'd be tempted to keep the Batis 25, and that would wipe out the cost saving of the 12-24 over the 16-35.

So overall I'm edging towards the 16-35, but I do know that I'll occasionally want to shoot wider than 16, and that keeps nagging away at me.....



Aug 19, 2017 at 07:29 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


16-35 GM paired with 85 GM - Great portrait and landscape combo. The 12-24 is really cool, but with just 2 lenses, the 16-35 seemed more versatile.


Aug 19, 2017 at 07:29 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Good points kind of runs along my thinking. A 35 2.8 really does me no good given I have the 35 1.4 and I'm not selling that but if you did go 12-24 keep the Batis 25 for the extra speed and at 25 it's better than the zoom in the corners almost wide open. I'll use the zoom from 12-21 mostly and than go Batis for the 25 fr most things. I'm still a prime guy in this 24-35 range but the zoom would be handy. Again most of us are waffling on this decision. So everyone's point of view makes some sense. The 12-24 beats the Batis 18 just so you know that one. I say it's extremely close to the Loxia 21 too. Sunstars and flare are really the only downside on the 12-24 otherwise I have the Batis 25 to handle that stuff.

stevei wrote:
I'd been thinking of starting a similar thread myself, as I'm agonizing over the choice between the two.

Many years ago I owned both the Sigma 12-24 and the Canon 17-40/4L, using both with full frame Canon. I'm not sure if it was the focal length range, or the fact that the images from the Sigma seemed rather lacklustre, but after a while I sold the 12-24 and decided I could live with 17 as my widest focal length. Truth be told, though, I had the 24-105/4L on the camera most of the time and it was pretty rare I even
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Aug 19, 2017 at 07:37 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I was tossing up between these lenses, ended up going with the 12-24 because I scored an exceptional deal on one (brand new). Unfortunately it's a horrendous copy, right side is pathetically soft at most focal lengths even when stopped down. Going back to the store for a refund, but as the deal I got is now over it's back to the drawing board on these lenses.


Aug 20, 2017 at 01:23 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


When in doubt, get BOTH.

i got the 12-24. Very light. Compact.



Aug 20, 2017 at 02:22 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I sold my 16-35/4 and replaced it with the 12-24. Have yet to shoot anything to speak of with it, apart from centering testing, which it passed with flying colors.

I very much appreciate the compact size and relatively light weight. I also noticed how well balanced it feels on the A7rII, it feels like much of the weight is in the rear half of the lens. I realize that makes little sense, but that's how it feels to me in the hand.

I think there is an argument that 16-35 is a more useful range in many circumstances, but I'm simply not interested in travelling with the size & weight of the 16-35 GM, and my Batis 25 kind of spoiled the 16-35/4 for me, in terms of image quality. I'm more stoked about having the range from 12 -16 available than I would be about the 25 - 35 range.

So I now have the 12-24, the Batis 25, the Sony 55/1.8 and the Sony 70-200/4. That last one hasn't left the closet in a year, so not sure what it's future is.

Maybe change it out for either an 85 or a 135 . . . .

Brian



Aug 20, 2017 at 02:46 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


I would go cv 10mm & 15mm with loxia 21mm instead :P


Aug 20, 2017 at 02:51 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Alexluu627 wrote:
I would go cv 10mm & 15mm with loxia 21mm instead :P


Maybe CV 10 and Loawa 15mm, the CV 15 Lotto has not been kind to me



Aug 20, 2017 at 03:42 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Verdict: 12-24 or 16-35 GM?


Neither. For now I'm going to live a bit longer with my 16-35 f/4. I'd originally entertained the idea of upgrading the f/4 to the f/2.8GM iteration, but then saw a size comparison. NO WAY I want to carry another big and heavy GM lens in my bag. Part of the reason I switched to mirrorless several years was to downsize my gear. Ever notice that many photographers have screwed-up backs?!? All of that said, the 16-35 f4 has done alright for me (and in some cases, it's produced magnificent images on the A7r2 platform). C'est la vie...


Aug 20, 2017 at 06:59 AM
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